Dorsey’s preparation…

[eball]

Great article on the front page this morning, detailing how Dorsey spends his week during the season.  Wow.  The amount of preparation, collaboration, and attention to detail is amazing.  I love reading things like this because most fans don’t understand the effort and dedication some guys put in.  Joe 6-pack who works maybe 40 hours a week sits on his couch and critiques the play-calling.  It’s absurd.

 

Not every play works.  Not every game plan is perfect.  Players make mistakes, and other teams make great plays.  But I will never claim that Dorsey “doesn’t have a clue” or hasn’t done his homework.

 

 

Edited September 3, 2023 by eball

[Wizard]

I assume you are referencing the local paper in Buffalo.

 

What was something specific you found interesting that Dorsey does in his preparations?

 

Whether a player, head coach, or coordinator, these guys have an impressive but also insane level work ethic.

 

Let's hope the preparation leads to an even bigger jump in consistency, creativity, and maximizing all the pieces available in this offense.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

I hope his puts an end to any criticism of any play calling by Dorsey at all this year.

 

If only Josh Allen prepared this hard.

 

sigh..

[aceman_16]

48 minutes ago, eball said:

Great article on the front page this morning, detailing how Dorsey spends his week during the season.  Wow.  The amount of preparation, collaboration, and attention to detail is amazing.  I love reading things like this because most fans don’t understand the effort and dedication some guys put in.  Joe 6-pack who works maybe 40 hours a week sits on his couch and critiques the play-calling.  It’s absurd.

 

Not every play works.  Not every game plan is perfect.  Players make mistakes, and other teams make great plays.  But I will never claim that Dorsey “doesn’t have a clue” or hasn’t done his homework.

 

 

I heard, like Josh, he is lazy!!

 

 

 

 

 

Ps sarcasm

[Yobogoya!]

There’s a lot of valid criticism to level at Dorsey but facts are he called a top 3 offense as a first year play caller. Having Josh Allen at QB was certainly a boon, but I’m hopeful he’ll only get better with experience. 
 

Shame about it is if he does get better, he gonna get scooped up as a HC lightning quick. I’d prefer it if next time we look for a proven OC who’s already flamed out as a HC… less learning curve and more likely chance they stick around even after success. 

[I'm Spartacus]

7 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

I heard, like Josh, he is lazy!!

I wonder if Josh will drink a lot of beer this Labor Day weekend and lay around the pool? 🙂

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, eball said:

Great article on the front page this morning, detailing how Dorsey spends his week during the season.  Wow.  The amount of preparation, collaboration, and attention to detail is amazing.  I love reading things like this because most fans don’t understand the effort and dedication some guys put in.  Joe 6-pack who works maybe 40 hours a week sits on his couch and critiques the play-calling.  It’s absurd.

 

Not every play works.  Not every game plan is perfect.  Players make mistakes, and other teams make great plays.  But I will never claim that Dorsey “doesn’t have a clue” or hasn’t done his homework.

 

 

honestly, a large volume of work does not mean he is creating the proper output

[Chaos]

16 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

honestly, a large volume of work does not mean he is creating the proper output

The third ranked offense last season suggests that he is creating the proper output. 

[Dopey]

20 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

honestly, a large volume of work does not mean he is creating the proper output

It did last season . Only KC scored more per game than Dorsey’s offense. In his first year as OC. 

[NoSaint]

6 minutes ago, Chaos said:

The third ranked offense last season suggests that he is creating the proper output. 

he may be. I wasn’t arguing he was or wasn’t with that statement. Simply that he works a ton doesn’t mean he’s actually succeeding. The OP spent a lot of words on saying more hours means he can’t be questioned. 
 

If you want to shift the topic to measuring successes, do you think there are more than 2 other people in the league that could get more success from this group? I’d say absolutely. Which means 3rd ranked is somewhere in the passable but not elite output category. 

Edited September 3, 2023 by NoSaint

[GETTOTHE50]

Just establish a run and play action game where JA17 starts from under center. 
 

That 3rd ranked offense stuff was bc JA17 was doing everything on earth possible last year. (Hence the increase in turnovers). Please take some pressure off of him for once.

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, eball said:

Great article on the front page this morning, detailing how Dorsey spends his week during the season.  Wow.  The amount of preparation, collaboration, and attention to detail is amazing.  I love reading things like this because most fans don’t understand the effort and dedication some guys put in.  Joe 6-pack who works maybe 40 hours a week sits on his couch and critiques the play-calling.  It’s absurd.

 

Not every play works.  Not every game plan is perfect.  Players make mistakes, and other teams make great plays.  But I will never claim that Dorsey “doesn’t have a clue” or hasn’t done his homework.

 

 

Where was the article!?!?!? LOL

 

In regard to Dorsey, Tim Graham made some interesting points how he could could be set up better for success this season.

 

The fact that McDermott has taken over some defensive play calling duties takes a little pressure off Dorsey and maybe gives him a little more space/freedom - as more of McDermott’s time will be spend on defense.  
 

Every position in 2023 is stronger than 2022, which should open more possibilities and give him a stronger counterpunch.  

Dorsey will have a year’s worth of experience as OC which should help him next season.  

 

20 minutes ago, Chaos said:

The third ranked offense last season suggests that he is creating the proper output. 

Yes and no.  Numbers can be a little deceiving.  The Bills offense was largely boom or bust last season, especially toward the final few weeks.   You also saw more games where turnovers or bad drives allowed teams to crawl back into games - such as the wildcard playoff game.  
 

The good news, is I feel a lot of this was derived from the fact that the Bills had a liability at LG and RT last season, as well as some limitations with what the available weapons could do.  
 

Hopefully the new additions help take care of this.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

12 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

he may be. I wasn’t arguing he was or wasn’t with that statement. Simply that he works a ton doesn’t mean he’s actually succeeding. The OP spent a lot of words on saying more hours means he can’t be questioned. 
 

If you want to shift the topic to measuring successes, do you think there are more than 2 other people in the league that could get more success from this group? I’d say absolutely. Which means 3rd ranked is somewhere in the passable but not elite output category. 

So with this argument, Dorsey will never be elite and only stuck in passable. 

[JohnNord]

13 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Just establish a run and play action game where JA17 starts from under center. 
 

That 3rd ranked offense stuff was bc JA17 was doing everything on earth possible last year. (Hence the increase in turnovers). Please take some pressure off of him for once.

If the last preseason game is any indicator, you saw a lot of quick passes to Hardy to move the chains and an improved running game.  I think this is definitely going to be part of their game next season.  

[Drew21PA]

Maybe he can take it to the strip club where, apparently his star reciever has to be all the time.

 

or put it into a simulation for Josh to play on madden because he is lazy

[BADOLBILZ]

44 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

honestly, a large volume of work does not mean he is creating the proper output

 

 

Yeah, true.   I am sure Nate Hackett worked has azzoff to be a great HC in Denver too.   I am probably something of a Dorsey apologist to this point myself........having made liberal note last season of the fact that a 1st year OC hasn't won a SB since the 1980's.  

 

But let's be clear what this thread is about..........@eball is just ALWAYS looking for an angle to insult the Bills fan base for their "relative-results-based" analysis of players/coaches.

 

His takes were always bad but ever since he quit on his season tickets in frustration with the Pegula's when the Bills hired McDermott he's been on a mission to make up for his lack of unconditional support by attacking the average Bills fan........apparently to make up for his betrayal.  

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, eball said:

Great article on the front page this morning, detailing how Dorsey spends his week during the season.  Wow.  The amount of preparation, collaboration, and attention to detail is amazing.  I love reading things like this because most fans don’t understand the effort and dedication some guys put in.  Joe 6-pack who works maybe 40 hours a week sits on his couch and critiques the play-calling.  It’s absurd.

 

Not every play works.  Not every game plan is perfect.  Players make mistakes, and other teams make great plays.  But I will never claim that Dorsey “doesn’t have a clue” or hasn’t done his homework.

 

 

Daboll put a lot of work in too….

[Coach Tuesday]

Dorsey’s process issues appear to be in the red zone.  He should hire someone specifically to help him with red zone offense.   

[dreadlox]

This thread made me think of the sign in the Bills’ field house. I think it was a doug marrone mantra? For the record I am optimistic Dorsey will evolve this year and the offense will flourish again. And it is amazing the effort these guys put in.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

I hope his puts an end to any criticism of any play calling by Dorsey at all this year.

 

If only Josh Allen prepared this hard.

 

sigh..

Wait a minute. 

 

Maybe I have it all wrong.

 

Maybe it was Dorsey carrying Josh this whole time and not the other way around ???

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, Yobogoya! said:

There’s a lot of valid criticism to level at Dorsey but facts are he called a top 3 offense as a first year play caller. Having Josh Allen at QB was certainly a boon, but I’m hopeful he’ll only get better with experience. 
 

Shame about it is if he does get better, he gonna get scooped up as a HC lightning quick. I’d prefer it if next time we look for a proven OC who’s already flamed out as a HC… less learning curve and more likely chance they stick around even after success. 

If the Bills win a SB with. a top-3 offense and Dorsey gets a HC gig, our new OC will be Joe Brady, our QB coach,

39 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Dorsey’s process issues appear to be in the red zone.  He should hire someone specifically to help him with red zone offense.   

Agree with that.  Last year the offense made too many mistakes in the Red Zone

[Mr. WEO]

8 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Wait a minute. 

 

Maybe I have it all wrong.

 

Maybe it was Dorsey carrying Josh this whole time and not the other way around ???

 

 

Exactly!  In fact, he may be the next Nate Hackett, who had a #1 Offense in GB with some old QB.

[Shaw66]

It's in the Buffalo News, if you get it.  

 

It's a good review of the week.  Amazing workload.  

 

My reaction was that the week is about trees, and I wonder when they sit down and look at the forest.   What I mean is that the week goes like this:   Critique the plays on Sunday, review film of next opponent and develop game plan, install plan, tweak it, play the next game.   

 

The article didn't say anything about looking at the bigger picture.  For example, last season something was wrong in the red zone.  If all they do is what's described in the article, they're just correcting the plays they called last week and picking some plays for next week based on what they see in the defense.   Where's the big-picture scouting of the Bills' red zone philosophy?  How do defenses know how to stuff the red zone plays?   I can't believe that they wait until the off-season to think about that problem.   I mean, at some point McDermott must be looking Dorsey in the eye and asking for something more than "do better."   

 

I suppose that's part of the process, but it's not described anywhere in the article.  I hope so, because it's not enough to be looking at the trees all day, or worse yet, the leaves.  

 

[DJB]

All that preparing by Dorsey and Josh doesn’t review film

 

What a waste I tells ya!!! 

[Freddie's Dead]

2 hours ago, Yobogoya! said:

Shame about it is if he does get better, he gonna get scooped up as a HC lightning quick. I’d prefer it if next time we look for a proven OC who’s already flamed out as a HC… less learning curve and more likely chance they stick around even after success. 

 

So like the Jest with Nate Hackett....

Edited September 3, 2023 by Freddie's Dead

[starrymessenger]

Well maybe he should cut back on his workload. I mean is it bigger than other OC's? The guy whose workload concerns me is McD.

[SCBills]

Using our offensive ranking from last year is incredibly misleading. 
 

Anyone can tell there was a difference between the first half and last half of the season once teams started noticing tendencies, strengths and weaknesses. 
 

Now, it also needs to be emphasized that Allen played the last half of the season with an injury to his throwing elbow, the OL was a disaster and we had one of the worst WR rooms ever assembled for a contender when factoring in Gabe Davis being hobbled most of the season. 
 

I expect this offense to be elite this year and with the ability to hit teams in different ways via the passing game, with a run game that they can reasonably turn to.  
 

The OL should be, at least, adequate in Year 2 of Kromer and with the additions to our IOL.   Allen has recovered from the UCL injury.  The weapons are vastly improved with Davis now healthy, the addition of Kincaid and non-McKenzie WR3’s.  

[JohnNord]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Using our offensive ranking from last year is incredibly misleading. 
 

Anyone can tell there was a difference between the first half and last half of the season once teams started noticing tendencies, strengths and weaknesses. 
 

Now, it also needs to be emphasized that Allen played the last half of the season with an injury to his throwing elbow, the OL was a disaster and we had one of the worst WR rooms ever assembled for a contender when factoring in Gabe Davis being hobbled most of the season. 
 

I expect this offense to be elite this year and with the ability to hit teams in different ways via the passing game, with a run game that they can reasonably turn to.  
 

The OL should be, at least, adequate in Year 2 of Kromer and with the additions to our IOL.   Allen has recovered from the UCL injury.  The weapons are vastly improved with Davis now healthy, the addition of Kincaid and non-McKenzie WR3’s.  

IMO it was a talent issue.  It was Allen throwing deep, or to Allen-to-Diggs and really nothing else.  
 

The biggest problem was the OL.  The pass protection was so poor that Josh had no trust they could do the job.  He was so used to scrambling for his life, he’d bail on pockets that he didn’t need to.  
 

Complimenting a poor OL was a lack of any kind of running game.  Even with light boxes, the OL could barely move anyone.

 

Then it was a talent issue at WR.  This year the starting slot WR - Isaiah McKenzie might not even make the roster in this years WR room.  
 

Hoping the new weapons and experience give Dorsey more answers

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah, true.   I am sure Nate Hackett worked has azzoff to be a great HC in Denver too.   I am probably something of a Dorsey apologist to this point myself........having made liberal note last season of the fact that a 1st year OC hasn't won a SB since the 1980's.  

 

But let's be clear what this thread is about..........@eball is just ALWAYS looking for an angle to insult the Bills fan base for their "relative-results-based" analysis of players/coaches.

 

His takes were always bad but ever since he quit on his season tickets in frustration with the Pegula's when the Bills hired McDermott he's been on a mission to make up for his lack of unconditional support by attacking the average Bills fan........apparently to make up for his betrayal.  

yea, I am not sure what Dorsey’s arc will end up being. Having such a talented qb hides a lot of flaws and gives some extra rope. we will see what he does with it. 
 

while I like consistency of the in house hire, you also have to wonder a little if that’s truly the best available guy. I have both concerns about a few red flags admittedly but also high hopes

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Dorsey’s process issues appear to be in the red zone.  He should hire someone specifically to help him with red zone offense.   

Agree with that.  Last year the offense made too many mistakes in the Red Zone

I really want the Bills to go to a Dink-and-Dunk offense that protects the ball.  I want the Bills to play the way they did against NE in the playoffs two seasons ago.  Our defense is weak and the Bills offense needs to stay on the field to keep the defense off the field.  Go Bills!

[NickelCity]

We'll live or die by the OLine. Brown (or Ifedi) is going to have to pan out at RT.

[ganesh]

One of the articles on NFL.com says gives one of the reasons the Chiefs have hosted five straight AFC Championship games...their defense has never been top 10, but come playoffs, they get turnovers and shorten the field for their talented offense.   Our defense has always come up short...They need to play their best in the playoffs...Being a Top-3 defense in the regular season doesn't mean a squat in the playoffs.

[Ga boy]

4 hours ago, Wizard said:

I assume you are referencing the local paper in Buffalo.

 

What was something specific you found interesting that Dorsey does in his preparations?

 

Whether a player, head coach, or coordinator, these guys have an impressive but also insane level work ethic.

 

Let's hope the preparation leads to an even bigger jump in consistency, creativity, and maximizing all the pieces available in this offense.

 

 

Besides just X’s and O’s, I hope he uses other letters. 

[Punching Bag]

5 hours ago, eball said:

Great article on the front page this morning, detailing how Dorsey spends his week during the season.  Wow.  The amount of preparation, collaboration, and attention to detail is amazing.  I love reading things like this because most fans don’t understand the effort and dedication some guys put in.  Joe 6-pack who works maybe 40 hours a week sits on his couch and critiques the play-calling.  It’s absurd.

 

Not every play works.  Not every game plan is perfect.  Players make mistakes, and other teams make great plays.  But I will never claim that Dorsey “doesn’t have a clue” or hasn’t done his homework.

 

People who claim Dorsey does not have a clue don't have a clue except which end of beer can to open.

[Bangarang]

This is probably a typical week amongst all coaches and coordinators in the NFL.

 

ESPN had a similar article many years ago detailing the week of John Harbaugh, who spent nights sleeping in his office. Being an NFL coach is such a ridiculous grind.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/10012376/baltimore-ravens-head-coach-john-harbaugh-clocks-long-hours-prep-game-day-espn-magazine

 

Edited September 3, 2023 by Bangarang

[Sierra Foothills]

 

4 hours ago, JohnNord said:

If the last preseason game is any indicator, you saw a lot of quick passes to Hardy to move the chains and an improved running game.  I think this is definitely going to be part of their game next season.  

 

One can only hope...

 

5 hours ago, Wizard said:

I assume you are referencing the local paper in Buffalo.

 

What was something specific you found interesting that Dorsey does in his preparations?

 

Whether a player, head coach, or coordinator, these guys have an impressive but also insane level work ethic.

 

Let's hope the preparation leads to an even bigger jump in consistency, creativity, and maximizing all the pieces available in this offense.

 

2 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

Well maybe he should cut back on his workload. I mean is it bigger than other OC's? The guy whose workload concerns me is McD.

 

If you have a subscription, here's the link:

 

 

Yes, the only thing that jumped out of the article for me was this:

 

“If you get to game day and haven’t slept, you’re no good to anybody.”

 

There's definitely a point of diminishing returns as far as all the hours that these coaches put in. At some point it's counter-productive.

 

[k2mountain]

My intuition tells me that Rex Ryan didn't work to the level of other coaches.

[GoBills808]

5 hours ago, Chaos said:

The third ranked offense last season suggests that he is creating the proper output. 

Second ranked

[Buffalo716]

7 hours ago, eball said:

Great article on the front page this morning, detailing how Dorsey spends his week during the season.  Wow.  The amount of preparation, collaboration, and attention to detail is amazing.  I love reading things like this because most fans don’t understand the effort and dedication some guys put in.  Joe 6-pack who works maybe 40 hours a week sits on his couch and critiques the play-calling.  It’s absurd.

 

Not every play works.  Not every game plan is perfect.  Players make mistakes, and other teams make great plays.  But I will never claim that Dorsey “doesn’t have a clue” or hasn’t done his homework.

 

 

You could Say the same about Leslie Frazier and David culley and 99.99% of pro coaches 

 

They all put in massive amounts of work and study 

55 minutes ago, k2mountain said:

My intuition tells me that Rex Ryan didn't work to the level of other coaches.

Rex innovated a defense that people tried to copy around the league for 15 years

 

Had immense success as the best defensive coordinator in football and went to two AFC championships as a head coach ... Beat belichick and Brady in the playoffs 

 

He definitely did not have a bad work ethic for the majority of his career ... Maybe skinny rex mailed it in

 

He certainly didn't for 20 years

Edited September 3, 2023 by Buffalo716

[ToGoGo]

2 hours ago, ganesh said:

One of the articles on NFL.com says gives one of the reasons the Chiefs have hosted five straight AFC Championship games...their defense has never been top 10, but come playoffs, they get turnovers and shorten the field for their talented offense.   Our defense has always come up short...They need to play their best in the playoffs...Being a Top-3 defense in the regular season doesn't mean a squat in the playoffs.

The defense showed up against the Ravens and won us that game. They should be keeping the rest of the games close for the offense. 
 

But I agree, defense cost us both Chiefs games and partly the Bengals game. A better performance and Allen pulls those games out.