Locomark Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, HOUSE said: He doesn't even look like Derrick Henry Right, he wont need $20 million to get 1000 yards…and won’t be making a first round playoff exit. 😀 Edited March 21, 2023 by Locomark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: I think Harris is a more consistent chain mover. YPC might be the same, but my memories of Singletary are me getting excited after an early 20+ yard run and then a long string of relative ineffectiveness and a fumble... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Watching his 2021 highlights. Downhill heavy runner lol tacklers bounce off him. I like the pickup with managed expectations. Luckily we just needed a lil more juice, and he's a good fit. Get to bills v pats it was either sun or Monday, must've been that windy game, gawd dangggggg did he trample us. Still infuriating lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Patriots fans are not happy about this at all. Good taste in the comments here. Love to see it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 All we need from Harris is to run in Buffalo like he ran in Buffalo for the Pats. I like his style for this offense but I don’t remember much about his pass blocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: I think Harris is a more consistent chain mover. YPC might be the same, but my memories of Singletary are me getting excited after an early 20+ yard run and then a long string of relative ineffectiveness Harris in his career has averaged a 1st down once every 4.15 carries, Singletary once every 4.12 carries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: min not going to sit here and start listing names. I’m just going to say they need to do better around Allen doing whatever it takes. as to the last paragraph I don’t think they make the team better. They make it the same. The same isn’t good enough. Like maybe the guard they got is slightly better. Maybe they did slightly better than McKenzie as well. We aren’t slightly better away from a SB like the last two years anymore though. however I will add that I think obj or Hopkins would instantly be the second best receiver on the team even past their prime. I wouldnt break bank for em but they would still be big upgrades. A big upgrade is what the team needs. Not just lateral wash moves. Last year I wanted Bradberry and Reddick so badly it hurt. Bradberry was the obvious CB to fill in for White, and we knew the HC and GM, nope. Reddick was a terrific pass rusher looking for a home, young and cheap, from Carolina, nope. We got washed up Von Miller instead. I hoped for the best. I knew what to expect. Both of the the guys I wanted played in the Super Bowl for Philly instead. They could be under contract today if we went younger and cheaper than Von Miller. The Carolina and NYG connections both failed, when Buffalo needed both of them. I wanted McAffery when he became available Clearly ours, 670k and a Carolina connection. Nope. We got Hines. At least Hines gave us some cheers on ST. Really amazing ones TBH. Would have rather had McCaffery though. TSW was convinced he was washed up and 'too expensive', despite how many of us showed he literally cost 670k for 2022 and how he could be extended or traded for picks this draft. He ended up having a pretty good season with SF, despite 'Mr Irrelevant' playing QB, and signed a team friendly deal... Could have been in Buffalo with Allen, but nope, despite the Carolina connection. Beane 'knew better' in all those situations where he had contacts.... 2022 presented Reddick/ McCaffrey and Bradberry to Buffalo with connections and they failed on all of them. I get it. We fu&k up every opportunity. After that I started to question Beane a lot. But this offseason is real dog crap. The time for Mack/ Jones/ Von Miller was 2-3 years ago on Allen's rookie contract in 2019-2021. At least Beane is not making the OBJ/ D Hop and Zeke deals today, a year or two too late to matter or try to save face. All of these above guys are done. I wanted Creed Humphrey instead of Basham. Imagine this team with Humphrey/ Bradberry/ Reddick and McAffrey under contract.... That is my team. But it is what it is. Do better going forward. I've moved on. I wanted one of the RT and Okerkerke (LB Indy) this offseason if Edmunds moved on. I got neither again. Poyer will be a stud S. I do think a few of the offensive guys will exceed their minimal expectations this season. McGovern/ Sherfield/ Harris will provide some pop and size, and play well. Nope they aren't 'studs', but provide upside in a very weak offensive FA period. So you have no names, no magic hat of players in this FA period. Neither do I. That is because this FA period stinks, and there are few to none. I'm happy Buffalo can't be dumb with money this offseason. Other than Poyer all of the FA money this year has gone to offense. OG/ WR/ WR/ RB Who should Beane have signed??? Should he just make up FA to sign here like in Madden?!? Last year was the chance to build a juggernaut and he failed. I agree the Harty signing was idiotic. Another really dumb move. The other WR should have gotten 2-3 years IMO. I think he could surprise as a WR3/ WR4. As for WR, let me repeat it again: OBJ and D-Hop are not improvements over Davis in 2023. PERIOD. This absurd dislike of Davis really is a TSW specialty, and I'll continue to fight it. Yards and TDs win games. Look at the facts. If your argument is 'those guys were injured' that may not be a strong argument in your favor. Let's look at these 'studs' Beane 'refuses to get': OBJ: 2021: 82 TARGETS/ 44 RECEPTIONS/ 53.7%/ 537 YARDS/ 12.2 YPC/ 5 TDS 2022; 0 TARGETS/ 0 RECEPTIONS / 0% / 0 YARDS / 0 TDS OBJ has not had an above 55.6% catch rate since 2018, but people want to talk crap about Davis' sub 60% rate. The last season OBJ was productive was 2018. 2018 was pre-pandemic my man. Dude is washed. You will be lucky to get Emmanual Sanders 2021 season from him. (PS Manny Sanders had a 58.3% reception rate in 2021) D Hopkins: Another 2018 PRO-BOWL TSW REGULAR: 2021: 64 TARGETS/ 42 RECEPTIONS/ 65.6%/ 572 YARDS/ 13.6 YPC/ 8 TDS 2022: 96 TARGETS/ 64 RECEPTIONS/ 66.7%/ 717 YARDS/ 11.2 YPC/ 3 TDS D-Hop became 2020 Cole Beasley in 2022. This is your solution to the #2??? At least J Brown and E Sanders could stretch a field for half a season each before collapsing. D Hop can't get off the couch to change the channel if the batteries go bad.... it's laughable. Fun Fact, D Hop was a below 60% catch WR his first 5 seasons. He was considered a stretch WR to Andre Johnson's possession skills. Sound familiar? It should. How many of you knew that? D Hop was Gabe Davis before Gabe Davis. Now many of you want old expensive Gabe Davis to replace young cheap Gabe Davis...... D-Hop is a vaxx refusal and season away from being 2021 Cole Beasley. D-Hop is washed too. Gabe Davis: A 4th round pick in his second and third season, only one starting.... 2021: 63 TARGETS/ 35 RECEPTIONS/ 55.6%/ 549 YARDS/ 15.7 YPC/ 6 TDS 2022: 93 TARGETS/ 48 RECEPTIONS/ 51.6%/ 846 YARDS/ 17.4 YPC/ 7 TDS LAST TWO YEARS: OBJ: 44 REC/ 82 TARG / 53.7%/ 537 YARDS/ 12.2 AVG/ 5 TDs - wants $14 million DHOP: 106 REC/ 160 TARG/ 66.2%/ 1289 YARDS/ 12.1 AVG/ 11 TD - 2nd round pick? DAVIS: 83 REC/ 156 TARG/ 53.2%/ 1395 YARDS/ 16.8 AVG/ 13 TD - on a rookie contract... Really? OBJ is a bum. D Hop is Cole Beasley at his best now. Years 1-3: DHOP: 239 REC/ 410 TAR/ 58.3%/ 3533 YARDS/ 14.8/ 19 TDS DAVIS: 118 REC/ 218 TAR/ 54.1%/ 1984 YARDS/ 16.8/ 20 TDS Its just a matter of volume yrs 1-3. Very similar catch %, Davis has YPC and TDS over DHOP despite being targeted only 53% of the time. D HOP has catches and yards on 2x the targets. This does NOT include playoffs.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Mark92 said: Love this move. Harris is a steal this late in FA. He's exactly the player Beane said they were looking for. Now let's bring in a Veteran LB and head to the Draft. Okereke (sp?) from Indy. Problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 4 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Outside of QB the entire offense is pretty mediocre. Often, your sharp football acumen is hidden under an avalanche of snark. Sometimes, you’re simply foolish. Mediocre? Meaning 16 NFL teams wouldn’t start them? You’re applying this to Stephon Diggs, Dawkins, Knox, Morse and Davis? They sit on 16 teams?? YEEESH!🤦♂️ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 43 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Last year I wanted Bradberry and Reddick so badly it hurt. Bradberry was the obvious CB to fill in for White, and we knew the HC and GM, nope. Reddick was a terrific pass rusher looking for a home, young and cheap, from Carolina, nope. We got washed up Von Miller instead. This is where I stopped reading. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: Okereke (sp?) from Indy. Problem solved. He already signed with the Giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Good under the radar signing. Runs hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Norcalbillsfan said: Only FA prediction I got right so far with the bills. Beane loves players that torch the bills, when healthy hes excellent in pass pro, solid down hill runner. Really it all comes down to health, if he can get on the feild and stay there it could be a home run for the bills. Seems like the team hopes Harris being a backup to Cook or at least splitting carries with Cook will keep him healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Seems like the team hopes Harris being a backup to Cook or at least splitting carries with Cook will keep him healthy. The Patriots hoped that with Stephenson. It's a small risk and it's why I don't think this signing means Beane won't rule out Beane drafting a RB as early as the 3rd round given this is just a one year commitment with Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The Patriots hoped that with Stephenson. It's a small risk and it's why I don't think this signing means Beane won't rule out Beane drafting a RB as early as the 3rd round given this is just a one year commitment with Harris. I don’t think we’ll see a running back now until the later rounds It’s OK we’ve got holes to fill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 8 hours ago, McBean said: Eliminate holes on offense to draft all defense with premium picks. Most likely. Dumpster dive FA on offense, ignore it before round 3 in the draft 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Most likely. Dumpster dive FA on offense, ignore it before round 3 in the draft Are you seriously calling Damien Harris a dumpster dive acquisition? C'mon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Are you seriously calling Damien Harris a dumpster dive acquisition? C'mon. Dude is broken 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: More likely that they do not value the position in the first round. I hope that is the case. They just used a second-round pick on James Cook last year. Would be moronic to use a first-round pick on a RB the very next year. I think that Bijan is a can’t miss star. I think that the Bills were really high on him. This draft just lacks top end talent so he will go earlier than expected. He’s a top 5 player in this class. I think that they, and everyone else, loves the player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 9 hours ago, McBean said: Eliminate holes on offense to draft all defense with premium picks. 9 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s what I’m afraid of. I hear you…but look at what our defense has done in the last three playoff losses (KC/KC/CIN). They haven’t just been bad, they’ve been TERRIBLE. Anyone who doesn’t think the Bills need to continue to look for difference-makers on defense is kidding himself. That said…I do believe that a focus on making the offense better (protecting Josh and giving him weapons) is priority #1. Signing Harris and Sherfield and the OG do that. It doesn’t mean they won’t go offense with one of their first two picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 7 hours ago, ArtVandalay said: Oh yeah because everyone is clamoring to be the Texans backup! Good teams would never get a discount on a prove it deal with playing time! We know what the league thinks of Singletary. He signed on to be a backup for the Texans in a 1 year deal LMAO. Maybe you should try being a BILLS fan and not a Singletary fan. Bruh, are you serious?!? 😂😂 You said a bunch of nonsense about “the whole league knows it.” Hyperbole and exaggeration doesn’t impress me. All that I’ve said is that we lost a decent rotational back and replaced him with a different kind of decent rotational back. Not sure what you’re talking about but I know nonsense when I see it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I think that Bijan is a can’t miss star. I think that the Bills were really high on him. This draft just lacks top end talent so he will go earlier than expected. He’s a top 5 player in this class. I think that they, and everyone else, loves the player. Where would you rank him against Zeke and Saquon who were probably the last two "can't miss" top 10 type running backs? On Harris, he is a short yardage / power back. He isn't an every down player. Do they think they have enough with him and Cook to build a consistent run game? Will be interesting to see. Edited March 21, 2023 by GunnerBill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Where would you rank him against Zeke and Saquon who were probably the last two "can't miss" top 10 type running backs? On Harris, he is a short yardage / power back. He isn't an every down player. Do they think they have enough with him and Cook to build a consistent run game? Will be interesting to see. I rank Bijan behind Zeke and Barkley coming out. I thought Barkley was as good of a RB prospect as I could remember and Zeke is my favorite Buckeye ever. That probably clouded my judgement some. I have him above Etienne, CEH, Fournette, Jacobs, Penny, Michel, Najee and every other first round back in the last 10+ years. This is a garbage draft though so it’s tough to see him at 27. He’s safe with big upside. Harris, to me, is what they wanted Moss to be. He brings a different skill set and can convert in short yardage. Harris rounds out th skill set in the RB room. He’s a decent back. The running game depends on Cook’s development IMO. If he takes a step, which he might, they’ll be okay. Saffold has historically been a superior run blocker to McGovern as well (McGovern is an obvious upgrade overall). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: I don’t think we’ll see a running back now until the later rounds It’s OK we’ve got holes to fill Agreed and if we don't draft a RB that is fine too. UDFA. We have drafted a lot of RBs and have Cook for 3 more years. We only have 6 picks. I hope we do not draft a RB. If late, so be it and hopefully they are a great pick up. 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Harris, to me, is what they wanted Moss to be. He brings a different skill set and can convert in short yardage. Harris rounds out th skill set in the RB room. He’s a decent back. The running game depends on Cook’s development IMO. If he takes a step, which he might, they’ll be okay. Saffold has historically been a superior run blocker to McGovern as well (McGovern is an obvious upgrade overall). Agreed and agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Most likely. Dumpster dive FA on offense, ignore it before round 3 in the draft That really does seem like what’s about to happen. I think Harris might be are best addition so far though. Edited March 21, 2023 by BananaB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I rank Bijan behind Zeke and Barkley coming out. I thought Barkley was as good of a RB prospect as I could remember and Zeke is my favorite Buckeye ever. That probably clouded my judgement some. I have him above Etienne, CEH, Fournette, Jacobs, Penny, Michel, Najee and every other first round back in the last 10+ years. This is a garbage draft though so it’s tough to see him at 27. He’s safe with big upside. Yea I have him behind Zeke and Barkley too. I had a 1st on Fournette, which was a miss, but didn't have a first on any of Etienne, CEH, Jacobs, Penny, Michel or Najee. The only other backs I had a 1st on in the period since Zeke were Dalvin Cook and Jonathan Taylor. I think Bijan is missing that home run hitter ability for the NFL. Don't love his long speed and think he can be a bit of a straight line runner once in the open field. But he has everything else. At the moment Bijan is =3 among those guys with the grade I had on Fournette. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yea I have him behind Zeke and Barkley too. I had a 1st on Fournette, which was a miss, but didn't have a first on any of Etienne, CEH, Jacobs, Penny, Michel or Najee. The only other backs I had a 1st on in the period since Zeke were Dalvin Cook and Jonathan Taylor. I think Bijan is missing that home run hitter ability for the NFL. Don't love his long speed and think he can be a bit of a straight line runner once in the open field. But he has everything else. At the moment Bijan is =3 among those guys with the grade I had on Fournette. I was in Louisiana when Fournette was at LSU. I never understood the hype. He was a HS legend and had the body. He just never felt like a great back to me. I used to argue that Zeke > Fournette all of the time. Bijan reminds me of Barkley without the breakaway speed. This draft reminds of the 2013 draft when it comes to skill players. 2023 has better QBs but the rest of the skill players are meh. Bijan jumps out at me because he is a “can’t miss” guy. 2013 produced Kelce, Hopkins, Le’Veon, Keenan Allen and a few others but none were “can’t miss.” Hopkins is the only one of them that went in the 1st and that was at 27. This draft feels like it’ll probably produce some high end players but who knows which ones it will be. I like Robinson because I think that he is likely to be one of the good players to come out of it. P.S. If you ever want to see another Louisiana HS legend go watch Pooka Williams HS highlights. He is by far, the best HS player that I have ever seen. I saw Ja’Marr Chase, Justin Jefferson, etc… in high school. Edited March 21, 2023 by Kirby Jackson 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Add in the Allen carries and this feels about right. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 You guys really have to stop with the “this signing means we won’t sign this guy”rhetoric, Beane falls in love with players. If he has someone he likes, and it lines up, he’s taking that player, regardless of the roster. That’s how the draft should work anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 11 hours ago, McBean said: Eliminate holes on offense to draft all defense with premium picks. No,I think they still need a tackle, wide receiver, possibly depth at tight end and interior OLine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said: No,I think they still need a tackle, wide receiver, possibly depth at tight end and interior OLine. My guess for Rd 1 is either OL or WR. They still need to build the offense around Josh. It will be interesting to see what Beane does. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said: You guys really have to stop with the “this signing means we won’t sign this guy”rhetoric, Beane falls in love with players. If he has someone he likes, and it lines up, he’s taking that player, regardless of the roster. That’s how the draft should work anyhow. the problem is it hasn't always lined up and we draft players that McBeane like, instead of obvious needs and depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 20 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said: No,I think they still need a tackle, wide receiver, possibly depth at tight end and interior OLine. I agree. My fear is these role player signings are going to let them justify drafting defensive players with premium picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 6 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Okereke (sp?) from Indy. Problem solved. Signed with the NY Football Giants https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2023-nfl-free-agency-giants-former-colts-lb-bobby-okereke-agree-to-4-year-40m-deal-per-report/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flmike Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 11 hours ago, Big Blitz said: D line at 27 book it. Linebacker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Jeez, they're predicting him that high? $7.1? That's crazy, IMO. He's a good back, but not nearly that good. I guess it's somewhere between $2.5 and $4M, hopefully more towards the lower regions of that range. If it's more than $4M, I'd be a bit disappointed. Was wondering if they ever update that? It's one thing to have guessed that a month ago, versus earlier this week after we see all the $3m signings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flmike Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, McBean said: I agree. My fear is these role player signings are going to let them justify drafting defensive players with premium picks. The team desperately needs help at LB and CB and safety depth, not to mention a true run-stuffing DL and you don't want to use picks there? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, flmike said: The team desperately needs help at LB and CB and safety depth, not to mention a true run-stuffing DL and you don't want to use picks there? lol there’s nothing close to a desperate need at CB. Linebackers yes and depth at safety i agree with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, flmike said: The team desperately needs help at LB and CB and safety depth, not to mention a true run-stuffing DL and you don't want to use picks there? I honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm. Josh is our best player and we need to protect him short and long term and you are talking about Safety depth? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, flmike said: The team desperately needs help at LB and CB and safety depth, not to mention a true run-stuffing DL and you don't want to use picks there? This team desperately needs upgrades at IOL/OT #2 WR, could use a 2nd TE just the same Without Allen our D won't save us so give the Offense some top tools should be priority 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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