Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 I can’t believe anyone would complain about this move. Exactly the kind of RB this offense needs. And my guess is we got him very cheap. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: What did Buffalo pay for Harris? I don't know yet. If it's more than $1.75 million I'm not a fan of the signing. That would be the same as effectively trading a 2024 3rd rounder for him. We've been willing to roll with starters from rounds 4-7 at seemingly every position other than RB. If we yet again spent a 3rd round pick (indirectly, but still) on a no-more-than-decent RB, I give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 35 minutes ago, astb41 said: This 1 year deal for Harris makes me think even more strongly they’ll target Bijan in the draft. Honestly feel like a trade up is in the cards. Then you go into 2023 with the Vet, Cook more comfortable in year 2, and Bijan learning the ropes but with less pressure and fully taking the reins in 2024 Bijan won't be there at 27. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 27 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Hey I'm happy if you're happy with Harris playing in 70% of our games next year. Singletary playing 0% with real NFL caliber guys back there will have me grinning ear to ear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 35 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: disagree. We have a bunch of ok role players but not enough impact to elite players. Excellent point! 36 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: You know what’s coming… more rotational D-linemen/big nickels/special teams aces to get their balls kicked in in historic fashion come January while Allen is evading rushers and jumping over linebackers to try and carry his offense. 😉 Sad but true. 😤😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said: Sorry but I was a big Gabe fan going into last year, but dude he was LOST last year. Not in the same page running the wrong way, tons of drops, miscommunications, just a brutal year. It was all mental too. I'm with you. Gabe is in the final year of his contract and I don't see how the Bills can feel comfortable about offering him another deal. It's why even if they land OBJ I still want to see investment into WR early into the draft, and then maybe take a flyer on a guy late as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Signing a player who has played very well vs. Bills is part of Beane's MO. Pending the contract details, which given what Singletary got would probably be a $1.7-2.5 million salary with incentives and that would be good, this is exactly how you play the RB game. Draft players in rounds 2-4 a majority of years, don't give them a 2nd contract, pick up 1-2 vets to round out the RB slots on cheap, 2nd contracts because (a) they are interchangeable and (b) when you are a pass first offense and have Allen (who is probably going to get 500-700 rush yards) keep the investment in the position at about $6 million on the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: This is exactly what they are doing. Sad. All this attention on O which you have been calling for..and nothing on D You must be giddy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 hours ago, aristocrat said: Like I said Singletary was average speed and no burst. Harris is 5'11 220 lbs with 4.45 speed, burst to the line and one cut and go. Watch these tapes and watch how many big runs he makes. Explodes, this is going to a great addition. We finally are going to a have a running game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Bruffalo said: I'm with you. Gabe is in the final year of his contract and I don't see how the Bills can feel comfortable about offering him another deal. It's why even if they land OBJ I still want to see investment into WR early into the draft, and then maybe take a flyer on a guy late as well. I'm not on board with the OBJ hype. He's older coming off an injury and wants a ton of money. I'm more inclined to draft a WR and spend that OBJ money on the oline. Protect Allen and he will deliver. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 48 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Unless they got this guy dirt cheap, they might have well just stuck with Motor. He isn’t any better. Just another jag. People want to dream about how he ripped up our poor run defense and think he is amazing for it. He is just another dime a dozen back. You're making the assumption Motor wanted to re-sign with the Bills. Maybe he doesn't like state taxes or cold weather. Harris has a no bs straight ahead run you over type running style whereas Motor was more cerebral trying to make guys miss. He's the ying to Cook's yang. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Being ranked 7th behind a has-been like Kareem Hunt isn't impressive. The 7th best RB available in any given free agency period is almost always a JAG. Even taking that author's opinion as accurate that doesn't tell me anything about Harris's value. And Spotrac's market valuations have notoriously been all over the place. Their market value is calculated from some algorithm they use, presumably based on stats and the player's age. They had Edmunds' market value as $11 million AAV before the offseason. Anyone who pays attention to the market could have told you a young athletic specimen coming off his best year, and entering a weak free agent class, was bound to earn at least $15 million AAV from a team with cap space to burn. Lo and behold he gets $18 million AAV. Similarly, but on the opposite end of the spectrum, a downhill only RB coming off his second injury ridden season is not getting anything close to the $7.1 million AAV Spotrac's algorithm laughably predicted for him. I agree that 7.1 is too high and he's not getting that. But Spotrac's been pretty close with most RB numbers this year. About a million too high on the other top end RB's. I'm willing to bet they're a couple million too high on Harris. But even if you think 5 is too high, you're absolutely just wanting to trash this move if you're going to be unhappy if it comes in over $1.75m. You're nuts if you think we're getting him for less than half of what Devin Singletary got on the same day. Edited March 21, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: I'm not on board with the OBJ hype. He's older coming off an injury and wants a ton of money. I'm more inclined to draft a WR and spend that OBJ money on the oline. Protect Allen and he will deliver. I understand the sentiment, but are there any meaningful upgrades left with the O-Line in FA? I'd like to see investment in the offense heavily this draft, but I'm not holding my breath. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 39 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: I knew going in they couldn’t afford to do much. This offense needs to get better one way or another though. So far I don’t see it. Lost some role players. Picked up some role players to replace them. Last thing I wanna see is Beane scrambling at the end of the season to pick up over the hill Brown and Beasley because he knew we weren’t good enough. Now and the draft is the time to do that. This staff has shown it can’t handle trying to figure out what to do with new players mid season. Brown and Bease weren’t good enough anyways and that same thing can’t happen again this year. Time to get a real receiver, probably already too late. I hope they at least hit on some o line picks or something. More defensive picks or reaches for players will be nauseating. We are on the same page here. In an earlier post I stayed none of the Bills moves are needle movers. I don't see how the Bills have gotten significantly better. In short, it's exactly what your post says. Swapping of role players. Guess we have to keep our fingers crossed. Folks, the Bills are "running it back" hoping for different results. I smell regression... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Guys saying Fournette and Elliott are old and washed...they are the same age as Harris. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: But even if it is too high, you're absolutely just wanting to trash this move if you're going to be unhappy if it comes in over $1.75m. You're nuts if you think we're getting him for less than half of what Devin Singletary got on the same day. I don't want to believe that Beane threw away a free 3rd round pick to sign an injury ridden RB with a limited skill set. Personally when I saw the announcement I assumed we were giving him like $1.6 million. A RB signing this late in free agency isn't typically getting more than that. Seeing some of the discussion about his value admittedly makes me nervous now. Hopefully I'm right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Cook doesn't need to make a big jump, he just needs more touches. T-1st among all RBs with a 5.7 ypc average. Was T-14th among RBs with (6) 20+ yard runs even though he only had 89 carries. He was the only RB with a sub 15 carries per 20+ yard run. Matter of fact he was the only sub 20 carries per 20+ yard run. 2 RBs had 1 every ~22 carries, another had 1 about every ~25 carries. Everyone else averaged 1 every 28-30+ carries. he’s flashed a ton of talent. To be a top 5 or so back in the league would still be a very large jump. To scale his productivity into 3 times as many carries wouldn’t be a fair expectation. He could certainly be that guy but it’s not a small step to take. 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: They are essentially middle of the pack by position group everywhere on offense(maybe worse on offensive line) except elite at QB….as the team preps to go defensive heavy in the draft…. Maybe they shock me and take a WR that falls or sign OBJ, but right now it’s probably a McD filled draft once again. On the bright side as you said if cook makes a jump or they land a WR in the draft they get better in those two groups. Davis is what he is. my only pause is that I do believe Davis was more injured than thought. He was slow, and lacking agility. And he never was a burner so losing a step isn’t something he can afford. that said he was still making some odd decisions and didn’t seem to be playing particularly qb friendly ball even if you sped up his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said: A few Dolphins players hate that Sherfield came to Buffalo too. Open minded about both TBH. I don't expect fireworks from either, but I think they will help this team be more physical and be able to produce. Shrefield is 6'1 220 Harris is 5'11" 215 McKenzie was 5'8" 175 Singletary was 5'7 205 It adds up over a season. Main reason i didn't like the other WR signing. So the funny part to me, is if you say a guy is 4” taller and (per the listed weights) a whopping 8lbs heavier, I’m gonna guess the shorter guy is far more stocky. I don’t really think we are getting much in the way of an upgrade, especially considering the injury picture. Harris is just more likely to go down hill vs DS who was more shifty. I don’t think we are any better off here in all reality. Sherfield, I’m kinda excited about. The only thing I do have to point out is we are stocking up on guys who primarily work from the slot again and that was a problem last year, there was nobody who could work outside besides Diggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Guys saying Fournette and Elliott are old and washed...they are the same age as Harris. Lol. Harris is 26 and has 449 career carries. Elliott is 27 and has 1881 carries Fournette is 28 and has 1132 carries Bit of a difference. 2 5 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, jwhit34 said: Signing a player who has played very well vs. Bills is part of Beane's MO. Pending the contract details, which given what Singletary got would probably be a $1.7-2.5 million salary with incentives and that would be good, this is exactly how you play the RB game. Draft players in rounds 2-4 a majority of years, don't give them a 2nd contract, pick up 1-2 vets to round out the RB slots on cheap, 2nd contracts because (a) they are interchangeable and (b) when you are a pass first offense and have Allen (who is probably going to get 500-700 rush yards) keep the investment in the position at about $6 million on the cap. I’m not saying your wrong, but I hope Allen doesn’t have 500-700 yards rushing this year… it’s time to build a better Oline .. so Allen can have time to use his talented arm. I’m tired of him being our Derrick henry… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I hate it when there is an exciting signing and some guy ***** all over it This is an exciting signing? It's a good and fairly expected signing, a back of his size and skill, but I'd be hard pressed to say it's exciting or really moves the needle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, Bruffalo said: I understand the sentiment, but are there any meaningful upgrades left with the O-Line in FA? I'd like to see investment in the offense heavily this draft, but I'm not holding my breath. They were never going to be in on a top end high priced RT to outright replace Spencer Brown. Beane has made it clear time and again that he feels back surgery, a lack of an offseason, and being nicked up during the season were the reason for him not looking well last season. I'm sure we'll either draft a guy in Rounds 2-4 and/or sign a mid level guy like George Fant or even re-sign David Quessenberry to compete with him and be the Swing Tackle if Brown beats him out. But he was never going to outright replace him. As far as Guard goes, they identified their man to replace Rodger Saffold quickly in Connor McGovern. Dawkins and Morse weren't being replaced. As mentioned, Brown is going to get competition. That just leaves Ryan Bates. Much like Spencer Brown, I don't think Beane is interested in outright replacing him. I think Bates and McGovern sharing a line and playing off each other at Penn State was part of the reason McGovern was brought in. So once again, when it comes to Guard, I'd expect another low to mid level signing and/or a mid round draft pick for competition/depth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: This signing tells me that they don’t think Bijan will be there. More likely that they do not value the position in the first round. I hope that is the case. They just used a second-round pick on James Cook last year. Would be moronic to use a first-round pick on a RB the very next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 yep... Beane is going to "chase" RB's in the draft again!! We are now done with RB starters and Depth. Next position please? RT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 We now have a solid 1-2 punch, Harris isn't the biggest RB but he's quite powerful and can be a load to take down plus a perfect compliment for the skillset of Cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponch Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: It's OK. I stand by my comment. Whenever someone comes here and says "I'm a realist" , it basically says "I think I'm the smartest guy in the room". Calm down Francis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Guys saying Fournette and Elliott are old and washed...they are the same age as Harris. Harris is and will be 26 this season, while Fournette and Elliott will be 28 this season. I get that's not much difference, but for RBs that difference is huge. 28 is where you generally start to see regression in RBs. This doesn't seem exciting to me, but solid. For me, this will depend on how much they paid. Edited March 21, 2023 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Honestly don’t care for this. Why did we need strictly a runner - he offers nothing in the passing game. Against an Allen offense you should be worried about every weapon on the field. still have to have a running game presence in this passing era; Philly, SF, Cin, and to a lesser extent KC and Mia....the mix of a power, receptions and speed...plus Lewis fumbles are not a problem compated to Motor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: yep... Beane is going to "chase" RB's in the draft again!! We are now done with RB starters and Depth. Next position please? RT. They signed Yeldon before drafting Singletary. They signed Johnson before drafting Cook. If the value is there I don't think they hesitate on taking a flyer in the later rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I don't want to believe that Beane threw away a free 3rd round pick to sign an injury ridden RB with a limited skill set. Personally when I saw the announcement I assumed we were giving him like $1.6 million. A RB signing this late in free agency isn't typically getting more than that. Seeing some of the discussion about his value admittedly makes me nervous now. Hopefully I'm right. It's really not that late in Free Agency. We're less than a week since it officially opened. We're not near the late stages yet. Here's the list of RB's that have signed for 2 million or more over the past week (per year): Miles Sanders - $6.25m David Montgomery - $6m Jamaal Williams - $4m James Robinson - $4m Samaje Perine - $3.75m Devin Singletary - $3.75m (today) Alexander Mattison - $3.5m Jeff Wilson - $3m D'Onta Foreman - $3m Raheem Mostert - $2.8m Justice Hill - $2.25m Travis Homer - $2m Boston Scott - $2m As much as I'd love it if we got Harris for peanuts, there is zero chance he's getting less than Justice Hill, Travis Homer, and Boston Scott. We should be praising Beane if he could get it done somewhere between 3-4m. Edited March 21, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: They signed Yeldon before drafting Singletary. They signed Johnson before drafting Cook. If the value is there I don't think they hesitate on taking a flyer in the later rounds. yea uh Real late because we are extremely deep at RB now. point being its late round.. your not "chasing" for a rb... Edited March 21, 2023 by PrimeTime101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Scott7975 said: min not going to sit here and start listing names. I’m just going to say they need to do better around Allen doing whatever it takes. as to the last paragraph I don’t think they make the team better. They make it the same. The same isn’t good enough. Like maybe the guard they got is slightly better. Maybe they did slightly better than McKenzie as well. We aren’t slightly better away from a SB like the last two years anymore though. however I will add that I think obj or Hopkins would instantly be the second best receiver on the team even past their prime. I wouldnt break bank for em but they would still be big upgrades. A big upgrade is what the team needs. Not just lateral wash moves. OBJ is asking for a long-term contract at $20M per year (though he's now backing away from that a bit). He probably won't get it, but unless you want to wait and hope he slowly comes down, you don't get him without paying a lot. Hopkins' base salary this year is $19M Easy to say you want them but wouldn't break the bank for them. How would you work getting them without breaking the bank? Many here would say, "Just rejigger the contract so they don't cost much this year," but that would mean we'd be back in the same situation next year, only worse, again stuck with very little cap space and people screaming for impact FAs. I think we still have a distant shot at OBJ if he simmers in free agency purgatory for a few months without getting any great offers. But IMO if it happens soon, it will be because a team has cracked and given him too much. Edited March 21, 2023 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 48 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I agree that 7.1 is too high and he's not getting that. But Spotrac's been pretty close with most RB numbers this year. About a million too high on the other top end RB's. I'm willing to bet they're a couple million too high on Harris. But even if you think 5 is too high, you're absolutely just wanting to trash this move if you're going to be unhappy if it comes in over $1.75m. You're nuts if you think we're getting him for less than half of what Devin Singletary got on the same day. Jeez, they're predicting him that high? $7.1? That's crazy, IMO. He's a good back, but not nearly that good. I guess it's somewhere between $2.5 and $4M, hopefully more towards the lower regions of that range. If it's more than $4M, I'd be a bit disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 We’ve gotten a good bit faster on offense with Harty and Harris Do we add Hardman now for HHH😆 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Jeez, they're predicting him that high? $7.1? That's crazy, IMO. He's a good back, but not nearly that good. I guess it's somewhere between $2.5 and $4M, hopefully more towards the lower regions of that range. If it's more than $4M, I'd be a bit disappointed. 5 posts above this one I posted the list of RB's who have been signed since FA opened from 2 million and up. No way we paid 7.1. But it's definitely going to be closer to 4-5 in my opinion. I don't see it being lower than 3. Keep in mind Devin Singletary signed for 3.75 just today. I don't see him getting less than that and definitely not more than a million less. Edited March 21, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 This signing was best case scenario at this point. Untapped potential if he can get healthy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Only FA prediction I got right so far with the bills. Beane loves players that torch the bills, when healthy hes excellent in pass pro, solid down hill runner. Really it all comes down to health, if he can get on the feild and stay there it could be a home run for the bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: 5 posts above this one I posted the list of RB's who have been signed since FA opened from 2 million and up. No way we paid 7.1. But it's definitely going to be closer to 4-5 in my opinion. I don't see it being lower than 3. Keep in mind Devin Singletary signed for 3.75 just today. I don't see him getting less than that and definitely not more than a million less. Singletary's contract was worth up to 3.75 million so we don't know the exact number guaranteed. My guess is around what Mostert got at 2.8 million maybe with some contract incentives to earn "up to" four million. Edit: Also, since the terms haven't been reported it's usually because the agent and/or player doesn't want to put it out there so it makes me think it's on the lower side of what he expected (like Poyer's deal). Edited March 21, 2023 by Doc Brown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Young guy. Much nicer than overpaying for king Henry or a washed up zeke. The last two offensive signings scream value and huge upside and we took player's we know, from our division. These seem like good, value pickups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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