Jordan Phillips back with Bills 1 year deal

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

I'll bite. 

 

Who are you going to get for 3 million (which is probably incentive heavy) that is better for the scheme? 

For me I think Jordan Phillips is descent and is definitely worth the price when healthy.

 

But the problem is he hasn’t been healthy the last 3 years.

 

It’s definitely a gamble, cause I don’t know about you but I don’t want to see Eli Ankou play a lot of meaningful snaps this year if JP can’t stay healthy.

 

(I think they’ll invest a day 2 pick on DT mind you)

Edited March 29, 2023 by BillsFan130

[SectionC3]

17 minutes ago, MJS said:

Hmm. I think he is pretty suspect in run defense. He is more of a pass rusher and havoc creator.

Agreed. He is a penetrator.  

[Logic]

In terms of just the 2023 season, our defense now seems relatively set at all positions except middle linebacker, particularly if they re-sign Shaq Lawson.

Going forward, though, there will be lots of needs. From no DTs under contract past this year, to AJ Epenesa's contract expiring and Basham not providing much, to Von Miller being 35 years old, to Hyde and Poyer getting quite long in the tooth. There are about to be A LOT of defensive needs starting in 2024.

The question is: Do Beane and Co primarily use this draft to try to get a headstart on filling the pipelines on defense, or do they ride with what they have for one more year so they can bring in some more offensive protection and weaponry, and then worry about the defense next year. Personally, I prefer the latter approach.

Edited March 29, 2023 by Logic

[ColoradoBills]

9 minutes ago, Logic said:

In terms of just the 2023 season, our defense now seems relatively set at all positions except middle linebacker, particularly if they re-sign Shaq Lawson.

Going forward, though, there will be lots of needs. From no DTs under contract past this year, to AJ Epenesa's contract expiring and Basham not providing much, to Von Miller being 35 years old, to Hyde and Poyer getting quite long in the tooth. There are about to be A LOT of defensive needs starting in 2024.

The question is: Do Beane and Co primarily use this draft to try to get a headstart on filling the pipelines on defense, or do they ride with what they have for one more year so they can bring in some more offensive protection and weaponry, and then worry about the defense next year. Personally, I prefer the latter approach.

 

For the first 3 picks I think it's safe to say they won't be ALL offense or defense.  

So, for me it's this, is it 2 O and 1 D or the opposite.  I want the 2 O.

4th round pick will be the wildcard to make it O orientated or spllt.

Edited March 29, 2023 by ColoradoBills

[Logic]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

For the first 3 picks I think it's safe to say they won't be ALL offense or defense.  

So, for me it's this, is it 2 O and 1 D or the opposite.  I want the 2 O.

4th round pick will be the wildcard to make it O orientated or spllt.

In whatever order makes sense, I'd love a receiver, a middle linebacker, and an offensive lineman. That makes good sense to me. I sense they may pick a tight end high, too.

Often, the draft is not that cut and dry. It would seem to be a logical path, though.

Edited March 29, 2023 by Logic

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Mark Vader said:

Was he the plane?

Yeah.... A solid 747😎

[The Wiz]

Does his current dead cap of 1.25m factor into the "up to" 4.6m?

 

I could live with it if that's the case.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

9 minutes ago, Logic said:

In whatever order makes sense, I'd love a receiver, a middle linebacker, and an offensive lineman. That makes good sense to me. I sense they may pick a tight end high, too.

Often, the draft is not that cut and dry. It would seem to be a logical path, though.

If Beane and McDermott are telling the truth, and they think Dodson vs. Spector vs. Bernard is the MLB, then this team is essentially set and the Bills have the flexibility to draft either side. 

 

Von's knee is an unknown, but if he can go at the start of the season, they already have 4 DEs on the roster. 

 

What position do the Bills target on the Offensive Line?

OT - Dawkins, Brown, Quesenberry, Doyle

OG - Bates, McGovern, Boettger, Anderson

C - Morse

 

WR looks like one spot left

Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Harty, Sherfield

 

Running Back room looks packed

 

It looks to me like defense early, maybe a Tight End to compete. Joe Marino is talking about waiting on WR because the WRs in Round 2 are just as good as the ones in Round 1, but I think he's off on that. At #59 you're going to be down to Parker Washington, Tank Dell, maybe Rashee Rice, Marvin Mims or Cedrick Tillman. 

[Alphadawg7]

30 minutes ago, Logic said:

In terms of just the 2023 season, our defense now seems relatively set at all positions except middle linebacker, particularly if they re-sign Shaq Lawson.

Going forward, though, there will be lots of needs. From no DTs under contract past this year, to AJ Epenesa's contract expiring and Basham not providing much, to Von Miller being 35 years old, to Hyde and Poyer getting quite long in the tooth. There are about to be A LOT of defensive needs starting in 2024.

The question is: Do Beane and Co primarily use this draft to try to get a headstart on filling the pipelines on defense, or do they ride with what they have for one more year so they can bring in some more offensive protection and weaponry, and then worry about the defense next year. Personally, I prefer the latter approach.

 

I will add in that if Tre doesn't bounce back this year close to his old self, he very likely will be gone after this year because they can save a bunch by cutting him after this season.  And he is too expensive if he isn't the player, or at least close to the player, he once was.  

[TOboy]

So this leaves only 3-4 obvious spots they need to add through FA/draft. 
 

They absolutely need a MLB. 
 

They also need TE depth. 
 

Competition at RT (or even another swing tackle) would be a nice add. 
 

And although not completely necessary, I think we’d all agree we’d like to see a WR added. Personally I’d like it to be someone capable of making an impact, either an early pick or a vet starter. We technically have enough depth already. 

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

If Beane and McDermott are telling the truth, and they think Dodson vs. Spector vs. Bernard is the MLB, then this team is essentially set and the Bills have the flexibility to draft either side. 

 

Von's knee is an unknown, but if he can go at the start of the season, they already have 4 DEs on the roster. 

 

What position do the Bills target on the Offensive Line?

OT - Dawkins, Brown, Quesenberry, Doyle

OG - Bates, McGovern, Boettger, Anderson

C - Morse

 

WR looks like one spot left

Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Harty, Sherfield

 

Running Back room looks packed

 

It looks to me like defense early, maybe a Tight End to compete. Joe Marino is talking about waiting on WR because the WRs in Round 2 are just as good as the ones in Round 1, but I think he's off on that. At #59 you're going to be down to Parker Washington, Tank Dell, maybe Rashee Rice, Marvin Mims or Cedrick Tillman. 

 

You are missing David Edwards at G.

 

When it comes to the IOL it seems to me the big question (which I don't think anyone knows for sure) is future at C.

If they got that figured out then I see the OT as the need.

[TheBrownBear]

25 minutes ago, Logic said:

In whatever order makes sense, I'd love a receiver, a middle linebacker, and an offensive lineman. That makes good sense to me. I sense they may pick a tight end high, too.

Often, the draft is not that cut and dry. It would seem to be a logical path, though.

I think they'll go BPA outside of a few positions (for instance, obviously QB, PK, maybe CB, etc.).  It's much more important to fill your roster with difference makers as opposed to "need fillers", especially given our cap situation and our aging roster.  All that is to say I have absolutely no clue what positions they'll draft in the first three rounds.  I wouldn't be entirely shocked if we didn't nab any of MLB, OL or WR during days one and two. 

 

Edit:  Also, I am glad to hear Jordan Phillips has been re-signed.  👍

Edited March 29, 2023 by TheBrownBear

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

[JohnBonhamRocks]

37 minutes ago, Logic said:

In terms of just the 2023 season, our defense now seems relatively set at all positions except middle linebacker, particularly if they re-sign Shaq Lawson.

Going forward, though, there will be lots of needs. From no DTs under contract past this year, to AJ Epenesa's contract expiring and Basham not providing much, to Von Miller being 35 years old, to Hyde and Poyer getting quite long in the tooth. There are about to be A LOT of defensive needs starting in 2024.

The question is: Do Beane and Co primarily use this draft to try to get a headstart on filling the pipelines on defense, or do they ride with what they have for one more year so they can bring in some more offensive protection and weaponry, and then worry about the defense next year. Personally, I prefer the latter approach.

I expect Allen, Knox, Diggs, Dawkins, Morse, Miller, Rousseau, Milano, White, Poyer, Hyde, and Bass to all play for Buffalo well into their 40s, so really no worries anytime soon. 

[Dr. Who]

25 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

If Beane and McDermott are telling the truth, and they think Dodson vs. Spector vs. Bernard is the MLB, then this team is essentially set and the Bills have the flexibility to draft either side. 

 

Von's knee is an unknown, but if he can go at the start of the season, they already have 4 DEs on the roster. 

 

What position do the Bills target on the Offensive Line?

OT - Dawkins, Brown, Quesenberry, Doyle

OG - Bates, McGovern, Boettger, Anderson

C - Morse

 

WR looks like one spot left

Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Harty, Sherfield

 

Running Back room looks packed

 

It looks to me like defense early, maybe a Tight End to compete. Joe Marino is talking about waiting on WR because the WRs in Round 2 are just as good as the ones in Round 1, but I think he's off on that. At #59 you're going to be down to Parker Washington, Tank Dell, maybe Rashee Rice, Marvin Mims or Cedrick Tillman. 

Johnston, JSN, and Addison are a tier above the rest. Doubt any of them fall to 27. Downs for me is next. Some folks like Flowers and Hyatt. I think they are second round receivers who might go in the first. Depending on who else is available, I think Downs is a viable choice. 

 

Here's a positive assessment that argues for Downs as a first round quality pick.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/josh-downs-wr-north-carolina-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2023/

 

 

Edited March 29, 2023 by Dr. Who

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

Just put him on IR now and start prepping his back up. 

[TheFunPolice]

YES! Awesome news!

 

 

[Success]

A healthy Jordan Phillips would have made a significant difference for us in the playoffs.

 

When he & Miller were BOTH healthy, they were a real force.  Our physicality and ability to both pressure the QB and make impact plays on defense were night & day for the 1st couple of months to the season vs. the last month or so.

[Coach Tuesday]

1 hour ago, Nitro said:

Good to have him back.  Big run stopper  in the middle. He helps Oliver by taking two blockers on.  

This is not true at all.  Philips may have the body type of a run stuffer but that’s never been his game, he’s a penetrator/passrusher.  Oliver is a far better run stopper despite being smaller.

[JMM]

Another smart signing in all ways. Before his injuries he was a difference maker.

[Gunsgoodtime]

Awesome.  Get Shaq back, go into the draft and get WR, Ol in 1st 2 rounds, MLB 3rd(just used a 3rd last year on the position) then play with your DT pick, S, rb, te in the last 4 rounds.  Yes I know we only got 6 picks, just naming positions to look at

[Freddie's Dead]

Good signing, let's hope he stays healthy.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

38 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Johnston, JSN, and Addison are a tier above the rest. Doubt any of them fall to 27. Downs for me is next. Some folks like Flowers and Hyatt. I think they are second round receivers who might go in the first. Depending on who else is available, I think Downs is a viable choice. 

 

Here's a positive assessment that argues for Downs as a first round quality pick.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/josh-downs-wr-north-carolina-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2023/

 

 

Yes, I would expect Downs to come off the board before pick #59. 
 

If they go WR in Rounds 1 & 2 I wonder where that leaves Shakir.

 

He seems unlikely to eat into Davis’ snap count, and a R1, R2 WR would immediately outrank him.

 

Beane has said Harty is a WR 4 type, meaning he’d be down with Sherfield in injury replacement and mop up reps. 
 

Edited March 29, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[skibum]

This is great news. Great player and fan favorite for a very reasonable price. 

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yes, I would expect Downs to come off the board before pick #59. 
 

If they go WR in Rounds 1 & 2 I wonder where that leaves Shakir.

 

He seems unlikely to eat into Davis’ snap count, and a R1, R2 WR would immediately outrank him.

 

Beane has said Harty is a WR 4 type, meaning he’d be down with Sherfield in injury replacement and mop up reps. 
 

I'm not a gambler, but I'm willing to place a bet with someone on Beane drafting wr in round 1 and 2

[GolfandBills]

3 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

I'm not a gambler, but I'm willing to place a bet with someone on Beane drafting wr in round 1 and 2

You hard up for money?

Edited March 29, 2023 by GolfandBills

[Logic]

1 minute ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

I'm not a gambler, but I'm willing to place a bet with someone on Beane drafting wr in round 1 and 2

Are you saying you believe he WILL or WON'T do this?

Personally, I would be EXTREMELY surprised if Beane drafted a WR in round 1 AND round 2. They want a TE (more likely two of them), they NEED a viable MLB...I just don't see how they could take two receivers early. Not to mention that I don't believe the roster space exists for that.

[BBills_88]

No Diving at scrambling QB's 

[Beck Water]

23 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Phillips is quite a bit better than Settle when healthy. Problem is he wasn't healthy most of the season. PFF doesn't factor that into their grades.

 

To be fair to him, Settle injured a calf muscle (I believe it was) in Week 1, didn't play week 2, Q for week 3, but came back and saw an unusually high number of snaps the next couple of weeks because Oliver and Phillips were both out.

 

Settle is primarily a 1TDT and normally rotates with DaQuan Jones.

11 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

I'm not a gambler, but I'm willing to place a bet with someone on Beane drafting wr in round 1 and 2

 

Round 1 AND 2?  I don't think so.  Not with having just signed Harty to the 2nd biggest FA contract, signing Sherfield who I believe is the #5 or 6/Kumerow replacement, and  having Diggs Davis and Shakir already on the roster.  Where would two guys fit?

[machine gun kelly]

Happy they brought him back.  He deserved it.  He was an impact when he wasn’t injured.  He played banged up a good portion of the year.

[Beck Water]

21 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yes, I would expect Downs to come off the board before pick #59. 
 

If they go WR in Rounds 1 & 2 I wonder where that leaves Shakir.

 

He seems unlikely to eat into Davis’ snap count, and a R1, R2 WR would immediately outrank him.

 

Beane has said Harty is a WR 4 type, meaning he’d be down with Sherfield in injury replacement and mop up reps. 
 

 

Now wait a minute, wasn't that you over in another thread predicting that the Bills go defense early  in the draft per usual?

Make up your mind, Either Or, Not Both

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

21 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

You hard up for money?

He won't get @HOUSEto bite😎

[Dr. Who]

37 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yes, I would expect Downs to come off the board before pick #59. 
 

If they go WR in Rounds 1 & 2 I wonder where that leaves Shakir.

 

He seems unlikely to eat into Davis’ snap count, and a R1, R2 WR would immediately outrank him.

 

Beane has said Harty is a WR 4 type, meaning he’d be down with Sherfield in injury replacement and mop up reps. 
 

I honestly don't know, but my thinking is they need to bring in a wr with more talent than the mid-round picks they have been drawing from. Maybe Downs eats into Shakir's snaps, but his ceiling is much higher. 

[Mr. WEO]

Bills are the Oprah Winfrey of 1 year contracts..

[Malazan]

He made a difference when he was able to get on the field. 

[Gunsgoodtime]

55 minutes ago, Logic said:

Are you saying you believe he WILL or WON'T do this?

Personally, I would be EXTREMELY surprised if Beane drafted a WR in round 1 AND round 2. They want a TE (more likely two of them), they NEED a viable MLB...I just don't see how they could take two receivers early. Not to mention that I don't believe the roster space exists for that.

I dont there is a chance he does

48 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

To be fair to him, Settle injured a calf muscle (I believe it was) in Week 1, didn't play week 2, Q for week 3, but came back and saw an unusually high number of snaps the next couple of weeks because Oliver and Phillips were both out.

 

Settle is primarily a 1TDT and normally rotates with DaQuan Jones.

 

Round 1 AND 2?  I don't think so.  Not with having just signed Harty to the 2nd biggest FA contract, signing Sherfield who I believe is the #5 or 6/Kumerow replacement, and  having Diggs Davis and Shakir already on the roster.  Where would two guys fit?

I'm saying that no way he does

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Good move

Trade Oliver away and draft a DT with actual size.

 

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, Kiva said:

He was healthy for one game last year!!

Yeah but he was pretty awesome in that game.  His two injuries were kind of funny and freakish how they happened.

 

[transplantbillsfan]

Pretty awesome.  Love the dude. Position is set for this year.

 

That said, our DT position is pretty screwed starting in 2024 with absolutely no one currently under contract beyond this season.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

Are you saying you believe he WILL or WON'T do this?

Personally, I would be EXTREMELY surprised if Beane drafted a WR in round 1 AND round 2. They want a TE (more likely two of them), they NEED a viable MLB...I just don't see how they could take two receivers early. Not to mention that I don't believe the roster space exists for that.

A Round 1 or Round 2 WR, not both rounds. 

 

Phillips signing takes DT #4 pressure off in the earlier rounds.