Bills sign Damien Harris

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, NewEra said:

Any financials released for Harris or Sherfield?

Cheap most likely with decent incentives. My guess is $4 million max with actual cash around $2 million. Cap hit just over $2 million.

[Udubalum07]

Love this signing.  Take some of the hits off of Josh on short yardage situations.  

 

I saw a few comparing yards per carry to Singletary, but he also had to run into stacked boxes where Devin was usually running into favorable alignments. 

 

Absolutely need the offensive line to be better though. 

[MrEpsYtown]

8 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

 

Oh man that run vs the Jets. Wow. 

[JoshAllin]

I'm loving it, looks like bills are going to the same format as last year

[RocCityRoller]

9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

 

Thank you.

 

Anyone thinking Saingletary = Harris needs their heads examined.

 

Even before a Harris hit.

[ColoradoBills]

13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s fair. He is definitely a better fit next to Cook. He’s what people wanted Moss to be.

 

Bingo.  I know I think that!

[ArtVandalay]

20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Singeltary has 368 more touches than Harris. These conversations only work when we apply facts and real info. People can’t just make things like “Harris has 3x the workload.”

Hate to break it to you but Singletary is literally one of the smallest and least physical RBs in the entire league. Bottom percentile across the board. 

 

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/devin-singletary

 

He was on one of the highest powered offenses in the entire league facing light boxes and getting carries on draws and designed misdirections and left so many yards on the field. Constantly chased down from behind. Just small, slow, weak. Absolutely useless between the tackles.

 

Damien Harris is a much larger, faster, stronger back that can hit between the tackles. Just a competely different type of player. So much better. 

 

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/damien-harris

 

There's a reason the only team that wanted Singletary was the Texans for 1 yr as a backup... the starting running back for one of the most high powered offenses in the NFL, just no interest in him.

 

The entire NFL knows it, he stinks, he'll never crack 1k rushing in his career. You won't hear from him again, he'll be irrelevant now that he's off the Bills. 

 

We got massively better on the ground today.

 

Edited March 21, 2023 by ArtVandalay

[NoSaint]

6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Outside of QB the entire offense is pretty mediocre.

You’ll catch hell but unless cook or Davis make a big jump it’s hard to say any position group is solidly excellent. There’s a lot of decent. Not much great or terrible. 

[Process]

Yea I love this. Hopefully he stays healthy,

[LABILLBACKER]

7 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

Diggs says hi.

The 2021 version of Harris says hi....

[QLBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Honestly don’t care for this.
 

Why did we need strictly a runner - he offers nothing in the passing game.  
 

Against an Allen offense you should be worried about every weapon on the field. 

I’m guessing he’s the short yardage guy. Cook and Hines are the receiving backs. Hines in particular hopefully gets a screen game going. Bills have been bad at it on both sides of the ball. 

Edited March 21, 2023 by QLBillsFan

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I'll call a hooker

 If you can prove you’re good in the slot maybe Beane will give you a look. 🤔

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The 2021 version of Harris says hi....

You quoted as I deleted it, as I read a further post which suggested the reference might be referring to positions rather than single players. Get a legit number two WR through the door and I’ll be much happier. The RB room is decent providing Harris stays fit.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Hate to break it to you but Singletary is literally one of the smallest and least physical RBs in the entire league. Bottom percentile across the board. 

 

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/devin-singletary

 

He was on one of the highest powered offenses in the entire league facing light boxes and getting carries on draws and designed misdirections and left so many yards on the field. Constantly chased down from behind. Just small, slow, weak. Absolutely useless between the tackles.

 

Damien Harris is a much larger, faster, stronger back that can hit between the tackles. Just a competely different type of player. So much better. 

 

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/damien-harris

 

There's a reason the only team that wanted Singletary was the Texans for 1 yr as a backup... the starting running back for one of the most high powered offenses in the NFL, just no interest in him.

 

The entire NFL knows it, he stinks, he'll never crack 1k rushing in his career. You won't hear from him again, he'll be irrelevant now that he's off the Bills. 

 

We got massively better on the ground today.

 

But if he were horrendous….. No one would’ve signed him.  
 

you’re exaggerating big time.  He’s a backup.  And that’s what he is. 
 

P.s. - you have no idea if no other teams were interested -  do you have a link?

[LABILLBACKER]

10 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

Oh I do too. 100% agree with you.

 

Sorry my sarcasm was not clear, I love this pick up and Sherfield.

Neither were FA studs, but both are true NFL players that can improve the team.

 

Sherfield. Best blocking WR we have had since Woods, and can play outside if needed, also plays ST.

Replaces Kumerow and Mckenzie in one shot.

Harty = McKenzie/ Stevenson/ Jones

 

2 for 1 all offseason. I love it.

 

McGovern is an improvement at OG. (Just hope he plays RG)

 

We agree 100%. Solid Week 2 signings. Both improve the team IMO.

Now let's focus on RT/ WR2.  This Harris signing will work nicely. 

[stinky finger]

18 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I hope that you’re right. Statistics wouldn’t support that. Cook making the leap is the only way that they will be better than okay. He might just do that. He was good late in the season.

 
Me too. I’d expect Cook to take the next step and really think  a healthy dose of Harris running like he can and Buffalo will have a terrific 1-2 punch. 

[NeverOutNick]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Now let's focus on RT/ WR2.  This Harris signing will work nicely. 

I think RT is our first round pick with a lot of OTs projected in our range but definitely agree on nabbing Hopkins for a 3rd or give OBJ a one year deal to prove he still has it to the league 

[Kirby Jackson]

12 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Hate to break it to you but Singletary is literally one of the smallest and least physical RBs in the entire league. Bottom percentile across the board. 

 

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/devin-singletary

 

He was on one of the highest powered offenses in the entire league facing light boxes and getting carries on draws and designed misdirections and left so many yards on the field. Constantly chased down from behind. Just small, slow, weak. Absolutely useless between the tackles.

 

Damien Harris is a much larger, faster, stronger back that can hit between the tackles. Just a competely different type of player. So much better. 

 

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/damien-harris

 

There's a reason the only team that wanted Singletary was the Texans for 1 yr as a backup... the starting running back for one of the most high powered offenses in the NFL, just no interest in him.

 

The entire NFL knows it, he stinks, he'll never crack 1k rushing in his career. You won't hear from him again, he'll be irrelevant now that he's off the Bills. 

 

We got massively better on the ground today.

 

Let’s see who got more money before we pretend to know how the league views these players. You’ll look pretty bad saying “the entire NFL knows it” if that’s not how it plays out.

[stinky finger]

14 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Oh man that run vs the Jets. Wow. 

yeah - he’s a hard, punishing runner. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s fine. The Bills are trying to “eliminate holes” on offense in FA. The RB room is okay at the moment. 

Agree. They can now take WR, MLB, OT, and C/G in the first four rounds in any particular order. The starters on the IOL are ok. RT needs to be an open competition with a rookie. And they need to add a WR#2 so Davis van walk next season.

Only issue left is DL. Do they hope Oliver can stay healthy or so they trade him and draft another DT??

[boyst]

1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said:

Captain Jack Campbell (LB) would be drafted prior to any S in round one.

 

Not that I have a round one grade on him. (I don't)

Where is the Bill signal when ya need it?  Safety. Round 1. Period. Lasssssgoooo

[folz]

Not a move I wanted or was expecting, but I still think it is a solid move.

 

I think Devin is the better overall back, but Harris brings what we didn't have: a little size and toughness. Cook is going to be the lead back this year, Harris provides insurance (which is why I wanted them to retain Devin). And we don't need him to be a #1 workhorse back, we need him in short yardage...and more importantly to close out games. How many times over the last couple of years have we let teams claw their way back into games because we couldn't close them out? If Harris is an improvement (which he should be) on the goal line and in the 4-minute offense only, he will be worth it.

[Manther]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

As I mentioned an earlier post, Spotrac's estimated market value for him was 7.1 annually. He may have come a little cheaper than that, but there's no way he came under 2 million. Especially if Motor cost 3.75. His market value was under Harris'.

He could be less than Motor.  I prefer Harris over Motor.  Liked Motor too.

 

If Harris cost $5 million a year I don’t think I like it or not as much.  I think Harris will be between $3-5.

 

Being a one year deal Harris didn’t have a market either.

[Nephilim17]

This might be the closet to a "bowling ball with knives" runner we've had since Henry. Minus the train of women with babies and lawyers in tow.

[boyst]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Well this means no Zeke, and I'm fine with it since they are basically equal for what we need them for, and I'm sure Harris was cheaper.

 

Now sign OBJ, or get Jeudy, and I'll be all set for when they inevitably draft Safety in round 1.

I would rather find a rookie who meets what we need vs. OBJ or Jeudy. 

[ArtVandalay]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Let’s see who got more money before we pretend to know how the league views these players. You’ll look pretty bad saying “the entire NFL knows it” if that’s not how it plays out.

Oh yeah because everyone is clamoring to be the Texans backup! Good teams would never get a discount on a prove it deal with playing time!

 

We know what the league thinks of Singletary. He signed on to be a backup for the Texans in a 1 year deal LMAO.

 

Maybe you should try being a BILLS fan and not a Singletary fan. 

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, Malazan said:

Solid pickup, but I still contend the line is more important and that no back 'solves' the problem on his own.

The draft will solve that. OL is an expensive position in FA

WR 2 -3 and RB is not. I like the strategy 

[BillsFanForever19]

10 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

I think RT is our first round pick with a lot of OTs projected in our range but definitely agree on nabbing Hopkins for a 3rd or give OBJ a one year deal to prove he still has it to the league 

 

Hopkins isn't a thing. It's a pipedream. He has only this year and next year on his deal. A 36 million dollar cap hit this season and a 23 million dollar cap hit next year. There is no way to restructure him to where we could afford it. Even if we could do a new deal for him, there's no way Beane would carry both Diggs and Hopkins contract at the same time.

 

We're 18+ million over the cap next season also. A gamble on an less than market value deal with OBJ, sure. Hopkins cannot be done.

 

5 minutes ago, Manther said:

He could be less than Motor.  I prefer Harris over Motor.  Liked Motor too.

 

If Harris cost $5 million a year I don’t think I like it or not as much.  I think Harris will be between $3-5.

 

Being a one year deal Harris didn’t have a market either.

 

Nope. He's not coming in under Motor. Especially if his agent agreed to the deal after seeing what Motor got. 

Edited March 21, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Could Harris take his college number #32?

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

9 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

You’ll catch hell but unless cook or Davis make a big jump it’s hard to say any position group is solidly excellent. There’s a lot of decent. Not much great or terrible. 

 

 Cook doesn't need to make a big jump, he just needs more touches. T-1st among all RBs with a 5.7 ypc average. Was T-14th among RBs with (6) 20+ yard runs even though he only had 89 carries. He was the only RB with a sub 15 carries per 20+ yard run. Matter of fact he was the only sub 20 carries per 20+ yard run. 2 RBs had 1 every ~22 carries, another had 1 about every ~25 carries. Everyone else averaged 1 every 28-30+ carries. 

 

[blacklabel]

Well....he's no Mike Tolbert. Is he even a Chris Ivory?!

 

Nah, I kid. McDermott certainly has a preference for a larger RB in the backfield, tho. 

 

This dude has definitely had some moments. Cook, Hines, Harris, I'm good with that. I bet they still draft one...before, I said it'd be no later than fourth round but with this signing I'll say no later than sixth. 

Edited March 21, 2023 by blacklabel

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Oh yeah because everyone is clamoring to be the Texans backup! Good teams would never get a discount on a prove it deal with playing time!

 

We know what the league thinks of Singletary. He signed on to be a backup for the Texans in a 1 year deal LMAO.

 

Maybe you should try being a BILLS fan and not a Singletary fan. 

I don't know you from Adam but I know Kirbs. Without outing him the dude has worked in the NFL as a business, he knows what's going on... And if he's saying it than it's just not opinion in most cases. 

[Freddie's Dead]

Meh.  Have to wait to see the numbers.  Anything more than $3M and this doesn't look that good.

[Manther]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Hopkins isn't a thing. It's a pipedream. He has only this year and next year on his deal. A 36 million dollar cap hit this season and a 23 million dollar cap hit next year. There is no way to restructure him to where we could afford it. Even if we could do a new deal for him, there's no way Beane would carry both Diggs and Hopkins contract at the same time.

 

We're 18+ million over the cap next season also. A gamble on an less than market value deal with OBJ, sure. Hopkins cannot be done.

 

 

Nope. He's not coming in under Motor. Especially if his agent agreed to the deal after seeing what Motor got. 

You are most likely right, but, never say never.  I think they will be close.

[ArtVandalay]

We just added a new dimension to this offense.  LETS GOOOO!!!

 

 

 

[RocCityRoller]

18 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

You quoted as I deleted it, as I read a further post which suggested the reference might be referring to positions rather than single players. Get a legit number two WR through the door and I’ll be much happier. The RB room is decent providing Harris stays fit.

So 32 teams, 2 WR each = top 64. Even an American can do that math.

If our WR2 was worse than Top 64 I would agree with you.

But he's not. Far from it.

 

You do know our #2 was top 64 in yards, TDs, 1st downs per catch and yards per catch????

He was in fact top 40 in all of those categories.

Top 32-40 in most of them. Even top 15 in many.

 

The people TSW wanted to replace him did worse across the board last year, and I have proven it over and over again.

 

The issues last year were 1) poor OL, 2) rookie OC, 3) no WR3, 4) no run game

Fix those four things then look at WR2.

 

Beane's big splash was OG McGovern (#1 issue), Harty and Sherfield (#3 issue), Harris (#4 issue)

#2 comes with time an fixing the other issues.

 

Yours has not been addressed yet.. I wonder why.

Edited March 21, 2023 by RocCityRoller

[Maine-iac]

5 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Oh yeah because everyone is clamoring to be the Texans backup! Good teams would never get a discount on a prove it deal with playing time!

 

We know what the league thinks of Singletary. He signed on to be a backup for the Texans in a 1 year deal LMAO.

 

Maybe you should try being a BILLS fan and not a Singletary fan. 

Harris was a back up who signed here to get his 10 carries a game.  He's probably most famous for fumbling last yea and costing them a must win game.  He has a few inches about 10 pounds and and runs a 4.57 40.  He's not fast.  It's not like we signed Barkley.  Harris should be capable at being a little more physical than Singletary and hopefully does everything else roughly the same because Singletary was pretty good.  Anyone who thinks Motor didn't run hard wasn't watching as he put the Dolphins away in the playoffs.

[ArtVandalay]

Bigger, faster, stronger, better burst, better vision, more decisive. 

 

 

 

[RocCityRoller]

18 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Now let's focus on RT/ WR2.  This Harris signing will work nicely. 

Agree on RT

 

Don't get me kicked off TSW for a while for the argument about WR2.....

You know this is where our beautiful relationship struggles. 🤣

I make so many people here angry arguing about that.

 

Let's talk nice 😄

Even if I appreciate Gabe for who is is, even I know he is not a WR1.

 

Bergeron or bust R1-R2.

RT/ OG/ WR/ LB/ S are all ok with me.

 

You really do try to stir up trouble!

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

Just now, Maine-iac said:

Harris was a back up who signed here to get his 10 carries a game.  He's probably most famous for fumbling last yea and costing them a must win game.  He has a few inches about 10 pounds and and runs a 4.57 40.  He's not fast.  It's not like we signed Barkley.  Harris should be capable at being a little more physical than Singletary and hopefully does everything else roughly the same because Singletary was pretty good.  Anyone who thinks Motor didn't run hard wasn't watching as he put the Dolphins away in the playoffs.

 

 He's not nearly the receiver Singletary is and had a hard time staying in the lineup over the last 3 years. That doesn't even count barely seeing the field at all his rookie year.