Has anyone checked on Louis Riddick? (Trey Lance news...)

[wppete]

9 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

The only way a team with an established starting QB would be interested is if he renegotiated & got rid of the guarantees & roster bonuses.  That's not happening, at least not in Buffalo.  

I agree. And no team that needs a starter would trade for a 3rd stringer. Only option I see is 49ers cut him, he clears waivers and signs a small short term contract. 

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Which begs the question, why would he give up guarantees to go anywhere?  🤷‍♂️

 

He wouldn't.  SF is caught holding the bag on a rookie contract and they will eat a bunch of it if they want to trade him.

[wppete]

This is depressing if I was a 49ers fan 😢 

Can you imagine Micah Parsons on the other edge from Nick Bosa?!?! Scary thought! 

 

 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Blank Stare said:

Would love him as QB2. Very similar skill set to Josh. Not saying he’s Josh or as good as Josh. Josh is a unicorn. That said, Lance could benefit a lot from being his understudy. 
 

That said, I see some other QB starved or uncertain organization taking a swing before Beane does. A team like the Vikings makes a lot of sense. Sit a year behind Cousins. Could be wrong, but I think Lance may even be from Minnesota. 

There are multiple teams that would actually part with a decent pick for a lotto ticket QB.

 

The Bills are not one of them.

[dpberr]

49ers would be smart to either trade him to a team that would play him *this* season, or work out a deal/arrangement to have Lance get playing time in the XFL/USFL/CFL. 

 

Lance is exactly the kind of player that would benefit from a full season of "minor league" professional football experience where he's the guy, for better or terrible.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by dpberr

[FilthyBeast]

Remember when a lot of talking heads were saying that Lance was going to be the next JA17 and even better in some cases.

 

Just goes to show that all these boom or bust prospects are truly just that, but in Lance case this dude definitely one of the biggest busts of all time considering the circumstances and if not for the 49ers being a serious contender in recent years folks would be out of a job for sure.

[Albany,n.y.]

4 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Remember when a lot of talking heads were saying that Lance was going to be the next JA17 and even better in some cases.

 

Just goes to show that all these boom or bust prospects are truly just that, but in Lance case this dude definitely one of the biggest busts of all time considering the circumstances and if not for the 49ers being a serious contender in recent years folks would be out of a job for sure.

I remember Josh doing the commercial before the draft where he told Lance not to listen to the critics.  

There was, is, & will be only one Josh Allen.  

[Breakout Squad]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

 

I’d take him. What would he cost? I’d like to have a younger QB as a back up and they could develop him. I’m not sure Lance in good, but he didn’t have much of a chance. Sat behind Garropolo and then broke his ankle. 

18 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Remember when a lot of talking heads were saying that Lance was going to be the next JA17 and even better in some cases.

 

Just goes to show that all these boom or bust prospects are truly just that, but in Lance case this dude definitely one of the biggest busts of all time considering the circumstances and if not for the 49ers being a serious contender in recent years folks would be out of a job for sure.

He isn’t a bust yet IMO. He needs a chance in a new place. 

Edited August 23, 2023 by Breakout Squad

[machine gun kelly]

2 hours ago, eball said:

Last August Louis Riddick of ESPN said Trey Lance "is my long shot for MVP," "has the ability to take the league by storm," and "could have an All-Pro, legendary type of career."

 

Trey Lance is now 3rd string on the 49ers behind Mr. Irrelevant and Sam Darnold.

 

 

Shocker!  An ESPN analyst who is so far out there it’s laughable.

 

Not directed towards you eman as you’re a friend.  My sarcasm is towards that ars clown of a network.  They replaced years ago analysis with click bait hot takes.

[BuffaloBillyG]

I know there are many here that don't like him...but this is as one user points out....oddly specific.

 

 

[maddenboy]

so the speculation should be this:  After he gets cut, where is he (and his agent) likely to decide is the best spot for him.

 

it seems like he will view himself like Mitch Trubisky.  "i am a starter.  I just need a fresh start and a place to learn"

 

so, the only teams that would trade for him and that contract are teams Lance would never choose to go to. 

 

Cardinals would be smart to offer something.  (irrelevant division rival).   But first, Cardinals should back-channel to recruit Lance.  "chance to start games early in the season, and chance to 'stick it to' 49ers twice per year. 

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by maddenboy

[Chaos]

7 minutes ago, maddenboy said:

so the speculation should be this:  After he gets cut, where is he (and his agent) likely to decide is the best spot for him.

 

it seems like he will view himself like Mitch Trubisky.  "i am a starter.  I just need a fresh start and a place to learn"

 

so, the only teams that would trade for him and that contract are teams Lance would never choose to go to. 

 

Cardinals would be smart to offer something.  (irrelevant division rival).   But first, Cardinals should back-channel to recruit Lance.  "chance to start games early in the season, and chance to 'stick it to' 49ers twice per year. 

 

Why do you hate the Cardinals' Fans so much. Imagine having to have Murray and Lance on your team.  Ugh. 

[maddenboy]

5 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Why do you hate the Cardinals' Fans so much. Imagine having to have Murray and Lance on your team.  Ugh. 

cardinals should leak their interest.  As a bone to the fans (look at us trying).   Lance wont go there because Cards have too much money tied up at QB, and because 1 week of preseason is not enuf to be able to start in Kyler's absence.

The cardinals are drafting a QB first overall next year.    Which is why Lance could actually start games at the beginning of Next season.  and since the rookie will get lots of preseason reps next year, Lance can learn the offense as understudy this year.  And start 3-4 games next year before the rookie takes over.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Purdy won't last 5 games as a starter this year.  He got lucky last year.  Now the NFL has tape on him. They will be calling for Lance before November.  

[Blank Stare]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

There are multiple teams that would actually part with a decent pick for a lotto ticket QB.

 

The Bills are not one of them.

Agreed that there is a list of teams I’d think would be (should be) more interested than the Bills. A few of them named within this thread. I think he’d be the perfect backup to Josh, but unlikely Beane parts with the necessary resources to land him. 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

Its a rookie contract. 

 

 

@wppete still logs in on June 1st to see all the big names get cut.

[zevo]

3 hours ago, Beast said:

To be honest, Josh Allen has a lot of people believing that success is now a shoe-in for these big, raw, athletic QB’s. 
 

Before Josh Allen, they were projects.

💯 the Richardson hype has reach next level. I do love the prospect but man it’s wild.

[Dr.Sack]

If I’m a team like the Rams or Patriots I make some sort of trade. A 3rd rounder seems fair. 

[DCofNC]

5 hours ago, Chaos said:

Its a rookie contract. 

For the 3rd overall pick, it ain’t cheap.

The 9ers would owe more on the cap to get rid of him than keep him.  Unless he’s a distraction, look for him to stay right where he  is until after the season or when they get decent compensation for him.

[BillsfaninSB]

48 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

If I’m a team like the Rams or Patriots I make some sort of trade. A 3rd rounder seems fair. 

My first reaction was Patriots as well.

[BillsShredder83]

3 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Shocker!  An ESPN analyst who is so far out there it’s laughable.

 

Not directed towards you eman as you’re a friend.  My sarcasm is towards that ars clown of a network.  They replaced years ago analysis with click bait hot takes.

Riddick has had legit looks at him as a GM.  ESPN sucks, but hes one of the good guys

[BillsfaninSB]

5 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

 

This is shocking to see it in black and white.  But not all his fault.  Covid and a big injury derailed a lot of this.

 

Still, 49ers were crazy to do what they did. 

[Captain Hindsight]

6 hours ago, Process said:

Not even close to the biggest bust ever because everyone knew he had high bust potential when he was drafted. But maybe the worst draft move of all time. 

 

3 first round picks and a third round pick for a guy who played like 5 football games ever prior to the draft. 

I understood the talent, but it was a big gamble. I think Josh Allen destroying the 49ers in MNF convinced Lynch and Shanny to take a big swing at QB. 
 

Right idea, they just whiffed 

[LeGOATski]

6 hours ago, Beast said:

To be honest, Josh Allen has a lot of people believing that success is now a shoe-in for these big, raw, athletic QB’s. 
 

Before Josh Allen, they were projects.

This is the biggest myth people regurgitate here. Since the dawn of time NFL teams have sought after the big, athletic, rocket armed QB. Josh is like millionth iteration of that prototype QB. And there have been so many busts just like Trey Lance. Josh changed nothing in this regard. 

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

This is the biggest myth people regurgitate here. Since the dawn of time NFL teams have sought after the big, athletic, rocket armed QB. Josh is like millionth iteration of that prototype QB. And there have been so many busts just like Trey Lance. Josh changed nothing in this regard. 

They've been drafting guys like Josh Allen for 80 years 

 

Josh is one of the few that actually panned out to super stardom status... It's always been the prototype

 

Big strong cannon arm and can run? Sign me up says GMs

 

They always think they could fix the flaws with coaching

[LeGOATski]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

They've been drafting guys like Josh Allen for 80 years 

 

Josh is one of the few that actually panned out to super stardom status... It's always been the prototype

 

Big strong cannon arm and can run? Sign me up says GMs

 

They always think they could fix the flaws with coaching

Yep, idk why Bills fans think Josh was something new. 

[Simon Says]

6 hours ago, wppete said:

If I was Beane I would explore the possibility of Tre Lance if he can rework that insane deal. No one will trade for him with that contract. 

Have you actually looked at the numbers? The salary is only like 1 million each year, 2023 and 24. SF is responsible for the huge signing bonus ( 20,22 million?) Not the team that trades for him 

6 hours ago, wppete said:

3 pick overall. 4 year $34 million contract for a 2nd or 3rd string QB is absolutely insane.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/trey-lance-72382/

 

 

You don't seem to understand the bonus payment has already occurred. 

[Simon Says]

5 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Which begs the question, why would he give up guarantees to go anywhere?  🤷‍♂️

Didn't he already receive a signing bonus of about 22 million? There is a total of about 10 million remaining( salary plus roster bonuses)for the last 2 years; 2023 and 24. 

[Simon Says]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

For the 3rd overall pick, it ain’t cheap.

The 9ers would owe more on the cap to get rid of him than keep him.  Unless he’s a distraction, look for him to stay right where he  is until after the season or when they get decent compensation for him.

I think 22 million of a total contract value of 34 was paid as a signing  bonus. They way I understand it,a team acquiring him would be on the hook for a total of about 11,12 million over the remaining 2 years of the contract. The salary is negligible ( 1 million each year)but the roster bonuses could be somewhat costly)

[ticketssince61]

Why would we trade a draft pick for a young, unproven, untested QB who would come in right before the season and be totally unfamiliar with the playbook.

 

That draft pick we give up could be a MLB or OT

 

They don't look good, but bottom line is we are most likely going w/ Barkley and Kyle Allen as our backup QB's

 

 

 

[BUFFALOTONE]

7 hours ago, eball said:

Last August Louis Riddick of ESPN said Trey Lance "is my long shot for MVP," "has the ability to take the league by storm," and "could have an All-Pro, legendary type of career."

 

Trey Lance is now 3rd string on the 49ers behind Mr. Irrelevant and Sam Darnold.

 

 

He’s made alot of bonehead boasts hence why he can’t get a serious look at a front office job. 

[Dan Darragh]

6 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Lance can't be any worse than what the Bills currently have.

That's a pretty rich statement coming from any Bills fan.  What proof do we have that he's any better than <<INSERT NAME HERE FROM LIST BELOW>>?

• Nathan Peterman
• Jeff Tuel
• AJ McCarron
• Kevin Kolb
• Tyrod Taylor
• EJ Manuel
• and a whole host of others

 

[DapperCam]

It’s too bad the NFL doesn’t have an AHL equivalent to develop raw players. There should be football farm teams. 

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

Remember when a lot of talking heads were saying that Lance was going to be the next JA17 and even better in some cases.

 

Just goes to show that all these boom or bust prospects are truly just that, but in Lance case this dude definitely one of the biggest busts of all time considering the circumstances and if not for the 49ers being a serious contender in recent years folks would be out of a job for sure.

They never gave him the chance to grow and injuries didn't help.  They were a win now team drafting a project QB who needed a lot of reps.  It was a dumb trade up but they should've went with Mac Jones once they did.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, DapperCam said:

It’s too bad the NFL doesn’t have an AHL equivalent to develop raw players. There should be football farm teams. 

That's called division 1 football... Hockey players and soccer players and tennis players are playing pro at 18... Some professional hockey and soccer players are playing overseas at 16

 

Every single player in the NFL is at least 3 years removed from HS .... Every single one without exception

 

You get five years with a red shirt of top notch strength conditioning and nutrition... These kids bodies change drastically from 18 to 23

 

That's the minor league system

 

If you need more seasoning you go to Canada... Or the feeder league

 

The NCAA has been pumping out ready-made guys for 90 years

[NoSaint]

18 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

They never gave him the chance to grow and injuries didn't help.  They were a win now team drafting a project QB who needed a lot of reps.  It was a dumb trade up but they should've went with Mac Jones once they did.

the real issue is the niners are probably the best spot in the league for a young qb to get high quality reps without tanking the season. 
 

I haven’t seen the guy play much, for obvious reasons, but it’s unfortunate how his shot played out. Now he will burn through 3 systems in 3 years bouncing around the league as a backup fighting to start on terrible teams, right?

[RyanC883]

29 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

It’s too bad the NFL doesn’t have an AHL equivalent to develop raw players. There should be football farm teams. 

 USFL. 

[Doc Brown]

12 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

the real issue is the niners are probably the best spot in the league for a young qb to get high quality reps without tanking the season. 
 

I haven’t seen the guy play much, for obvious reasons, but it’s unfortunate how his shot played out. Now he will burn through 3 systems in 3 years bouncing around the league as a backup fighting to start on terrible teams, right?

A team like the Vikings would be smart to trade for him as they have a solid foundation in place especially on offense.  Let him learn behind Cousins for a year like Mahomes did behind Alex Smith.

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, Herb Nightly said:

Have you actually looked at the numbers? The salary is only like 1 million each year, 2023 and 24. SF is responsible for the huge signing bonus ( 20,22 million?) Not the team that trades for him 

You don't seem to understand the bonus payment has already occurred. 

You're missing those roster bonuses-those are the killers in the contract.  Take a look at the attachment earlier in this thread that shows how much money he's owed the next 2 years & get back to us.  

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

A team like the Vikings would be smart to trade for him as they have a solid foundation in place especially on offense.  Let him learn behind Cousins for a year like Mahomes did behind Alex Smith.

Then what?  Pay him his big roster bonus next year & accept his 5th year option without seeing him play?  The guy has no future with his present contract.  The best chance he has to succeed is being released by SF & signing a team friendly 2-3 year deal as a free agent.  

[Doc Brown]

6 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Then what?  Pay him his big roster bonus next year & accept his 5th year option without seeing him play?  The guy has no future with his present contract.  The best chance he has to succeed is being released by SF & signing a team friendly 2-3 year deal as a free agent.  

Give him a similar contract the Packers just gave Jordan Love.