The Bills have a Tre White problem

[Buffalo_Stampede]

46 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

I think moving White to safety and hope he restructures is our best move

He’s not a safety.

[C.Biscuit97]

These injuries take 2 years before you get back to where you were. He will be fine. At the bottom of my list of things to worry about.

[KOKBILLS]

57 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

I think moving White to safety and hope he restructures is our best move

 

You think we have tackling problems now...Wait till you see Tre White at Safety...

[nuiwek]

I wasnt expecting him to be anywhere close to 100% this year. so id have to give him until next year. that kind of injury/surgery takes a LONG time to recover from

[Nextmanup]

5 hours ago, davefan66 said:

We don’t have a Tre White problem.

 

He will be back to form with a whole offseason.

You have no way of knowing that, any more than the OP has any idea that's washed up now!

 

It's a wait and see situation.

 

 

[billsfan89]

5 hours ago, Ramza86 said:

Hmmmm..I think he did get a little quicker as the season went on.

 

He looked SUPER SLOW those first 2-3 games, but I saw a little more burst to end the year.

 

I think hell get back to his form or at least close to it.

I am fairly confident in Tre for the same reason. Even though he was far from what he was he was trending in the right direction as he played more. Hopefully with some games under his belt and an off season worth of rest and treatment he will be back to his old self in 2023

[Mark Vader]

5 hours ago, BBills_88 said:

The same was said about Harrison Philips after he came back from his season ending injury, it took him damn near 2 years until he was playing normal and making plays. 

 

The same was also said about Kyle Williams after his serious knee injury.

 

We have to be patient with White.

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, nuiwek said:

I wasnt expecting him to be anywhere close to 100% this year. so id have to give him until next year. that kind of injury/surgery takes a LONG time to recover from

I think fans forgot what these injuries used to be like. They could have been career Enders and now they get mad if they aren’t back to being an all pro in months. 
 

Cam Akers rushed back from an Achilles injury in like 5 months. He was terrible and fans were calling him a huge bust. However during the last month of the season, he was one of the most productive rbs in football. Guess why? He was finally getting healthy. 
 

if I was an agent, I might tell may player to sit out 2 years if they have s major injury so they don’t get question. I will put money on White being a pro bowler next year. 

[CincyBillsFan]

28 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

These injuries take 2 years before you get back to where you were. He will be fine. At the bottom of my list of things to worry about.

I've repeatedly heard this from experts that I trust.  If anything White may be a little ahead of where you would expect him to be at this point.  I fully expect the old T White to be back next season.

 

 

[FireChans]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

No offense, but this post is way off base.  Many of us repeatedly told this board that it can take until the following season before a player comes fully back from this injury.  Yet this delusion persisted that not only was Tre gonna be ready week 1, but he’d quickly get back to his old self.  That was never likely going to happen no matter how many people tried to convince themselves otherwise.

 

Bills don’t have a Tre problem (at least not yet), they have a problem with inaccurate expectations on Tre from fans this past season.  
 

Tre may or may not get back to the player he was, but that was never really going to be known until next season.  

So you're predicting that Von will be a JAG next year then?

[davefan66]

11 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

You have no way of knowing that, any more than the OP has any idea that's washed up now!

 

It's a wait and see situation.

 

 

Based on others with similar injury, the large percentage have resumed their careers with little or no issues.  He’s a competitor so I feel confident he will do well.

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

So you're predicting that Von will be a JAG next year then?

Not to answer for him, but I think expecting Von to a dominant pass rusher next year seems a little far fetched. However, Miller at like 65% would still be our best pass rusher currently. 

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not to answer for him, but I think expecting Von to a dominant pass rusher next year seems a little far fetched. However, Miller at like 65% would still be our best pass rusher currently. 

Which isn't good enough and also not worth the huge cap dollars he's taking up....

[mjt328]

6 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

The whole Tre White situation to start the year was strange at first, but then you seen him get on the field, and you realized why he wasn't playing.  The guy was not very good this year at all.  Some will blame the injury, but how many games you going to give a guy till he is back to playing up to his very large payday?

 

I think White will never be what he was.  He looked old out there, even after just playing 5 or 6 games this year.  I also think his playing style limits the entire defense on the type of defense we can play.  He does not excel in press man and needs to play off guys.  I personally think this team needs to play more press man.  Tough to transition to that when your "number 1" CB and 16 million dollar man can't play it at a top level.

 

Problem with White is, you can't get out of his contract.  His dead cap is higher than if he is on the team.

 

The only option I really see, is if Taron Johnson takes over for Poyer at safety.  Tre moves to nickel corner where he will be less exposed on an island, and you bring in another press man outside CB to pair with Elam.  Elam's strength is press man and it was really head scratching you drafted him and then played him in a zone.

 

The problem is not age.  The problem absolutely is his ACL injury.

To answer your question, you should probably give him another season to regain form.

 

After this season, it should be pretty clear our coaches don't want their CBs to play much press-man coverage.  

That's why Elam struggled to get on the field.  Because he really doesn't fit their scheme and system.  

White doesn't limit what they can do.  Sean McDermott and Leslie Frazier do that to themselves.

 

They aren't moving Johnson.  My guess is that Poyer walks.  They may add a free agent, but it's also possible they plan on Micah Hyde and Damar Hamlin being the starters.  Beane also mentioned that Christian Benford may get a look there next season.

 

[BigAl2526]

I expect he'll be fine with an off season to fully recover and training camp to get back into his all pro form.  

[Alphadawg7]

31 minutes ago, FireChans said:

So you're predicting that Von will be a JAG next year then?

I didn’t say that.  I said it often takes players a season to get back into form.  But every player and every injury are different.  Really depends when Von is ready.  
 

But personally my expectations are low that he will be the same player as he was this year.  

[Back2Buff]

30 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

The problem is not age.  The problem absolutely is his ACL injury.

To answer your question, you should probably give him another season to regain form.

 

After this season, it should be pretty clear our coaches don't want their CBs to play much press-man coverage.  

That's why Elam struggled to get on the field.  Because he really doesn't fit their scheme and system.  

White doesn't limit what they can do.  Sean McDermott and Leslie Frazier do that to themselves.

 

They aren't moving Johnson.  My guess is that Poyer walks.  They may add a free agent, but it's also possible they plan on Micah Hyde and Damar Hamlin being the starters.  Beane also mentioned that Christian Benford may get a look there next season.

 

 

Hamlin and Hyde play the same position.

[GETTOTHE50]

a defensive back fields best friend is the defensive line.

 

get pressure and get the QB on the ground or his accuracy off. 

 

you will see any defensive back flourish with that

[harmonkillebrew]

I'd call this a salary cap problem.  Tre will eventually be fine, but maybe on the downside of his career. But will his cap hit be worth it?  Will Dawkins'? Morse's? Diggs'?  .... not a large window of being able to pay all these guys and not win a SB.  Beane will have to make some shrewd calls and draft really well to keep our window open.

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Most players yes, not most all pro quality players.

 

Injury happened at 27. He’ll be fine. He was already improving at the end.

 

He wasn't effective Sunday.

[Yantha]

7 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

The whole Tre White situation to start the year was strange at first, but then you seen him get on the field, and you realized why he wasn't playing.  The guy was not very good this year at all.  Some will blame the injury, but how many games you going to give a guy till he is back to playing up to his very large payday?

 

I think White will never be what he was.  He looked old out there, even after just playing 5 or 6 games this year.  I also think his playing style limits the entire defense on the type of defense we can play.  He does not excel in press man and needs to play off guys.  I personally think this team needs to play more press man.  Tough to transition to that when your "number 1" CB and 16 million dollar man can't play it at a top level.

 

Problem with White is, you can't get out of his contract.  His dead cap is higher than if he is on the team.

 

The only option I really see, is if Taron Johnson takes over for Poyer at safety.  Tre moves to nickel corner where he will be less exposed on an island, and you bring in another press man outside CB to pair with Elam.  Elam's strength is press man and it was really head scratching you drafted him and then played him in a zone.

 

 

Ya let him play out the contract and then let him walk if he does not improve.  

 

We need better depth at CB and I hope that he turns it around.

[Nitro]

Be realistic.  White was not up to his previous level of play.  It is not physical but mental.  Give him the off season to get his game back.   Not ready to kick him to the curb but he was average upon his return.   Patience is needed.

[frostbitmic]

7 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

 

What's a pass rush going to do when your CB has to play 5 yards off a player because he will get burned if he doesn't, and the QB just pops it out in 2 secs to the WR that has a 5 yard cushion?

 

 

All of their receivers had at least 5 yard cushions, we were playing the cover nobody defense.

[Bill from NYC]

7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

No offense, but this post is way off base.  Many of us repeatedly told this board that it can take until the following season before a player comes fully back from this injury.  Yet this delusion persisted that not only was Tre gonna be ready week 1, but he’d quickly get back to his old self.  That was never likely going to happen no matter how many people tried to convince themselves otherwise.

 

Bills don’t have a Tre problem (at least not yet), they have a problem with inaccurate expectations on Tre from fans this past season.  
 

Tre may or may not get back to the player he was, but that was never really going to be known until next season.  

Good post AD. That said, the Bills have a priority problem.

[HalftimeAdjustment]

The question is why did they play him when he wasn't doing well? Why not let him take more time to recover? I am not convinced he was an improvement in his condition.

 

I do think he will recover further.

[BillMafia716ix]

Tre definitely wasn’t the same player and rightfully so after the ACL. Hopefully this off-season he can get his legs back underneath him but Tre White play was definitely concerning. 

[Best Williams Available]

10 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

The fact that people actually liked the OP’s post shows the kind of posters that we have on this board lately

They have a small window when everyone is mad and 💩 posting to throw all their terrible ideas out there and hope someone is also crazy enough to hit 👍🏼. 

[Freddie's Dead]

Wow.  Most people take 18-24 months to fully recover from ACL surgery.  You're tossing him out WAY too early.

[Buffalo Super Fan]

It usually takes a full year after a injury like that but yes I think Tre White best football years are behind him and I would trade him if the Buffalo Bills can find a party interested. Get a number one pick and waive good bye because he is just average at best player now in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

It usually takes a full year after a injury like that but yes I think Tre White best football years are behind him and I would trade him if the Buffalo Bills can find a party interested. Get a number one pick and waive good bye because he is just average at best player now in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Just stupid stupid stupid
He’s not old

Nobody is giving up a first round pick for him

He is worth more to us than he is to anyone else

[Spiderweb]

22 hours ago, Ramza86 said:

Hmmmm..I think he did get a little quicker as the season went on.

 

He looked SUPER SLOW those first 2-3 games, but I saw a little more burst to end the year.

 

I think hell get back to his form or at least close to it.

Agreed!

[Teddy KGB]

Wannabee Doctor season is upon us ? 
 

 

[Buckets]

22 hours ago, bouds said:

He was terrible.  Just have to hope he bounces back.  Nothing more to it than that.  He's already getting up there in age, so regression was coming no matter what.

How old is Poyer?

[Mark80]

Amazing how clueless people still are about ACL recoveries.  Even after it has been discussed ad nauseam.

[finn]

Beane deserves all the blame he's getting for the O-line problems, but he was just snake-bit in the secondary. White, Poyer, Hyde, Johnson. That's a pro-bowl lineup across the board. 

 

Most optimistic view for next year: White returns to form, Hyde doesn't show his age yet, Elam turns into a star, and Beane or McDermott find an adequate strong safety. 

 

Most pessimistic: White remains a slow, grabby, hesitant player, Hyde starts his decline, Elam is a bust, and the strong safety is a liability. 

 

Most realistic: White and Elam improve but top out as average starters, Hyde starts strong but starts to fade by the end of the season; Benson or whoever is adequate but not much more. 

 

In short, the secondary should be better next year, but that's not saying much. 

 

 

[Don Otreply]

23 hours ago, T master said:

Any time i have ever seen a player have a ACL injury it takes a year for them to get back into form so i'm going to wait to see what next year brings with Tre i believe he will be working even harder to prove he is our guy once again .

Some fans (bless their hearts) seem to think being elevated from IR means they are 100% back from injury, when it actually means they can now start their long recovery process towards playing at the same pre injury level, takes a year plus from elevation from IR to get to that point.

Edited January 27, 2023 by Don Otreply

[Einstein]

23 hours ago, Big Turk said:

If he is not back to his old self by Thanksgiving next year then maybe. Way too early to say that now.

 

A CB, who was never a speedster, turning 29 next season, coming off of an ACL injury…. I wouldn’t expect him to ever be the Tre we knew again.

[Big Turk]

8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

A CB, who was never a speedster, turning 29 next season, coming off of an ACL injury…. I wouldn’t expect him to ever be the Tre we knew again.

 

He ran a 4.4 40...that is fast by anyone's definition.

 

Your other two points are mostly irrelevant to the conversation.

[Einstein]

10 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

He ran a 4.4 40...that is fast by anyone's definition.

 

4.47 actually. Which is closer to 4.5 than 4.4 but that wouldn’t fit your narrative. 4.47 is slow for a CB. That was always the knock on Tre coming out - he wasn’t super fast.

 

To put it into perspective, if he was in last years (2022) draft, he would have been the 16th fastest CB. Only 5 ran slower - 3 of those went undrafted and 1 was drafted in the 7th round.

 

10 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Your other two points are mostly irrelevant to the conversation.

 

Getting older and having an ACL injury at one point isn’t relevant to his future play? Er, ok.

 

Studies disagree.

[John from Riverside]

39 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

A CB, who was never a speedster, turning 29 next season, coming off of an ACL injury…. I wouldn’t expect him to ever be the Tre we knew again.

You are entitled to your opinion
My money is on Tre making a comeback

Edited January 27, 2023 by John from Riverside