Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

[TheBrownBear]

23 minutes ago, Mango said:

I agree. If we have 2 of the top 10 WR’s in the entire league, we would be all set at that position.
 

If we grab Justin Herbert I don’t think we would need a back up QB either. Travis Kelce would really set up our TE room nicely….

Now pair that talent with the Bosa brothers and maybe bring in a Micah Parsons as a situational pass rusher.  You'd have to think that would have us competing for a #1 seed if we could swing it.

[LabattBlue]

Only played in 9 games this season, 10 games last season, have to give up assets to acquire, wrong side of 30…

 

 

hard no.  

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

Actually not painless as you now need to spend money to replace him.  And not at all saying they should keep him.  My point is Saffords money is likely going to his replacement.  Same with Poyer or Edmunds.

 

You can draft some of the replacements for some of these guys, but don't think that makes much sense to have a bunch of rookies starting and replacing key players when in a win now mode.

 

Coming up with the money is the easy part.  The question is where is it best spent, not so sure you want to spend it to have two WR's both being paid top $$.  While I agree we need better play from WR position, based on past few years of what's happened around the league, think you could draft a rookie in 1st round, start him and get the improvement we need plus sign a mid tier guy for backup due to injury.  Having a QB like Allen makes any WR look much better too so don't need top level as much.

 

With limited money to use, think it's better spent on mid tier WR, IOL, and maybe S to start to fill holes.

If you go upthread, that was my original point. 

As far as Saffold and painless, I really only meant cutting him is not a problem based on his level of play. I also assume an early round draft pick will be spent on IOL. It certainly should be.

[BlazinBill]

I mean I kind of think his production dropped after being positive for PED's.

Don't get me wrong he's good I just don't see him as culture in Buffalo - would rather get somebody else. But also wouldn't complain if we got him- so essentially I apparently can't make up my mind on it and to me it's meh

[Real McClappy]

1 hour ago, WMDman said:

id rather draft somebody

We honestly do have to start grooming someone behind Diggs the next 2-3 years that can take over #1.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

25 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

It's easy. You replace Edmunds with a rookie instead of Gabe. They should cost around the same.

 

Except you've likely weakened the defense more than you strengthened the offense.   As we saw this year the games Edmunds missed there was a significant drop off in play.  Now you want to replace him with a rookie!  One who assuming we win this weekend will be drafted no higher than 25.

 

You can find rookies with good tackling skills  and maybe also great speed, real ball hawks!  But the one thing that separates Edmunds from most is his size and amount of ground he covers.  And if you can find a rookie with size, he's still a rookie.  It took Edmunds 4 seasons to look good.

 

[Augie]

20 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Except you've likely weakened the defense more than you strengthened the offense.   As we saw this year the games Edmunds missed there was a significant drop off in play.  Now you want to replace him with a rookie!  One who assuming we win this weekend will be drafted no higher than 25.

 

You can find rookies with good tackling skills  and maybe also great speed, real ball hawks!  But the one thing that separates Edmunds from most is his size and amount of ground he covers.  And if you can find a rookie with size, he's still a rookie.  It took Edmunds 4 seasons to look good.

 

 

Well said! 

 

But he’s still younger than…oh never mind. 

 

 

Wait, what is this about again? 

 

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Edited January 10, 2023 by Augie

[CDogg20]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Diggs signing off on this would be necessary. We don't want an ego battle. Once this deal is done maybe we can coax JJ out of retirement for a 2 year deal to pair on the other side with Von. Rotate Groot as the 3rd DE.  Then draft OL heavy.  Guys come out of retirement all the time?

Gronk too. Don’t forget Gronk 🤣

[HappyDays]

For a 2nd it's a no brainer. Money might be an issue. But Allen has said before he is willing to restructure his contract to put a better team around him. I'm sure he would love to have a jump ball receiver like Hopkins so I think we could make it work. I don't care if he's on the wrong side of 30, he is still a game changer and our Super Bowl window isn't going away any time soon.

[BullBuchanan]

35 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Except you've likely weakened the defense more than you strengthened the offense.   As we saw this year the games Edmunds missed there was a significant drop off in play.  Now you want to replace him with a rookie!  One who assuming we win this weekend will be drafted no higher than 25.

 

You can find rookies with good tackling skills  and maybe also great speed, real ball hawks!  But the one thing that separates Edmunds from most is his size and amount of ground he covers.  And if you can find a rookie with size, he's still a rookie.  It took Edmunds 4 seasons to look good.

 

There definitely wasn't the first game at all. Dodson filled in admirably. That said, the plan isn't to replace Edmunds with Dodson, it's to replace with with an equal and ideally superior player.

[Mango]

55 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Now pair that talent with the Bosa brothers and maybe bring in a Micah Parsons as a situational pass rusher.  You'd have to think that would have us competing for a #1 seed if we could swing it.

A lot of teams would be pleased if they could get Jaire Alexander and Sauce Gardner on the field at the same time. 

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, WMDman said:

id rather draft somebody

same.  May not be many top end WRs left at 30.  That said, perhaps a lower priced Fa and OL upgrades.  

[Mr. WEO]

hard pass

[GunnerBill]

Trading for DHop on his current deal is a non-starter for Buffalo. Now if the Cards were to release him and he wanted a 1 year ring chase deal? I am all in.

 

DHop played in 9 games this year. He averaged 80 yards a game. That would still have him top 10 right among the other elite guys. And this despite the fact he only played 4 games with Kyler. The other 5 starts came with Colt McCoy (3), David Blough (1) and Trace McSorely (1) at QB. He averaged 99 yards per game with Kyler. That would put him 3rd in the NFL.... behind Jefferson and Hill.

 

He is still right up there with the best in the NFL. I said before the season that I still thought DHop and Hill were both elite against the narrative of them slowing down. I still think they are both elite. 

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

But the Cardinals want Murray's input on the HC.

 

Murray: Coach do you like Call of Duty?

Coach: Whats that?

Murray: Next!

 

As to the thread... I would love Hopkins here on the other side of Diggs.  I just dont think the Bills can afford it.  Restructures or not.

Edited January 11, 2023 by Scott7975

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Trading for DHop on his current deal is a non-starter for Buffalo. Now if the Cards were to release him and he wanted a 1 year ring chase deal? I am all in.

 

DHop played in 9 games this year. He averaged 80 yards a game. That would still have him top 10 right among the other elite guys. And this despite the fact he only played 4 games with Kyler. The other 5 starts came with Colt McCoy (3), David Blough (1) and Trace McSorely (1) at QB. He averaged 99 yards per game with Kyler. That would put him 3rd in the NFL.... behind Jefferson and Hill.

 

He is still right up there with the best in the NFL. I said before the season that I still thought DHop and Hill were both elite against the narrative of them slowing down. I still think they are both elite. 

 

 

It's been a few years since he did that for a full season.

[khlax3]

If we are going to make a trade for a wr I think the better play would be cooks from Houston. He likely could be had for a 3rd or 4th and without any restructure I believe his cap hit is 16.5 next year if he is traded. He is on record saying that he doesn’t want to be part of Houston’s rebuild. 

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

It's been a few years since he did that for a full season.

 

Fair but his last full season number puts him right there with Stef and behind only JJ, Hill, Adams and AJ Brown. He is still an elite receiver. 

 

Is he as reliable in terms of availability as he was? Maybe not. But on a 1 year ring chase swing it is 100% a swing I'd take. Whether he'd do that I don't know. Depends how bad he wants to win.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Fair but his last full season number puts him right there with Stef and behind only JJ, Hill, Adams and AJ Brown. He is still an elite receiver. 

 

Is he as reliable in terms of availability as he was? Maybe not. But on a 1 year ring chase swing it is 100% a swing I'd take. Whether he'd do that I don't know. Depends how bad he wants to win.

 

 

His suspension last season gives some hint as to how much...

[Zerovoltz]

This looks like it could be a situation where you offer AZ a higher pick in exchange for them to eat some of D Hops salary.  AZ has the space to do it...if they are going to do a mini rebuild it might be worth it for them to obtain the picks.

[NeverOutNick]

2 hours ago, Simon said:

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Sorry boss I don’t know how to go back and edit titles because I don’t create new threads often but can you just call it Hopkins may be traded?

Edited January 11, 2023 by NeverOutNick

[Orlando Tim]

I would love his talent but his price tag is much too high especially since he was been injured a bunch this year

[RichRiderBills]

I wonder what to take to get him. Heck ya, I would be interested. Then again...at what price?

 

I think Hopkins has great hands and will have a long career, but he's going to be # 2 here.

 

Just a matter of cost. He's probably my #1 guy to look into this year.

[BuffaloBills1998]

He’s guaranteed 30 million next season. Unless he’d be willing to accept both a trade here and a major restructure then it’s a hard pass

[GolfandBills]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

He’s guaranteed 30 million next season. Unless he’d be willing to accept both a trade here and a major restructure then it’s a hard pass

We’d have to release half the roster lol

[Goin Breakdown]

I would love this if it happened. 

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:

As long as he doesn’t get paid more than Diggs I think it’ll be fine. We would be set for the next few years while we’re in prime dynasty window. Josh needs reliability outside of Diggs and this would be it

 

Typically WR2's only get one contract unless they get promoted to WR1 and you replace them in the draft...see Robert Woods.

 

Not enough money to give a big contract to a WR2.

 

Only positions that typically see big contracts on elite teams are:

 

QB 

WR1 

TE1 

LT 

C/G(maybe) 

 

DE 

DT(maybe) 

CB 

MLB(maybe)

S 

 

 

Edited January 11, 2023 by Big Turk

[BuffaloBills1998]

Just now, GolfandBills said:

We’d have to release half the roster lol

And Hopkins isn’t worth that. My guess is that GB might be a target destination for him and that would help Rodgers keep his mouth shut on the FO not surrounding him with any weapons. 

2 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I would love this if it happened. 

It won’t. Beane isn’t trading for a 31 year old WR who’s guaranteed 30 million next year. 

[Goin Breakdown]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

And Hopkins isn’t worth that. My guess is that GB might be a target destination for him and that would help Rodgers keep his mouth shut on the FO not surrounding him with any weapons. 

It won’t. Beane isn’t trading for a 31 year old WR who’s guaranteed 30 million next year. 

Bean does some Magical things, but I agree, it probably won't happen. He'd be the # 2 we'd need though. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

8 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Bean does some Magical things, but I agree, it probably won't happen. He'd be the # 2 we'd need though. 

No doubt he would be. But I think Beane is going to address WR 2 in the draft. But like you said Beane can do magical things

[HOUSE]

This is exactly the kind of trade the Browns fall for every season.

They woo the fans with elite talent then miss the playoffs

[Buffalo03]

4 hours ago, Einstein said:

I worry about paying a soon to be 31 receiver. He is great though.

He's still great though. Who cares?

[NeverOutNick]

Correct me if I’m wrong but because Hopkins had a 27 mil signing bonus isn’t he only owed $34 million over the next 2 years or $17mil/year? That’s actually reasonable if he’d be willing to stick it out and not renegotiate

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

There definitely wasn't the first game at all. Dodson filled in admirably. That said, the plan isn't to replace Edmunds with Dodson, it's to replace with with an equal and ideally superior player.

 

Great who is that guy?

[mikemac2001]

Idk that would be a nasty duo - Hopkins or diggs would be singled up every play and they are great 1 v 1 

 

if you could make the cap work for 2 years damn it would be crazy 

[BullBuchanan]

6 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Great who is that guy?

Trenton Simpson

[Billznut]

41 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Correct me if I’m wrong but because Hopkins had a 27 mil signing bonus isn’t he only owed $34 million over the next 2 years or $17mil/year? That’s actually reasonable if he’d be willing to stick it out and not renegotiate

Hopkins has a no trade clause. So I doubt he’d be willing to come to Buffalo or really almost anywhere without getting a new contract as a condition of him waiving his no trade. 

[purple haze]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

I think it's a little too reckless, personally.

 

Diggs was seen as a good receiver, a potential #1, before he got here. He hadn't made a pro bowl. Now he is seen as a truly elite #1 receiver.

 

Find someone like the pre-Bills Diggs. Someone who clearly has potential, but hasn't realized it fully yet.

He was seen in league circles as a guy who was a #1.  The draft capital the Bills spent on Diggs is not given up for a potential #1.   Diggs was stuck in a run first offense and getting him in a passing offense would allow him to be himself.  

[thenorthremembers]

Would take him in a second but one of two things is going to need to happen.  The Cards are going to have to eat a big portion of his contract pre June 1st or the Bills are going to have to send a substantial player back to help cover the cap space post June 1st.

 

Bills should 100% be looking into Hopkins, Mike Evans. Michael Thomas and Brandin Cooks in the off season via trade 

[Chicken Boo]

This is a dumb move by the Cardinals if they want to help Murray, BUT if there's a rift between Hopkins and Kyler, then I get it.

 

Talent is always welcome, but Hopkins doesn't seem like a good fit here in this offense.  He'd be great in KC, however. 🫠