The Ringer: Josh Allen Needs to Chill

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

25 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

They were basically worshiping Allen the first 6 weeks of the season cause of how good he was playing. Now he’s been turning the ball over a bunch and they’re rightfully being critical of that. It’s called being unbiased.

 

 He's had 9 turnovers during our 8 game winning streak and 1/3 of those came last week. He only had 6 turnovers in his last 7 games going into last week. If you want to say he turned it over a bunch last week, I'm with ya, but to say he's been turning it over a bunch when, what amounts to a half a season, he's averaging 1.1 a game. I can't say I agree with that assessment. Especially when the win streak start coincided with Josh having to play through a UCL injury. 

 

 Funny, he was turning the ball over at a greater rate in the first 9 games, we didn't hear nearly as much. He had 13 of them in his first 9 games. Really alot of this comes down to a 3 week stretch from late October through mid November. Against the Packers, Jets & Vikings when he had a total of 8 turnovers. Add this past Miami game in there and that's half his turnovers in 4 games, the other 13 games he's averaging less than 1 per game.

 

 

 

 

 

[gobills404]

33 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 He's had 9 turnovers during our 8 game winning streak and 1/3 of those came last week. He only had 6 turnovers in his last 7 games going into last week. If you want to say he turned it over a bunch last week, I'm with ya, but to say he's been turning it over a bunch when, what amounts to a half a season, he's averaging 1.1 a game. I can't say I agree with that assessment. Especially when the win streak start coincided with Josh having to play through a UCL injury. 

 

 Funny, he was turning the ball over at a greater rate in the first 9 games, we didn't hear nearly as much. He had 13 of them in his first 9 games. Really alot of this comes down to a 3 week stretch from late October through mid November. Against the Packers, Jets & Vikings when he had a total of 8 turnovers. Add this past Miami game in there and that's half his turnovers in 4 games, the other 13 games he's averaging less than 1 per game.

 

 

 

 

 

I specifically said since the first 6 weeks, as in after the bye week. Reading is hard.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

I specifically said since the first 6 weeks, as in after the bye week. Reading is hard.

 

 But again he's hasn't been turning the ball over a bunch during the winning streak, which is now a half a season in length. He had 1 bad game as far as turnovers are concerned.

 

 

 

[Sierra Foothills]

8 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Really good analysis. And yes, as the article shows, Allen is to blame, not Dorsey. The easy yards are there, but Josh has been a little too eager to take the home run swing (and miss).

 

I agree with the majority of your posts in this topic and elsewhere. However I don't agree completely with "Allen is to blame, not Dorsey." The analysis seems to indicate that the playcalling hasn't changed very much from Daboll to Dorsey. However what we cannot know and might be in play is the "MESSAGING" that Josh receives on a daily basis. Did Daboll wish Josh to be more disciplined and/or less agressive in his coaching? Is Dorsey a more lenient coach than Daboll?

 

THOSE are the things that none of us know.

 

8 hours ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

Good article. The heat maps are awesome. But, it doesn’t take fancy graphics to know that Sugar High Josh is less than the ideal Josh. 
 

I love his killer instinct, and his desire to force the ball to his guys to make plays. I don’t want that to change. I’ll ride or die with 17 until the end. 

 

We ALL love Josh and will ride or die with him. The question still remains, would he be a better/more effective QB is he dialed it back a bit? The unstated question in this article and discussion is what would make Josh Allen even more perfect?

 

8 hours ago, PaattMaann said:

 

except for when he takes the home run swings and hits

 

as pointed out by Greg Tompsett at Cover 1...."which 50 yard pass completion do you want to substitute for the 10 yard completion?"

 

Ill ride or die with him taking shots. 

 

Wrong takeaway. The question is "Which 50 yard incompletion/interception do you want to substittue for the 10 yard completion?"

 

8 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

If Josh bets like he plays, he’ll be broke in two years. 

 

No.

 

Using this analogy, the question is whether Josh could "make more money" by moderating his aggressiveness.

 

 

 

[CoudyBills]

8 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

big wrong josher

Guy clearly has a hard on for Josh

[Dr.Sack]

All I care about is winning.

[Motor26]

I like the aggressiveness of the deep shots vs. the Dolphins, a game they were never going to lose. I hope he picks and chooses his shots this week and mixes is shorter throws when appropriate. 

[K-9]

2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Josh Allen is not above constructive criticism.

And Josh Allen would be the first to admit that as he is his own worst critic. But his criticism would he informed and full of context. Talking head pundits? Not so much.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

"Harsh reality" coming from perennial bust Kordell Stewart saying that "Josh Allen is imploding". Absolutely ridiculous take that may stem from the fact that Big Ben took over as QB for the Steelers and won a Super Bowl right away. WOW...

 

“Josh Allen is imploding as we speak,” Allen said. “He falls outside of the top 5 for me.”

 

During the regular season, Allen completed 359 of 567 passes for 4,283 yards with 35 touchdown passes and 14 interceptions. His tendency to throw interceptions continued in the Wild Card 34-31 victory over the Miami Dolphins. He completed 23 of 39 passes for 352 yards with 3 TD passes and 2 interceptions.

 

Stewart went on to say that Allen is simply making “too many bonehead mistakes.”

 

https://clutchpoints.com/josh-allen-is-imploding-bills-qb-gets-harsh-reality-check-from-kordell-stewart

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Ok thanks Slash

 

 

[SinceThe70s]

 

I think Kordell is wrong. Anyone here think Kordell is right?  And has Neil O'Donnell weighed in yet? Enquiring minds want to know.

[KDIGGZ]

As per his ex wife, they don't call him Slash just because he plays multiple positions. He also plays for both teams if you know what I mean

[Saint Doug]

Maybe this dude has too many undiagnosed concussions. Anyways, Kordell Stewart was imploding each week. Speaks to how well The Jaw coached. 

[Since1981]

Fins game was a win. 
but Dorsey and Allen kept attacking what the D was giving them. It’s a cliche. But if Fins D is giving the long ball, it doesn’t mean Bills HAVE to hit it every down. They “dared” Josh/Dorsey to play long ball. It’s risky for both sides. 
 

Didn’t mean Josh sucked. But he and Dorsey have to keep sanity on long balls. You know tigers will mimic the fish

[billsfan714]

Im waiting for Bubby Brister to weigh in.

[SinceThe70s]

41 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

Im waiting for Bubby Brister to weigh in.

 

Not sure I can take a firm stand either way until I hear from Charlie Batch too.

[BigAl2526]

We'll see what Buffalo does against a different defense than the one he faced versus Miami.

[Special K]

1 hour ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

https://clutchpoints.com/josh-allen-is-imploding-bills-qb-gets-harsh-reality-check-from-kordell-stewart

 

Josh's reply to Kordell Stewart:

 

[JESSEFEFFER]

9 hours ago, Patrick Duffy said:

Well the one to Brown wasn't Josh's fault....that was all Brown that one. If Brown does what he was suppose to then that's another TD

Josh and McD both said it was on Josh as a poor decision.  I wonder if they mean about where Josh chose to locate it or whether he should have targeted Brown at all.  JB had trouble finding it, looking over his right shoulder then his left.  The DB saw it the whole way.

[purple haze]

12 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I'll read it soon, but again Shakir catches a perfect pass and Brown doesn't break off route (and probably just an incompletion) what happened afterwards doesn't happen and they are lauding perfect deep throws by Allen.

Smoke was still in position to make a catch.  The DB just made a good play. Smoke needs to attack the ball and break that interception up.  That was the biggest issue.

[ALLEN1QB]

Trade him for Lamar Jackson and a 1st.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Why can't we let Josh be Josh ?

[LeGOATski]

13 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Why can't we let Josh be Josh ?

The Bills do, at least. I got no problem with it.

[Nelius]

Nerd articles like this make me want even more insane Josh. I hope he runs 15 times on Sunday in between slinging bombs.

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

11 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

I agree with the majority of your posts in this topic and elsewhere. However I don't agree completely with "Allen is to blame, not Dorsey." The analysis seems to indicate that the playcalling hasn't changed very much from Daboll to Dorsey. However what we cannot know and might be in play is the "MESSAGING" that Josh receives on a daily basis. Did Daboll wish Josh to be more disciplined and/or less agressive in his coaching? Is Dorsey a more lenient coach than Daboll?

 

THOSE are the things that none of us know.

 

 

We ALL love Josh and will ride or die with him. The question still remains, would he be a better/more effective QB is he dialed it back a bit? The unstated question in this article and discussion is what would make Josh Allen even more perfect?

 

 

Wrong takeaway. The question is "Which 50 yard incompletion/interception do you want to substittue for the 10 yard completion?"

 

 

No.

 

Using this analogy, the question is whether Josh could "make more money" by moderating his aggressiveness.

 

 

 

See, this is the thing. I don’t think you can make him more perfect. This is who he is. Asking him not to use the Canon that God gave him, is going to prevent A LOT of the magic that everyone loves. He’s not Mahomes. He has that mind control over the ball. Allen has that farm strength. Two different and incredibly enviable traits for two entirely different guys. No one would dream of asking Mahomes to stop softball tossing TD’s inside the 3.

 

Like I said, ride or die. 

[Fallser]

20 hours ago, ALLinALLEN said:

I'll pass on his assessment 

 

I have vegetables in my fridge that are older than this kid.

[C.Biscuit97]

22 hours ago, ALLinALLEN said:

I'll pass on his assessment 

I listen to him on Simmons and he talks about the football nerds like he isn’t kne. This is why I take some of the analytic stuff with a grain of salt.

 

that said, it’s kinda true but it’s also what we have to accept with Allen. If the Fins qb is anyone but a dude named Skylar, that would be a loss. I fully believe in Allen and don’t want to take his aggressiveness away but I won’t hate him being more careful with the ball now that we are playing better teams. 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Supposedly Josh doesn’t listen to all the outside noise but it’s been pretty heavy on him all week. 
 

I wouldn’t be surprised if he puts on a clinic.. .I am actually feeling really good about this game. 

[stosh64]

5 hours ago, Nelius said:

Nerd articles like this make me want even more insane Josh. I hope he runs 15 times on Sunday in between slinging bombs.

Writers like this came up with the phrase "Arm Arrogance".

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

See, this is the thing. I don’t think you can make him more perfect. This is who he is. Asking him not to use the Canon that God gave him, is going to prevent A LOT of the magic that everyone loves. He’s not Mahomes. He has that mind control over the ball. Allen has that farm strength. Two different and incredibly enviable traits for two entirely different guys. No one would dream of asking Mahomes to stop softball tossing TD’s inside the 3.

 

Like I said, ride or die. 

 

I appreciate your opinion but don't agree.

 

When McDermott speaks of a "growth mindset" and when Josh Allen states that his offseason goals is to work on ball placement to increase his receivers' yards after catch, they're both talking about self-improvement.

 

That doesn't mean fundamentally changing how one plays the game, that means incremental improvements in certain areas.

 

I'm talking about a minor adjustment that could affect 1-2 throws per game.

[RunTheBall]

Just win baby.

 

Enjoy the ride.

 

Many posters here need to gain some perspective. We are a perennial playoff team with a Top 3 QB and are going to be competitive for years after decades of futility. 

 

Who cares what the talking heads and armchair film analysts say? It means zero. Once you are in the playoffs anything goes and you need luck along with great execution.

 

Josh adjusts game to game. Take a deep breath, relax. Josh will take a couple check downs this game, he will still take deep shots. I don’t think it’s going to be a shootout unless we fall behind big and quick. I’m seeing a more ball control game from us with running the ball, moving the sticks and taking shots when warranted. If we need to, then Josh will put the game on his back/legs and bombs away! 

[SirAndrew]

6 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Why can't we let Josh be Josh ?

I blame the Brady phenomenon. Historically the NFL had elite QB’s who succeeded by taking risks, and making aggressive downfield throws. Brady wins seven Super Bowl with the short passing game, and it all changes. I think that style has now become accepted as the “right” way to build an offense and elite QB. 

[BuffaloBill]

23 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

These kinds of articles are lay ups.  Easy, boring, kind of saying the obvious.  

Allen is a gunslinger. It's what makes Bills games the best, most watchable football in the NFL.  It's a rollercoaster, take your blood pressure meds and enjoy the ride.

 

 

I love your comment but gunslinging turned last week’s game into far more of as challenge than it needed to be.  The question is can Josh, or will Josh, learn to dial it down when the situation calls for him to dial it down?   The Bills could have and should have won the Miami game easily.  From a an entertainment perspective this would have been boring.  From the team is trying to win the Lombardi, this would have been excellent.

 

Conjecture, but what would it have been worth to have pulled all of the starters in the 3Q because the game was cleanly put away?  

 

I know this post sounds like moaning after a key victory.  However, in a “one game live or die” season that the playoffs represent, a “dial down” capability and willingness might really have helped the team.

 

With all of that said, I would want no other QB in the league right now.  The ride is wild and fun.

[DCOrange]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

I love your comment but gunslinging turned last week’s game into far more of as challenge than it needed to be.  The question is can Josh, or will Josh, learn to dial it down when the situation calls for him to dial it down?   The Bills could have and should have won the Miami game easily.  From a an entertainment perspective this would have been boring.  From the team is trying to win the Lombardi, this would have been excellent.

 

Conjecture, but what would it have been worth to have pulled all of the starters in the 3Q because the game was cleanly put away?  

 

I know this post sounds like moaning after a key victory.  However, in a “one game live or die” season that the playoffs represent, a “dial down” capability and willingness might really have helped the team.

 

With all of that said, I would want no other QB in the league right now.  The ride is wild and fun.

I kinda agree but also still feel like if our WRs just caught the accurate passes, we win that game easily despite the way Allen was attacking.

 

But Allen definitely made the game harder than it needed to be as well.