No excuses for Ken Dorsey this year

[I'm Spartacus]

Dorsey's playcalling might make Bass look even better! 🙂

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

This reminds me, we need a nickname for Dorsey. 

Dorkey ?

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

No excuses for Ken Dorsey this year

 

No excuses for Beane or McD this year either.  

If this Draft ends up producing no more than Beane's last four and if McD can't get us past the Divisional Round while playing competitively against whomever's in the AFC CG then the tough questions there need to be addressed as well.  

 

 

[oldmanfan]

Dorsey needs to be the man this season.

[Logic]

50 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Go outside for a bit.  It is not even summer, barely spring.  You may have a heart attack by then with your anxiety 

I'm at work. For as bad a use of my time as "worrying about the Bills' offensive coordinator" would seem to be, it still beats Excel Spreadsheets and Sales Journal Recon Charts.

Once I'm outside on a patio with a beer after my shift, though, I'll be sure to pour one out for ya!

 

[MPL]

I'll say the difficult thing — less excuses for Allen this year, too. He can still be better at pre-snap reads, getting the ball out quicker to his hots, and not locking onto one receiver for too long. He was up and down in these areas last year. If he can be more consistent in these areas, the ball will come out quicker and the oline will suddenly look a lot better. 

Then again, if Spencer Brown keeps whiffing on edge rushers all hope is lost. 

[Alphadawg7]

44 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

I think some of us might be underestimating the impact Damien Harris will have immediately. That was our biggest addition, IMO. 

 

I definitely like the signing a lot, I do just have some durability concerns with him as he has dealt with several injuries.  

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, MPL said:

I'll say the difficult thing — less excuses for Allen this year, too. He can still be better at pre-snap reads, getting the ball out quicker to his hots, and not locking onto one receiver for too long. He was up and down in these areas last year. If he can be more consistent in these areas, the ball will come out quicker and the oline will suddenly look a lot better. 

Then again, if Spencer Brown keeps whiffing on edge rushers all hope is lost. 

 

I am willing to give Josh something of a pass on last year for the injury but you are right he was too inconsistent. And while I know any critcism of him can be met with blowback Josh would 100% agree with me.  He knows he can play better and knows he has to. I slightly wonder if not going into the year as the QB of the Superbowl favourite and as the MVP betting favourite might actually help. Let him play more free.

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, Bills Bud said:

I still think our weapons are not top 10 in the league. Diggs is the only sure fire reliable target

 

True-ish.  But our pass catchers also include Gabe, Shakir, Kincaid, Sherfield, Harty, Cook, Hines...   Overall, it's a pretty good group with some speed, quickness, size, and route prowess.  Dorsey has plenty to work with.  

[msw2112]

Let's hope the two guards we signed (and/or any OL we draft tonight or tomorrow) will be upgrades and that Brown returns to form after a healthy offseason.  While I agree that Dorsey's offense had its struggles last season, the line play was pretty bad in stretches.  If the line play improves, the QB will have more time to make reads and find the open receiver, the WRs and TEs will have more time to get open, and the RBs will have holes to run through.  The offense will improve substantailly.

[MPL]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

19 minutes ago, MPL said:

I'll say the difficult thing — less excuses for Allen this year, too. He can still be better at pre-snap reads, getting the ball out quicker to his hots, and not locking onto one receiver for too long. He was up and down in these areas last year. If he can be more consistent in these areas, the ball will come out quicker and the oline will suddenly look a lot better. 

Then again, if Spencer Brown keeps whiffing on edge rushers all hope is lost. 

 

I am willing to give Josh something of a pass on last year for the injury but you are right he was too inconsistent. And while I know any critcism of him can be met with blowback Josh would 100% agree with me.  He knows he can play better and knows he has to. I slightly wonder if not going into the year as the QB of the Superbowl favourite and as the MVP betting favourite might actually help. Let him play more free.

I agree. I have a "we don't speak poorly about Josh Allen" rule in my house, but he should share some of the burden when things aren't working. Josh certainly doesn't have a problem shouldering the blame, but as fans, we're quick to deflect it toward anyone else. 

[Rc2catch]

Knox was open quite a bit. Doesn’t matter if he’s not targeted. Same goes for Kincaid or shakir or cook or whoever is running shorter routes within 15 yards of the line that josh doesn’t even look at. Some of those guys are winning their matchups but josh is 30 yards downfield hunting the big play. I have to believe as they go over footage Josh is seeing all these easy plays he gave away looking for the big ones. 

[loyal2dagame]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Like many here, I like Dalton Kincaid the player quite a bit.

The only hesitance I have in drafting him is that I was constantly yelling at my screen last year because Dorsey wasn't effectively scheming the athletic, mismatch tight end we ALREADY have on our roster and pay big money to. I'm dubious that a guy who couldn't find a way to effectively use one tight end will suddenly know how to effectively use two. For a first round tight end who figures to be second on the depth chart to be a worthwhile use of draft capital, he needs to actually be utilized with effectiveness and frequency.

Moreover, I was and am concerned about what I perceive to be Dorsey's failure to use the offensive weapons on the Bills roster in the way that best suits their traits. We drafted James Cook and traded for Nyheim Hines largely because both are receiving threats and mismatches against linebackers -- then completely failed to deploy them in that fashion. Gabe Davis did a lot of damage his first two years from the slot, matching up against small nickel corners, safeties, and linebackers. Dorsey rarely used him as such last year. As already mentioned, Dawson Knox is an athletic mismatch in the passing game in his own right, Dorsey failed to use him as much more than a last resort outlet receiver. Now add Kincaid to the pile of guys that require a specific type of usage to be most effective.

Going into 2023, with a formidable duo of tight ends, two speedy receiving backs, a top five WR, a big-bodied WR with excellent career touchdown production, and even new, speedy additions in Harty and Sherfield -- not to mention whoever the Bills add throughout the rest of draft weekend -- there will no longer be any excuses or training wheels for Ken Dorsey, in my opinion. "Not enough weapons" will no longer be a viable excuse.

If Dorsey can't scheme up a consistently effective offense that consistently makes use of guys like Cook, Knox, and Kincaid, he should be shown the door at the end of the year, in my opinion. There will be no shortage of brilliant offensive minds champing at the bit to work with Josh Allen and co if Dorsey can't cut it. 

Wtf?

The Bills offense last year with 1 less game played was almost statistically the same as Daboll's from 2 seasons ago. 

Dorsey did fine as a first time NFL OC. There are about 28 other teams that would have loved to have had the statistical season and regular season record the Bills had.  

It's getting old saying 13-3, 3 plays and 8 points away from being perfect. With all the horrible things that occurred in WNY and during the season.   

Expectations are not realistic here anymore.

Dorsey's offensive scheme is ok. 

This team is fine.  

I thought it was bad here during the drought.  This is on a whole other level.

Mindbottling. That's how silly these discussions are. 

[dorquemada]

46 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Dorkey ?

Solid.

 

 

[BillsFanSD]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

Except the starting QB injured his elbow on his throwing arm, a player temporarily died on the field of play, one of our top shelf safeties was out with a neck injury, but ya, no excuses…, 

None of this can explain why Dorsey was unable to scheme Diggs open, why he couldn't use Cook or Hines in the passing game, why Shakir couldn't see the field, etc.  

 

It's okay.  Dorsey was an inexperienced OC going through his first NFL season as a play-caller.  It's not surprising that he might experience a bit of a learning curve.  I'm a little disappointed at his performance last year, but I'm not in the building, I don't work with him each day, I can't even pretend to evaluate his football IQ, and I'll defer to our FO.  If they were okay with bringing him back for Year #2, then so am I.  But I'm not going to extend any benefit of the doubt beyond that.  We simply cannot have our franchise QB's prime years wasted on an OC who doesn't know how to use the weapons he's given.  Dorsey should absolutely be coaching for his job this year, and every year from now on. 

 

It's nothing against Dorsey personally.  It's just that there are probably at least 30 guys who are capable of running this offense with the personnel we've assembled, and each of them would consider it the professional opportunity of a lifetime.  I'm fine with giving Dorsey a chance, but he should rightly be on a short leash.  If he can't do it this year, let's bring in somebody who can.

Edited April 28, 2023 by BillsFanSD

[BillsVet]

Dorsey's on the hot seat...but McDermott's isn't exactly cold either.  

 

Probably not a good indicator if Dorsey has a bad season because McD hired him with likely input from others.  And, having just fired Frazier, he can't afford to have Dorsey struggle in year 2.

 

All of that is in the future, but glad to see that they're focused on improving the offense and thus supporting Josh.

[Logic]

16 minutes ago, loyal2dagame said:

Wtf?

The Bills offense last year with 1 less game played was almost statistically the same as Daboll's from 2 seasons ago. 

Dorsey did fine as a first time NFL OC. There are about 28 other teams that would have loved to have had the statistical season and regular season record the Bills had.  

It's getting old saying 13-3, 3 plays and 8 points away from being perfect. With all the horrible things that occurred in WNY and during the season.   

Expectations are not realistic here anymore.

Dorsey's offensive scheme is ok. 

This team is fine.  

I thought it was bad here during the drought.  This is on a whole other level.

Mindbottling. That's how silly these discussions are. 

Well, I'm sorry that you're feeling Mindbottled, but...

While yes, statistically, Ken Dorsey's offense showed some encouraging signs in year one...I'm not sure how ANYONE could watch the stagnancy that crept into the Bills offense as the year progressed and not be at least a little bit concerned. 

As often happens when a new OC comes in, opposing defenses didn't quite know what to expect at first, and the Bills offense performed well. From about the Vikings game onward, defenses began to adjust, and Dorsey lacked a counter-punch. There were long stretches where the Bills were not able to manufacture many points. It cost them games. Did you watch the 10 point output against the Bengals in the playoffs? Were you happy with Ken Dorsey and the Bills offense that day? Our pass-catching RBs, one of whom we drafted high and the other whom we traded for? 1 catch for 4 yards on the day between them. Stefon Diggs? 4 catches for 35 yards. Gabe Davis? 2 catches for 34 yards. Our rushing game outside of Josh Allen? 38 yards.

Go look at the season long statistics for Nyheim Hines, or the amount of targets that he and Cook had all year combined. Go look at Dawson Knox's yards per reception on the year, compared to the rest of his career. Go look at Gabe Davis' deployment from the slot vs out wide compared to previous years. Or, again, to put it simply, go watch the Bengals game again.

Dorsey's first year was not catastrophic. It wasn't even BAD. There were positive signs! But it DID demonstrate, at times, a concerning lack of creativity in personnel deployment and adaptability and counter punches to what opposing defenses were doing. The Bills offense of the last 9 weeks or so and the playoffs was not the same as the one we saw to start the year. And yes, Allen's elbow probably had something to do with it, as did other injuries, but...so did Dorsey's lack of imagination. He DOES need to improve in year two. To say that everything he's doing is just fine and dandy and that the Bills offense couldn't and shouldn't have been better down the stretch is, in my opinion, not entirely correct.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Logic

[Matt_In_NH]

Same thing said about daboll every year he was here.  

[Don Otreply]

54 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

None of this can explain why Dorsey was unable to scheme Diggs open, why he couldn't use Cook or Hines in the passing game, why Shakir couldn't see the field, etc.  

 

It's okay.  Dorsey was an inexperienced OC going through his first NFL season as a play-caller.  It's not surprising that he might experience a bit of a learning curve.  I'm a little disappointed at his performance last year, but I'm not in the building, I don't work with him each day, I can't even pretend to evaluate his football IQ, and I'll defer to our FO.  If they were okay with bringing him back for Year #2, then so am I.  But I'm not going to extend any benefit of the doubt beyond that.  We simply cannot have our franchise QB's prime years wasted on an OC who doesn't know how to use the weapons he's given.  Dorsey should absolutely be coaching for his job this year, and every year from now on. 

 

It's nothing against Dorsey personally.  It's just that there are probably at least 30 guys who are capable of running this offense with the personnel we've assembled, and each of them would consider it the professional opportunity of a lifetime.  I'm fine with giving Dorsey a chance, but he should rightly be on a short leash.  If he can't do it this year, let's bring in somebody who can.

Lots of factors go into. Why things happen the way they did, Gabe seemingly is nursing an ankle injury most years, LIL Dirty didn’t step up, the preferred starting slot receiver broke his ankle, and Shakir in his rookie season, the O-line was a mess, I could go on…,  so ya, lots of unforeseen things get in the way of success, Did KD have some leaning to do? Yup, sure did, so now we have a OC with live fire experience under his belt, and has likely had a sit down with his bosses about personnel usage etc etc,  I think you get where I’m going with this so…, 

[Malazan]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

Like many here, I like Dalton Kincaid the player quite a bit.

The only hesitance I have in drafting him is that I was constantly yelling at my screen last year because Dorsey wasn't effectively scheming the athletic, mismatch tight end we ALREADY have on our roster and pay big money to. I'm dubious that a guy who couldn't find a way to effectively use one tight end will suddenly know how to effectively use two. For a first round tight end who figures to be second on the depth chart to be a worthwhile use of draft capital, he needs to actually be utilized with effectiveness and frequency.

Moreover, I was and am concerned about what I perceive to be Dorsey's failure to use the offensive weapons on the Bills roster in the way that best suits their traits. We drafted James Cook and traded for Nyheim Hines largely because both are receiving threats and mismatches against linebackers -- then completely failed to deploy them in that fashion. Gabe Davis did a lot of damage his first two years from the slot, matching up against small nickel corners, safeties, and linebackers. Dorsey rarely used him as such last year. As already mentioned, Dawson Knox is an athletic mismatch in the passing game in his own right, Dorsey failed to use him as much more than a last resort outlet receiver. Now add Kincaid to the pile of guys that require a specific type of usage to be most effective.

Going into 2023, with a formidable duo of tight ends, two speedy receiving backs, a top five WR, a big-bodied WR with excellent career touchdown production, and even new, speedy additions in Harty and Sherfield -- not to mention whoever the Bills add throughout the rest of draft weekend -- there will no longer be any excuses or training wheels for Ken Dorsey, in my opinion. "Not enough weapons" will no longer be a viable excuse.

If Dorsey can't scheme up a consistently effective offense that consistently makes use of guys like Cook, Knox, and Kincaid, he should be shown the door at the end of the year, in my opinion. There will be no shortage of brilliant offensive minds champing at the bit to work with Josh Allen and co if Dorsey can't cut it. 

 

What were the excuses before the Kincaid  pick that you thought would have been alright? 

[aristocrat]

We’re gonna go from the second scoring offense to the first baby. No excuses 

[ProcessTruster]

the Bills have been one of the NFL's very highest scoring offenses in recent years. 

 

I do not understand the point of the OP.  

[loyal2dagame]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Well, I'm sorry that you're feeling Mindbottled,

 

He DOES need to improve in year two. To say that everything he's doing is just fine and dandy and that the Bills offense couldn't and shouldn't have been better down the stretch is, in my opinion, not entirely correct.

 

Every offense COULD have and some should have been better at times.  

I don't understand why the unrealistic expectations started here. The Bills have 1, only 1 good receiver. The Bills have a oline that is not great in pass blocking and deficits are hidden by the savior. 

The Bills #2 and #3 receivers have proven to be unreliable and underachieving. 

We had to bring in 2 receivers(Beasley and Brown) that were out of the league for the end of the season and the playoff run. 

But yeah.  It's on Dorsey's playcalling and inability to adjust. 

 

Unrealistic expectations.

Edited April 28, 2023 by loyal2dagame

[Toyo321]

4 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

the Bills have been one of the NFL's very highest scoring offenses in recent years. 

 

I do not understand the point of the OP.  

Because Josh had to play like superman running all over the place dodging defenders for us to score those points.  They are going to rein him in this year and Dorsey has no excuses that "hey we didn't know for sure" or "well if we would have just done this better",  start making plays for the talent you have on O.   Calling plays that give us the chance to the move the ball with out Josh running like his heads going to get chopped off would be a very welcome addition to this offense.

 

Josh needs to stop playing hero ball before he gets hurt.  It is only a matter of time if he continues to do that he will get injured for sure.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

 Would have liked March

Hope Torrence falls to us

2 hours ago, Toyo321 said:

Because Josh had to play like superman running all over the place dodging defenders for us to score those points.  They are going to rein him in this year and Dorsey has no excuses that "hey we didn't know for sure" or "well if we would have just done this better",  start making plays for the talent you have on O.   Calling plays that give us the chance to the move the ball with out Josh running like his heads going to get chopped off would be a very welcome addition to this offense.

 

Josh needs to stop playing hero ball before he gets hurt.  It is only a matter of time if he continues to do that he will get injured for sure.

It's not all on Dorsey. We all saw guys open underneath and Allen passed up the easy completion for the hero play too often. Too many picks. 

But bad Oline play almost all year and the elbow injury took its toll on Josh. 

Not that he needs to rebound because he was still incredible, bit I hope Josh is a little less error prone and a little more conservative this year with more weapons. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

7 hours ago, Logic said:

Like many here, I like Dalton Kincaid the player quite a bit.

The only hesitance I have in drafting him is that I was constantly yelling at my screen last year because Dorsey wasn't effectively scheming the athletic, mismatch tight end we ALREADY have on our roster and pay big money to. I'm dubious that a guy who couldn't find a way to effectively use one tight end will suddenly know how to effectively use two. For a first round tight end who figures to be second on the depth chart to be a worthwhile use of draft capital, he needs to actually be utilized with effectiveness and frequency.

Moreover, I was and am concerned about what I perceive to be Dorsey's failure to use the offensive weapons on the Bills roster in the way that best suits their traits. We drafted James Cook and traded for Nyheim Hines largely because both are receiving threats and mismatches against linebackers -- then completely failed to deploy them in that fashion. Gabe Davis did a lot of damage his first two years from the slot, matching up against small nickel corners, safeties, and linebackers. Dorsey rarely used him as such last year. As already mentioned, Dawson Knox is an athletic mismatch in the passing game in his own right, Dorsey failed to use him as much more than a last resort outlet receiver. Now add Kincaid to the pile of guys that require a specific type of usage to be most effective.

Going into 2023, with a formidable duo of tight ends, two speedy receiving backs, a top five WR, a big-bodied WR with excellent career touchdown production, and even new, speedy additions in Harty and Sherfield -- not to mention whoever the Bills add throughout the rest of draft weekend -- there will no longer be any excuses or training wheels for Ken Dorsey, in my opinion. "Not enough weapons" will no longer be a viable excuse.

If Dorsey can't scheme up a consistently effective offense that consistently makes use of guys like Cook, Knox, and Kincaid, he should be shown the door at the end of the year, in my opinion. There will be no shortage of brilliant offensive minds champing at the bit to work with Josh Allen and co if Dorsey can't cut it. 

 

 Statistically our 2022 offense was better than the Daboll led 2021 offense and not quite as good as the 2020 offense. For instance we had more yards per game last year than 2021 & 2020. 

 

 We just did it with more big plays vs long sustained drives. But in saying that we still were within a half of a first down pper game compared to 2021. Too many redzone turnovers and short fgs kept our ppg average down this year.

 

 But I also get your point that the RBs & TEs need to see more targets for this offense to be more effective. Part of that is on Josh, part of it's on Dorsey and part of it's on that terrible oline.

 

 

 

Edited April 29, 2023 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[Bills Bud]

Yeah there is. He doesn't have a true wr2

[TampaBillsJunkie]

8 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

LOL

 

Knox is so overrated by this board

 

he really doesn't do anything at a high level- can't block well, runs sloppy routes, just an average player overall

 

He is not a mismatch in any sense. Defenses aren't gameplanning Dawson Knox

he makes great catches then drops easy ones.

[Starr Almighty]

8 hours ago, Logic said:

Like many here, I like Dalton Kincaid the player quite a bit.

The only hesitance I have in drafting him is that I was constantly yelling at my screen last year because Dorsey wasn't effectively scheming the athletic, mismatch tight end we ALREADY have on our roster and pay big money to. I'm dubious that a guy who couldn't find a way to effectively use one tight end will suddenly know how to effectively use two. For a first round tight end who figures to be second on the depth chart to be a worthwhile use of draft capital, he needs to actually be utilized with effectiveness and frequency.

Moreover, I was and am concerned about what I perceive to be Dorsey's failure to use the offensive weapons on the Bills roster in the way that best suits their traits. We drafted James Cook and traded for Nyheim Hines largely because both are receiving threats and mismatches against linebackers -- then completely failed to deploy them in that fashion. Gabe Davis did a lot of damage his first two years from the slot, matching up against small nickel corners, safeties, and linebackers. Dorsey rarely used him as such last year. As already mentioned, Dawson Knox is an athletic mismatch in the passing game in his own right, Dorsey failed to use him as much more than a last resort outlet receiver. Now add Kincaid to the pile of guys that require a specific type of usage to be most effective.

Going into 2023, with a formidable duo of tight ends, two speedy receiving backs, a top five WR, a big-bodied WR with excellent career touchdown production, and even new, speedy additions in Harty and Sherfield -- not to mention whoever the Bills add throughout the rest of draft weekend -- there will no longer be any excuses or training wheels for Ken Dorsey, in my opinion. "Not enough weapons" will no longer be a viable excuse.

If Dorsey can't scheme up a consistently effective offense that consistently makes use of guys like Cook, Knox, and Kincaid, he should be shown the door at the end of the year, in my opinion. There will be no shortage of brilliant offensive minds champing at the bit to work with Josh Allen and co if Dorsey can't cut it. 

Knox stayed in to block alot because the line was garbage. Hopefully the additions will open that up to use Knox more often. I expect Dalton to line up like Beas in most of his plays 

[Mister Defense]

8 hours ago, Logic said:

Like many here, I like Dalton Kincaid the player quite a bit.

The only hesitance I have in drafting him is that I was constantly yelling at my screen last year because Dorsey wasn't effectively scheming the athletic, mismatch tight end we ALREADY have on our roster and pay big money to. I'm dubious that a guy who couldn't find a way to effectively use one tight end will suddenly know how to effectively use two. For a first round tight end who figures to be second on the depth chart to be a worthwhile use of draft capital, he needs to actually be utilized with effectiveness and frequency.

Moreover, I was and am concerned about what I perceive to be Dorsey's failure to use the offensive weapons on the Bills roster in the way that best suits their traits. We drafted James Cook and traded for Nyheim Hines largely because both are receiving threats and mismatches against linebackers -- then completely failed to deploy them in that fashion. Gabe Davis did a lot of damage his first two years from the slot, matching up against small nickel corners, safeties, and linebackers. Dorsey rarely used him as such last year. As already mentioned, Dawson Knox is an athletic mismatch in the passing game in his own right, Dorsey failed to use him as much more than a last resort outlet receiver. Now add Kincaid to the pile of guys that require a specific type of usage to be most effective.

Going into 2023, with a formidable duo of tight ends, two speedy receiving backs, a top five WR, a big-bodied WR with excellent career touchdown production, and even new, speedy additions in Harty and Sherfield -- not to mention whoever the Bills add throughout the rest of draft weekend -- there will no longer be any excuses or training wheels for Ken Dorsey, in my opinion. "Not enough weapons" will no longer be a viable excuse.

If Dorsey can't scheme up a consistently effective offense that consistently makes use of guys like Cook, Knox, and Kincaid, he should be shown the door at the end of the year, in my opinion. There will be no shortage of brilliant offensive minds champing at the bit to work with Josh Allen and co if Dorsey can't cut it. 

 

 

Great take, but need to add in his almost complete lack of focus/use/creativity in calling the running game too.

 

If he has not done a HUGE amount of work, including working with top offensive minds, in the off season, it will be glaringly obvious.  If so, McDermott will need to do something he has never done (?) and fire an important coach during the year.  Or the Bills are doomed.

 

I think the too conservative McDermott will do this.  But hopefully Dorsey is already well on his way of re-inventing himself as a coach in the off season and ready to make dramatic changes.

 

I don't think this fan base will settle for the status quo, even from day one this year.

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

32 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

Knox stayed in to block alot because the line was garbage. Hopefully the additions will open that up to use Knox more often. I expect Dalton to line up like Beas in most of his plays 

It’s honestly pretty crazy how much production we got on offense with a qb with a bum elbow and a couple big time weak links on the offensive line 

 

unfortunately it caught up with us in the playoffs 

Edited April 29, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

 Would have liked March

Hope Torrence falls to us

It's not all on Dorsey. We all saw guys open underneath and Allen passed up the easy completion for the hero play too often. Too many picks. 

But bad Oline play almost all year and the elbow injury took its toll on Josh. 

Not that he needs to rebound because he was still incredible, bit I hope Josh is a little less error prone and a little more conservative this year with more weapons. 

Could be wishful thinking but I think the elbow injury really hurt his touch/accuracy on the underneath stuff.  Also like you touched on its pretty tough to string a  10+ play drive together with the underneath throws/checkdowns when the probability of a holding penalty/sack blowing up the whole drive is super high with the offensive line we were trotting out there 

[NickelCity]

Dorsey seemed inept at adjustments and situational football. 

 

But OCs are often critiqued and there is so much context we'll never know that goes into it. I hope he's got what it takes because I think OC is the biggest question mark across the entire team. 

[ganesh]

Its not all on Dorsey.

 

The Bills did have a top 5 Offense last season.  We had injuries to the OL, WRs and QB.  

 

The Bills defense was more problematic 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

31 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Could be wishful thinking but I think the elbow injury really hurt his touch/accuracy on the underneath stuff.  Also like you touched on its pretty tough to string a  10+ play drive together with the underneath throws/checkdowns when the probability of a holding penalty/sack blowing up the whole drive is super high with the offensive line we were trotting out there 

Fair points.

I'm a cardiologist not a sports med or orthopedic guy so I can't really refute this idea that the short to intermediate throws were somehow harder.  Yet I can't think of any reason why they would be.  

Regardless it's on to next season and hopefully Josh is just a bit cleaner with the ball.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Fair points.

I'm a cardiologist not a sports med or orthopedic guy so I can't really refute this idea that the short to intermediate throws were somehow harder.  Yet I can't think of any reason why they would be.  

Regardless it's on to next season and hopefully Josh is just a bit cleaner with the ball.

I saw a good video on it somewhere but can’t find it now of course lol. There’s a lot more danger underneath if your accuracy isn’t quite there compared to overthrowing guys deep too which seemed to be his common miss.  

[GoBills808]

6 hours ago, Toyo321 said:

Because Josh had to play like superman running all over the place dodging defenders for us to score those points.  They are going to rein him in this year and Dorsey has no excuses that "hey we didn't know for sure" or "well if we would have just done this better",  start making plays for the talent you have on O.   Calling plays that give us the chance to the move the ball with out Josh running like his heads going to get chopped off would be a very welcome addition to this offense.

 

Josh needs to stop playing hero ball before he gets hurt.  It is only a matter of time if he continues to do that he will get injured for sure.

That's been the Bills offense the last 4 years

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

That's been the Bills offense the last 4 years

Thankfully Miami and NYJ have the same issues and I don’t think rodgers or tua are as capable in those situations.

 

We might have had the best offensive line in the division last year and it was so bad 😂

Edited April 29, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Jeff1954]

There is no need to overthink this. Copy KC’s usage of Kelce and LV’s usage of Waller. Mix and match.

[mrags]

His excuse will be the Bills wasted a 3rd rd pick on a useless backup OLB that they used in punt and kick coverage instead of drafting another OL or weapon at WR.