TC in St. Louis Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Just wondering. If everybody played with the passion of London Fletcher, this would be a different game. I loved watching him when he was here in St. Louis, and was thrilled he went to our team. But there's something about Edmunds. I hope he stays. I don't care what he gets paid. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 London, dude was underrated and is a victim of fan “group think.” we should have never let him go. 5 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 What rules are we playing by? Today's or 20 years ago? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Fletcher, I’m not sure there’s a realistic argument to be made for Edmunds in this scenario. 5 7 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Most everyone on this board is going to say Fletcher for sure. The thing is, I don't think we have seen Edmunds in his prime yet. He had a good year last year, but it still seems like there is more there. Will he ever tap into that? I don't know. But I am not sure we can answer this question yet because I am not sure we have seen Edmunds' ceiling. 3 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Takeo Spikes! 1 1 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Cornelius Bennett 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 This should be a poll, but the answer is easily London Fletcher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 John ***** DiGiorgio. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Easy one for me, London Fletcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 (edited) That would have to depend upon the rest of the defensive roster and the role expected. Right now Edmunds is arguably the better fit here due to his pass-coverage skills and lack of LBs after Milano. I also think that Edmunds will play better elsewhere alongside two other LBs than in the 2 LB alignment we have here, largely due to neglect in keeping enough LBs on the roster, starting caliber ones anyway. Fletcher's the overall better LB though. If we wanted Fletcher, we should have drafted Nakobe Dean instead of Cook, he's going to thrive this season in Philly. Edited March 11, 2023 by PBF81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 16 minutes ago, sven233 said: Most everyone on this board is going to say Fletcher for sure. The thing is, I don't think we have seen Edmunds in his prime yet. He had a good year last year, but it still seems like there is more there. Will he ever tap into that? I don't know. But I am not sure we can answer this question yet because I am not sure we have seen Edmunds' ceiling. Good post, and I'd also l like to see him in a traditional alignment than in the monkey scheme that we have here because we can't get a third starting caliber LB on the roster after five years. This is going to be a very interesting offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 What people don’t realize is that in a version of Tampa 2 defense, a tall MLB is your best defense against skinny posts. That’s why Brian Urlacher was so good. London Fletcher would be a liability for this Bills team. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: What people don’t realize is that in a version of Tampa 2 defense, a tall MLB is your best defense against skinny posts. That’s why Brian Urlacher was so good. London Fletcher would be a liability for this Bills team. Agreed, it's hardly an apples-to-apples comparison. Your post actually jars loose some thoughts. They initially tried to stock a 4-3, but Beane's approach to stocking the LBs is similar to his approach for stocking the OL. Dumpster-diving and 1-2 year signees. Having a third non-starting caliber LB in there was also a liability. I'm assuming that's why they stopped trying that and went with what they're now doing. What will get very interesting is if Edmunds leaves, a seeming certainty now, is who they bring on. If it's more dumpster-diving, good luck to us. Edited March 11, 2023 by PBF81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 23 minutes ago, sven233 said: Most everyone on this board is going to say Fletcher for sure. The thing is, I don't think we have seen Edmunds in his prime yet. He had a good year last year, but it still seems like there is more there. Will he ever tap into that? I don't know. But I am not sure we can answer this question yet because I am not sure we have seen Edmunds' ceiling. He's played 5 full years. Whatever ceiling he has, we've seen it. Fletcher was a better all around LB with superior instincts. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Can we include John Holecek? When Ralph hired Whitey Donahoe the fan base was eating up every stupid move he made because he claimed to be doing it to fix the cap. In the midst of that he paid Holecek a $2M bonus and then cut him like 3 weeks later to save cap space. It went largely uncriticized because people were angry at John Butler and wanted to believe in Donahoe and "no fat chicks" Greggo. Very reminiscent of some of the dopey deals early in the the "Big Baller Beane is a Wizard" era that appears to have come and past. Will be interesting to see how Beane addresses the MLB hole in UFA. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: He's played 5 full years. Whatever ceiling he has, we've seen it. Fletcher was a better all around LB with superior instincts. I think that if you compare the first five seasons of each you'll see a different picture. Fletcher's best seasons by a wide margin were his seasons 6-10, his prime years. It's not fair to compare those to Edmund's pre-prime seasons. But to say that we've seen his ceiling when he isn't even in his prime yet is a bit premature, don't ya think. I mean Edmunds will only be 25 this season. Fletcher's best seasons were when he was 28-32. If you ask me, after he leaves we'll be talking about him like we do Teller. The team also doesn't use him entirely to his strengths. Watching him at VA Tech he was prolific. If he's in a similar role in the NFL he'll shine like Fletcher. Possibly better. The one area where he's already better than Fletcher is in his pass-coverage skills. His height helps with that. Edited March 11, 2023 by PBF81 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Ironically when Fletcher was here he was the whipping boy like Edmunds has been here. I loved Fletcher, but the irrational nonsense around here was almost the same as Edmunds. As the leader in tackles, all anyone here said over and over was that it didn’t matter, Fletcher made the tackles too far downfield because he sucks so he has to go. All he did was go on to KEEP being one of the best LBs in the game for a long time. Bills would go on to have crappier play at LB for a long time. Posters here were as wrong about Fletcher sucking as they are about Edmunds sucking. Im totally fine not resigning Edmunds for cap reasons, but he definitely doesn’t suck and he’s been better than the over exaggeration of his detractors around here claim. I wish him well in his next destination and I have a feeling he’s going to have continued and maybe even greater success elsewhere. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Tom Coussineau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiva Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Fletcher. Edmunds is/was a terrible lb who as a leader couldn’t establish an aggressive culture for the D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 42 minutes ago, teef said: John ***** DiGiorgio. It's not delivery, it's ***** DiGiorgio!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Fletcher easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 38 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: What people don’t realize is that in a version of Tampa 2 defense, a tall MLB is your best defense against skinny posts. That’s why Brian Urlacher was so good. London Fletcher would be a liability for this Bills team. Urlacher made plays. Edmunds doesn’t. Edmunds lack of big play ability makes him expendable to me. If our expectations are only for him to not mess up and be functional, then we will never win the Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 It’s already been said but give me Spikes all day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 The question is how good will Edmunds be when he reaches his prime. His development is on such an upward trajectory there is no telling how good he can be. The guy was 24 when he finished his time with us. Obviously we could not afford what he will get, but hopefully he stays out of the AFCE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 hour ago, pennstate10 said: What people don’t realize is that in a version of Tampa 2 defense, a tall MLB is your best defense against skinny posts. That’s why Brian Urlacher was so good. London Fletcher would be a liability for this Bills team. and why the defense will be tweaked finally. agreed 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Eastport bills said: The question is how good will Edmunds be when he reaches his prime. His development is on such an upward trajectory there is no telling how good he can be. The guy was 24 when he finished his time with us. Obviously we could not afford what he will get, but hopefully he stays out of the AFCE. He's also a fish out of water in our alignment, he knows that. All one has to do is watch VA Tech games with him to see that. Again, I think that after he leaves, once he's in a classic 4-3, we'll be talking about him next season just like talk about Teller and to a lesser extent Hodgins. Beane's dumpster-diving is catching up to him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Ray Bentley! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 2 hours ago, teef said: John ***** DiGiorgio. Are you talking about having Pizza delivered? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Completely different defenses. We play coverage with light boxes all day. Fletcher played with Spikes and Crowell and had big Pat and Sam Adams in front of him and Vincent and Milloy behind him. Edmunds is being asked to be the worlds largest strong safety yet still be our run stopping MLB. Pretty sure any LB would get exposed in the defense we run including Fletcher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 3 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: London, dude was underrated and is a victim of fan “group think.” we should have never let him go. Agreed 100%. He was the a product of Aaron schobel syndrome, good player on a bad team who takes way too plan when they aren’t close to the problem. but this isn’t really a fair comparison. Fletcher was already a starting MLB on his second team and was 27. TE is 24 so a better question would be would rather have Fletcher or TE at 27 (with 2 more years of starting experience)? I absolutely love Fletcher and he was more an instinctual MLB while TE is a freak physical talent. But I still kinda believe in the upside of TE and that’s why I hate losing him. But Fletcher is a guy who maximized his talent while we are just hoping that TE will and that would be the best MLB in the league. I get losing him but it sucks. 2 hours ago, Maynard said: It’s already been said but give me Spikes all day. Different positions brother. But that one year of prime spikes was one of the best defensive seasons in Bills history. Just another reason I hate Mike Vick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Fletcher was so much better than Edmunds cmon. I don’t even really want the guy back whatsoever. I’m ready to move on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 My initial thought was to say London even though I like Tremaine faults and all and wish we were getting him resigned. But London could be a liability in todays league with his coverage ability. Idk it’s actually a tougher question than I thought 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 34 minutes ago, PBF81 said: He's also a fish out of water in our alignment, he knows that. All one has to do is watch VA Tech games with him to see that. Again, I think that after he leaves, once he's in a classic 4-3, we'll be talking about him next season just like talk about Teller and to a lesser extent Hodgins. Beane's dumpster-diving is catching up to him. Beane needs his best offseason to keep us in the conversation for SB contender. I don’t know about you, but his FA misses and pedestrian drafts doesn’t give me much confidence. The guy has to bring in some difference makers on both sides of the ball. He passed on Edmunds and he was our best defender. He can get two good players for Edmunds tag money. Let’s see how aggressive he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 2 hours ago, PBF81 said: I think that if you compare the first five seasons of each you'll see a different picture. Fletcher's best seasons by a wide margin were his seasons 6-10, his prime years. It's not fair to compare those to Edmund's pre-prime seasons. But to say that we've seen his ceiling when he isn't even in his prime yet is a bit premature, don't ya think. I mean Edmunds will only be 25 this season. Fletcher's best seasons were when he was 28-32. If you ask me, after he leaves we'll be talking about him like we do Teller. The team also doesn't use him entirely to his strengths. Watching him at VA Tech he was prolific. If he's in a similar role in the NFL he'll shine like Fletcher. Possibly better. The one area where he's already better than Fletcher is in his pass-coverage skills. His height helps with that. London's rookie year he practically didn't play. His next 5 years he had better numbers than Edmunds. Fletcher Ints 6 Sacks 18 TFL 47 Edmunds Ints 5 Sacks 6.5 TFL 32 ....maybe Tremaine continues to grow & develop. But I just never see him being a playmaker LB. Hopefully he goes to the NFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Nothing against Fletcher but for today's NFL I'd go with Edmunds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Fletcher, and it's not close 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 5 hours ago, Kiva said: Fletcher. Edmunds is/was a terrible lb who as a leader couldn’t establish an aggressive culture for the D. A "terrible" LB? He is one of the top FA's out there right now. Opposing fans have a much higher estimation of him than some here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Should be a poll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 London Fletcher, and it's not close at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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