Thurman#1 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Fabulous news. They're reporting he took less. If so, that's really unusual for a guy at his stage. Over 5 years he's made about $14M. Guys aren't usually giving discounts to new teams at that stage of their financial lives. Excellent. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 22 hours ago, Shaw66 said: Give Beane a raise. Adding a starter-level DT? How great is that? Keep adding talent all around the defense and I could play MLB. when can you take the physical? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 12 hours ago, HappyDays said: Probably not going to get that this year. The scouting report on Dorian Williams reads like a poor man's version of Edmunds - sideline to sideline range, but slow to process. Dodson isn't much of a processor. Bernard didn't looked he belonged on the field at all last year. I can't help but come back to Milano as the only guy on the roster that makes sense as a MLB. Beane shut the idea down early in the offseason, but maybe they've changed their tune after seeing how FA and the draft went? Maybe the idea is get some big bodies in front of Milano so he won't get steamrolled and let his processing be enough to make up for his size. I can stomach the idea of Dorian Williams or even Bernard as the will. I just can't think of any other LB combination that makes sense. So then why not just put Milano at MLB? If Bernard is supposedly a Milano clone, but not nearly as developed, wouldn't it make sense to put the better player at the more important position? I think Beane and McDermott are happy enough with all the options. I do believe that camp will sort all this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Maybe this is the best hope for both instinctive and athletic enough Look good in preseason last year. Nice to see someone else talking about Baylon Spector. I thought he looked real good last preseason also. Kid comes out of a program (Clemson) that always plays good defense. Did not look overmatched on the field. Dare I say he reminded me some of Zach Thomas. I think he is the darkhouse to be our starting MLB. 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 23 hours ago, JohnNord said: I was told by Brandon Beane that Ed Oliver does great things that don’t show up on the stat sheet Or on the field. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mynamemike Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 50 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Nice to see someone else talking about Baylon Spector. I thought he looked real good last preseason also. Kid comes out of a program (Clemson) that always plays good defense. Did not look overmatched on the field. Dare I say he reminded me some of Zach Thomas. I think he is the darkhouse to be our starting MLB. People were definitely high on him after last preseason. I agree I think the staff has him as their man in the middle as well. I don’t think Bernard is anything more than Milanos backup and special teamer but who knows. Excited to see the battle during camp play out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Nice to see someone else talking about Baylon Spector. I thought he looked real good last preseason also. Kid comes out of a program (Clemson) that always plays good defense. Did not look overmatched on the field. Dare I say he reminded me some of Zach Thomas. I think he is the darkhouse to be our starting MLB. Same here. He gets my vote to start the season. Dodson has been ok on occasion but his game vs the Vikings really rubbed me the wrong way. One game, without starters reps- I get it. He’s just not ideal. Spector might not be either, but I think he has the makings of what could be the mike version of Milano. If he and Dorian become players- we have the making of a low budget kuechly, Davis, Thompson. Instead of using THREE 1st rd picks, they’d have invested a 4th, 3rd and 7th. I couldn’t be happier that McB isn’t investing 1st and 2nd round high draft picks on LBers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 19 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Surely the end for Tim Settle? Poona and Daquan as the 1T, Ed and Big Phil at 3T. But still 0 DTs signed beyond 2023. Hmm it could be his end but it makes no sense to cut him. Only way to save something is to trade him, and that still leaves us with $3M total dead cap. But I guess he could have at least some trade value - conditional 6th? 21 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Tim Settle or Phillips would be an easy cut. Currently only Oliver and Jones would cause cap issues Easy cut? Right now his cap hit is higher if we cut him. Post 1 June we may save something but its negligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 minute ago, No_Matter_What said: Hmm it could be his end but it makes no sense to cut him. Only way to save something is to trade him, and that still leaves us with $3M total dead cap. But I guess he could have at least some trade value - conditional 6th? The sense it makes is he was not very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 23 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: *whispers....now we can trade Ed Oliver to make room for Hopkins* Poona will be lined up next to Oliver, (rotating with DJones) not in place of Oliver. Oliver is a 3Tech and rotates with Settle and Phillips) Please pay attention to the details before you post. Having said that, if one believes in either Settle's ability or Phillips ability to stay on the dam- field, now there is an argument for dumping Oliver's $10m hit for sure. Personally, would roll those dice if it means D Hop for the offense. Beane is shrewd though, he may wait out the D Hop thing all the way to camp. Drafting Kincaid sent a message to his camp that we really don't need-need D Hop. In Beane I trust. He seems to play the negotiating leverage game as well as anyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 37 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The sense it makes is he was not very good. Haha maybe but Beane still restructured him so he is borderline uncuttable now. But maybe he'll really find a trade partner if he's odd man out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 They all call him, "Poona" 'Cause no one really knows his name (it's Kaylon FYI) He works the D-Line Dancin' and a clubbin is his trade his mama was Mez'can And his daddy was the ace of spades. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Im ecstatic over the signing. Ford is a powerful man. He excelled in the 4-3 and took a step back in the 3-4 as he is a great run stuffer and has improved significantly as a penetrator. He could either be a 5th DT or a swap (I know unlikely) with AZ for D. Hop. No draft picks as they already have a ton in AZ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 On 5/2/2023 at 2:05 PM, Dablitzkrieg said: I smell some poona Then stop putting your fingers to your nose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 7 hours ago, Mynamemike said: People were definitely high on him after last preseason. I agree I think the staff has him as their man in the middle as well. I don’t think Bernard is anything more than Milanos backup and special teamer but who knows. Excited to see the battle during camp play out. If that is the case, then we made a poor 3rd round choice. SB teams need to make their draft count, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, ganesh said: If that is the case, then we made a poor 3rd round choice. SB teams need to make their draft count, Another way to look at it could be our linebacker room for the next few years is mainly: Milano Williams Bernard Spector Matakevich as Special Teams for however long they want to keep him around and AJ Klein/Tyrel Dodson as guys who may or may not be around. As someone who doesn’t think we should be investing heavy at linebacker around Milano… if those 3 can hold it down, 1 at MLB and the other 2 as depth, for the next 3 years of rookie contracts… I don’t hate it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 4 hours ago, ganesh said: If that is the case, then we made a poor 3rd round choice. SB teams need to make their draft count, I've considered it a poor pick since it was made. They love throwing 2-3 mid-level players at a position and seeing who stinks the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 11 hours ago, ProcessTruster said: Poona will be lined up next to Oliver, (rotating with DJones) not in place of Oliver. Oliver is a 3Tech and rotates with Settle and Phillips) Please pay attention to the details before you post. Having said that, if one believes in either Settle's ability or Phillips ability to stay on the dam- field, now there is an argument for dumping Oliver's $10m hit for sure. Personally, would roll those dice if it means D Hop for the offense. Beane is shrewd though, he may wait out the D Hop thing all the way to camp. Drafting Kincaid sent a message to his camp that we really don't need-need D Hop. In Beane I trust. He seems to play the negotiating leverage game as well as anyone. I think Matt Ioannidis would give us a nice rotational 3T if we were able to trade Oliver. Now the question comes down to compensation also. $10 million in cap minus whatever his replacement costs, so let’s say $8 million in savings plus a 4th round pick maybe? I’m not sure Oliver had much more value than a 4th on the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 51 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I think Matt Ioannidis would give us a nice rotational 3T if we were able to trade Oliver. Now the question comes down to compensation also. $10 million in cap minus whatever his replacement costs, so let’s say $8 million in savings plus a 4th round pick maybe? I’m not sure Oliver had much more value than a 4th on the market. A 5th would be my guess as best offer. And I would take it and get the 10m cap back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 11 hours ago, Behindenemylines said: Then stop putting your fingers to your nose I remember Stuttering John walking up to Alex Baldwin, and he asked Alex(stuttering all the way) “So you are married to Kim Bassinger? Can I smell your fingers?” Lmao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam727 Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 21 hours ago, mjt328 said: Trading Ed Oliver gets us extra cap space for 2023. Probably not quite that much, since you also need to spend something to sign a decent replacement. Assuming there is still anyone out there on the market. If you are worried about re-signing Micah Hyde in 2024, then just don't give Oliver a long-term extension. If he walks in free agency, then we have that extra cap space available next year regardless. Looking to the future is great. But at some point, you do need to think about fielding the best team today. We already have a huge question mark in the middle of our defense at linebacker. Do we really want to downgrade our D-Line too, just for some extra cap space? All good points. The reason I would be willing to downgrade the Dline this year is that according to Spotrac, the Bills are really far over the cap next year already and they have several high priced free agents to worry about. In my opinion, a DT rotation of Ford/Jones/Phillips/Settle/5th guy signed for Vet min is solid. Ford essentially takes Oliver's roster spot. With the state of the Bills cap next year, the high likelihood Oliver won't be able to be re-signed next year, his salary, and the % of snaps he is likely to play with the Bills' heavy emphasis on D-line rotation, his contract seems like a poor value to me even though I really like him as a player and I would rather see that money rolled forward into next year. I don't think it's likely to happen, that's just what I would do. I do agree our situation at MLB makes DT even more important and understand why Oliver will probably be on the team one more year. Which isn't the worst thing given that he is probably our second best player on the D-line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Adam727 said: All good points. The reason I would be willing to downgrade the Dline this year is that according to Spotrac, the Bills are really far over the cap next year already and they have several high priced free agents to worry about. In my opinion, a DT rotation of Ford/Jones/Phillips/Settle/5th guy signed for Vet min is solid. Ford essentially takes Oliver's roster spot. With the state of the Bills cap next year, the high likelihood Oliver won't be able to be re-signed next year, his salary, and the % of snaps he is likely to play with the Bills' heavy emphasis on D-line rotation, his contract seems like a poor value to me even though I really like him as a player and I would rather see that money rolled forward into next year. I don't think it's likely to happen, that's just what I would do. I do agree our situation at MLB makes DT even more important and understand why Oliver will probably be on the team one more year. Which isn't the worst thing given that he is probably our second best player on the D-line. Adam, look at it this way, if the Bills were willing to let Edmunds (defensive QB and captain) walk this offseason, think about how much easier of a decision that’s going to be with Oliver next year. IMO, he’s as good as gone. Now the interesting question will be to watch how he plays this year. Will he be going all out to increase his value elsewhere or will he mail it in knowing he’ll be a cap casualty. We’re all going to find out together. Welcome to the big contract franchise QB era of Bills history. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 18 hours ago, ProcessTruster said: Poona will be lined up next to Oliver, (rotating with DJones) not in place of Oliver. Oliver is a 3Tech and rotates with Settle and Phillips) Please pay attention to the details before you post. Having said that, if one believes in either Settle's ability or Phillips ability to stay on the dam- field, now there is an argument for dumping Oliver's $10m hit for sure. Personally, would roll those dice if it means D Hop for the offense. Beane is shrewd though, he may wait out the D Hop thing all the way to camp. Drafting Kincaid sent a message to his camp that we really don't need-need D Hop. In Beane I trust. He seems to play the negotiating leverage game as well as anyone. From what I'm hearing, Poona is more of a 3Tech than 1Tech. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: From what I'm hearing, Poona is more of a 3Tech than 1Tech. He’s definitely a 1 who can play 3. I’m talking about how great of a team player Poona is - Pete Carroll addressed how he’s better playing nose tackle over the ball, but they had to play him out of position last year. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, SCBills said: He’s definitely a 1 who can play 3. I’m talking about how great of a team player Poona is - Pete Carroll addressed how he’s better playing nose tackle over the ball, but they had to play him out of position last year. Sal was talking about this yesterday. I was under the impression all along he was a 1 but he was saying he's more of a penetrator. I'm hoping he plays 1 with us because I think we lack there outside of Jones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: From what I'm hearing, Poona is more of a 3Tech than 1Tech. He does both in a 4-3. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 On 5/3/2023 at 1:27 PM, Mynamemike said: People were definitely high on him after last preseason. I agree I think the staff has him as their man in the middle as well. I don’t think Bernard is anything more than Milanos backup and special teamer but who knows. Excited to see the battle during camp play out. There is zero chance that Babylon Spector starts the season at MLB. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 57 minutes ago, JohnNord said: There is zero chance that Babylon Spector starts the season at MLB. Have you been listening to Beane? He’s not even sweating MLB this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 6 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Sal was talking about this yesterday. I was under the impression all along he was a 1 but he was saying he's more of a penetrator. I'm hoping he plays 1 with us because I think we lack there outside of Jones. He's a 1 that can also play 3. @SCBillsis correct that Pete Carroll said that Ford best playing nose tackle over the ball and they were playing him out of position last year. Greg Cosell agreed he's best playing over the ball. Pete also said they were playing him too many snaps in 2022 and it wore him down by the end of the year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 On 5/3/2023 at 4:11 PM, ddaryl said: They all call him, "Poona" 'Cause no one really knows his name (it's Kaylon FYI) He works the D-Line Dancin' and a clubbin is his trade his mama was Mez'can And his daddy was the ace of spades. Love me some ole ZZ Top 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 9 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Adam, look at it this way, if the Bills were willing to let Edmunds (defensive QB and captain) walk this offseason, think about how much easier of a decision that’s going to be with Oliver next year. IMO, he’s as good as gone. Now the interesting question will be to watch how he plays this year. Will he be going all out to increase his value elsewhere or will he mail it in knowing he’ll be a cap casualty. We’re all going to find out together. Welcome to the big contract franchise QB era of Bills history. Good as gone next year I think. he can and will play for his next contract. Which Bills cannot afford. So hoping we get his highlight reel this coming season. But he will be making business decisions. He sees the writing on the wall just as we do. Next season we are drafting and looking to intermediate FA for D Line. cuz Monies If he had been a deserved all pro last two years ? Maybe a contract would be getting done. but he aint and it aint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 11 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: From what I'm hearing, Poona is more of a 3Tech than 1Tech. He can play both spots you don’t move the guy once he anchors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 4 hours ago, JohnNord said: There is zero chance that Babylon Spector starts the season at MLB. Zero? I think to say that, he’d have to be competing against proven commodities. He’s not. He’s competing against nobodies and AJ Klein, the one guy the FO should be praying doesn’t win the job. what makes you say zero? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 On 5/4/2023 at 7:44 AM, Royale with Cheese said: Sal was talking about this yesterday. I was under the impression all along he was a 1 but he was saying he's more of a penetrator. I'm hoping he plays 1 with us because I think we lack there outside of Jones. He has played 1-tech and a lot of (2-gap) over the center in Seattle's schemes. They did not have much of a rotation and started moving him around a lot even playing some edge, but Carrol said in an interview that interior DL was his most natural spot. His body type is perfect for anchoring in the middle, and in our rotation schemes he will stay more fresh. Earlier in the year this was mentioned. "Pete Carroll says Seahawks overused Poona Ford on the defensive line. He likes Ford over the center at nose tackle. They played him more outside as 3-technique and even 5-tech. "I think we wore him down." Expect Ford back over the nose, among other changes to DL/run D in 2023" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Anyone have an idea what Poona Ford is going to cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) From that article - "Ford’s deal includes $1.5 million in guaranteed money and has a salary cap hit of $2.25 million." Edited May 5, 2023 by HappyDays 3 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Ask and ye shall receive. That's about what I was figuring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 I'm not sure if the Bills plan on doing it, but starting Poona and DaQuan next to each other would be interesting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 Hopefully this Ford runs better than the last Ford we had here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 On 5/4/2023 at 3:44 PM, Adam727 said: All good points. The reason I would be willing to downgrade the Dline this year is that according to Spotrac, the Bills are really far over the cap next year already and they have several high priced free agents to worry about. In my opinion, a DT rotation of Ford/Jones/Phillips/Settle/5th guy signed for Vet min is solid. Ford essentially takes Oliver's roster spot. With the state of the Bills cap next year, the high likelihood Oliver won't be able to be re-signed next year, his salary, and the % of snaps he is likely to play with the Bills' heavy emphasis on D-line rotation, his contract seems like a poor value to me even though I really like him as a player and I would rather see that money rolled forward into next year. I don't think it's likely to happen, that's just what I would do. I do agree our situation at MLB makes DT even more important and understand why Oliver will probably be on the team one more year. Which isn't the worst thing given that he is probably our second best player on the D-line. This will be last year for Poyer and Hyde too....their net cap of $15M will bring down the cap cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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