Virgil Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) I know there’s been a lot of ups and downs this season. Seriously, lesser teams would have folded up shop by now. It’s sucks to lose the one seed like we did. It hurts wondering if Von and Hyde will cost us in the playoffs. But as I see Black Monday roll around, front offices reaching out to any potential future coaches, praying they can turn their losing team around, thinking about the draft and FA, already, it makes me so appreciative for what we have. 5 years ago, our season would have started today. We would have been wishing for the next HC, draft pick, quarterback would could save us. Today, I see all these articles about interviews and players retiring, etc, and I’m just thankful. I never, EVER, doubt what we have as being elite talent and support. Is it SB worthy, maybe and maybe not. But I know we are so far ahead of 90% of the league and have the right core to keep fighting. We have the best fan base in the league, best possible QB for this team, and setup for success for years to come. Go Bills Edited January 10, 2023 by Virgil 13 2 18 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Some Jets fans HOPING to get Derek Carr next year says it all… Like …this is their dream going into next season … We are so fortunate in comparison to that..: 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Brandon has had his misses in the draft see Boogie Basham and Cody Ford but damn if he isn’t one of the best evaluators of middle to late rounds picks. Great GM just hope he drafts a WR high next year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I'll be appreciative when we win the Super Bowl. 2 2 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Russ Brandon let's fûcking gooooooooo!!!! Oh damn sorry I just woke up from a 15 year coma. Wrong guy. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, Joe Ferguson said: I'll be appreciative when we win the Super Bowl. I'll be appreciative when you stop posting 5 2 4 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) Maybe, they could be saying something about this… 2023 Bills Away: Patriots, Dolphins, Jets, Commanders, Chiefs, Chargers, Eagles, Bengals Seriously? 3 years in a row @ Arrowhead? And @ Cinci 2x? WTF!!! Edited January 10, 2023 by Billsatlastin2018 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, Billsatlastin2018 said: Maybe, they could be saying something about this… Bills Away: Patriots, Dolphins, Jets, Commanders, Chiefs, Chargers, Eagles, Bengals Seriously? 3 years in a row @ Arrowhead? And @ Cinci 2x? WTF!!! Bro holy ***** This has been spelled out on this forum one million times, including in a thread near the top of this very page It's all a formula set into play years and years ago, you can predict 2500's schedule by the formula, with 3 games floating based on what place you fall in your division The same mechanism that gave us @ KC three years in a row just gave us Pit at home 3 years in a row It's literally required in the formula that this happens, or else you don't play all AFC divisions or play more games at home than on the road in the AFC 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I am grateful. 😉 Thanks Virgil ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I'd just like to say that it's unfair that Brandon Beane has never had his balls washed relentlessly since 2019 by Bills fans and local or national media and you just NOW want to show him and his unheralded team of never mentioned as future GM's some appreciation. SMH 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 We are a bit spoiled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 This team needs to make a Superbowl 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Nice post Virgil It also starts with great ownership Thank you Terry and Kim 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) Appreciate the post Virgil. Count me among the grateful for all that we have. As a Bills fan for over four decades, I have been through my share of heartache, misery, lather, rinse and repeat. Of the Bills finding new ways to rip your heart out of your chest, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. When the McDermott hire was made, it was more of a "meh", let's see what the guy can do. When he brought Beane on board, I actually remember thinking to myself, "wait, why is the head coach selecting our GM? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around? Here we go with some already instant Billsy type moves.". And then, fast forward to Thursday evening, April 26th, 2018. A night that would come to change my life, forever. The Bills were drafting 12th that night, there were rumors that Beane/McDermott were seriously considering making the jump higher into the first to go after their franchise quarterback. After the sixth pick, it was announced that they had pulled the trigger, and made a trade with Tampa to pick seventh. "This is it," I thought to myself. We're going after Josh! With Mayfield going one overall and Darnold going at three to the Jets, Josh was still there for the taking!!! Then, I heard it. "With the seventh pick in the NFL draft, the Buffalo Bills select Josh Allen, quarterback, Wyoming." I threw the TV remote all the way across the room. I vomited violently. I tried to Patrick Swayze Roadhouse kick my flat screen off of the wall, unsuccessfully. I was instantly suicidal. The Bills did it to me again. They picked the WRONG JOSH! I was squarely in the Josh Rosen camp, and just knew we would finally get things right. Let me just say, that Josh Allen crow, never tasted so good. I thank God every day that our team was entrusted to Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane, and if there was a better way to express my gratitude for everything they've done for this organization, I'm happy to do so. The turnaround, the positive changes they have brought to our team, and ultimately our city, simply can't be overstated. We are without a doubt an elite football team, and have become such a successful franchise, we actually have nitpicked and argued about the problems/flaws with a team that just finished the regular season 13-3, despite countless injuries, a mass shooting, a blizzard that killed 40 plus people, having to relocate to a different stadium due to weather, the witnessing of a teammate collapse and die on the field....yet failed to lose a game through any of those things. And the three losses? A COMBINED total of 8 points. If there's a better coach/GM combo out there....I don't want em. I'm more than happy with what we've been blessed with. Edited January 10, 2023 by smuvtalker 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson said: I'll be appreciative when we win the Super Bowl. Come on. Even Patriots fans are more nuanced than this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Dick_Cheney said: Russ Brandon let's fûcking gooooooooo!!!! Oh damn sorry I just woke up from a 15 year coma. Wrong guy. In that case , we have some great news for you, on both the decade you were fortunate enough to miss and what’s happened since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Big picture, yes, the front office, the coach, the culture, are upper echelon in the league and a galaxy removed from the drought years. But now’s not the time to wax poetic. The team’s primary issues are OL and secondary right now. Beane got duped by a washed Saffold in his contract year and overpaid/promoted Bates who looks to be better suited for spot duty. He neglected OL in the draft to the point of reaching for special teams LB in the third round! Also, he traded up for Elam who became a healthy scratch in the back half of the season. This team has to get over the hump. They deserve credit for building to this point, but there’s no free rides henceforth. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I'll be appreciative when you stop posting Amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: I'd just like to say that it's unfair that Brandon Beane has never had his balls washed relentlessly since 2019 by Bills fans and local or national media and you just NOW want to show him and his unheralded team of never mentioned as future GM's some appreciation. SMH @T master is that you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Booey Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, arcane said: Bro holy ***** This has been spelled out on this forum one million times, including in a thread near the top of this very page It's all a formula set into play years and years ago, you can predict 2500's schedule by the formula, with 3 games floating based on what place you fall in your division The same mechanism that gave us @ KC three years in a row just gave us Pit at home 3 years in a row It's literally required in the formula that this happens, or else you don't play all AFC divisions or play more games at home than on the road in the AFC Time to change it dude is all he is asking. It’s a terrible system. Relax!!! He’s right by the way. Edited January 10, 2023 by Baba Booey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Baba Booey said: Time to change it dude is all he is asking. It’s a terrible system. Relax!!! He’s right by the way. I do need to relax, but people have complained about this every single day for the past 2 years, it gets tiresome to read. It is unfixable UNLESS you start to make things ACTUALLY random and arbitrary, which is what people don't want because they think it's what causes quirks like going to one place 3 years in a row. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 46 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: @T master is that you? Do you really think the front office hasn't gotten its due time and again for the past few years? I can see the coaching staff getting added props for this year in particular..........Daboll was "bad year Sam Wyche" for stretches of last season(and good year Sam Wyche for the Giants this season) and that put them on the road in the divisional round. I think McDermott and Dorsey did a better combined coaching job this season...........working together thru a more difficult schedule and getting more out of lesser/diminished talent in the receiving corps. But I didn't love the draft.........the free agent decisions were too heavily toward the defense...............and worst of all I think their approach took a great physical toll on Josh Allen this season. Two straight years of Josh Allen having to play both QB1 and RB1 to win despite a massive investment in defense is an indictment of personnel decisions on that side of the ball. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Dick_Cheney said: Russ Brandon let's fûcking gooooooooo!!!! Oh damn sorry I just woke up from a 15 year coma. Wrong guy. I'm sorry to break this to you sir, Ralph Wilson did not make it to 102 years old & has in fact passed away. But congrats on recovery from the coma! At least you missed the Rex Ryan years! 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Do you really think the front office hasn't gotten its due time and again for the past few years? I can see the coaching staff getting added props for this year in particular..........Daboll was "bad year Sam Wyche" for stretches of last season(and good year Sam Wyche for the Giants this season) and that put them on the road in the divisional round. I think McDermott and Dorsey did a better combined coaching job this season...........working together thru a more difficult schedule and getting more out of lesser/diminished talent in the receiving corps. But I didn't love the draft.........the free agent decisions were too heavily toward the defense...............and worst of all I think their approach took a great physical toll on Josh Allen this season. Two straight years of Josh Allen having to play both QB1 and RB1 to win despite a massive investment in defense is an indictment of personnel decisions on that side of the ball. Oh I agree completely. This front office has been generating media likes for years but has yet to find a SINGLE free agent value signing. Mike Brown’s accountant’s nephew or whomever is running the Bengals’ skeletal pro personnel department is running laps around them. Cook has had a few nice games to close the season but beyond that they got close to zero production out of the 2022 draft which is a bad sign with Allen’s monster cap hit looming. This front office needs to start cashing the checks its been writing for the past four years. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 11 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said: I'll be appreciative when we win the Super Bowl. Lets just get this guy his super bowl t-shirt so he can wear it next time he's out trying to find out what happened to the Two Guys store on Walden Avenue. that ought to be enough. just tell him they won the SB a couple years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 14 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: I am grateful. 😉 Thanks Virgil ! Agreed, so grateful. This is all I ever wanted was an opportunity to compete annually and have the organization built from the top down. Let's not forget the Pegula's and how they led building this including improving the facilities, training staff, hired this excellent front office and coaching staff, gave them the tools to succeed including the money for players, coaches, scouts, and very deep management staffs! Well said Virgil and great post! The draft used to be our Super Bowl and nothing less than hope and a prayer. Free agency was retreads being over paid IF we got them, coaches would not come here. We can finally have and enjoy nice things! Enjoy the ride, go Bills and let's bring the trophy home this year! If we don't we are still winning and will fight on my men and rise to fight again! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 14 hours ago, Airseven said: Big picture, yes, the front office, the coach, the culture, are upper echelon in the league and a galaxy removed from the drought years. But now’s not the time to wax poetic. The team’s primary issues are OL and secondary right now. Beane got duped by a washed Saffold in his contract year and overpaid/promoted Bates who looks to be better suited for spot duty. He neglected OL in the draft to the point of reaching for special teams LB in the third round! Also, he traded up for Elam who became a healthy scratch in the back half of the season. This team has to get over the hump. They deserve credit for building to this point, but there’s no free rides henceforth. Has the FO missed, sure. They miss less than most. Our draft picks make the team or get poached from the Practice Squad. I personally would like less DL taken in the draft especially since they are rotational players. And, most are projects on 4 year contracts that take 2 years to develop then we need to decide to pay them for rotating? I would like more high OL draft picks too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 The front office has been fantastic. It was nice one of our guys is being sought after for a front office promotion. Guys, get used to it as we kee having success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse Nuts Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 17 hours ago, Virgil said: I know there’s been a lot of ups and downs this season. Seriously, lesser teams would have folded up shop by now. It’s sucks to lose the one seed like we did. It hurts wondering if Von and Hyde will cost us in the playoffs. But as I see Black Monday roll around, front offices reaching out to any potential future coaches, praying they can turn their losing team around, thinking about the draft and FA, already, it makes me so appreciative for what we have. 5 years ago, our season would have started today. We would have been wishing for the next HC, draft pick, quarterback would could save us. Today, I see all these articles about interviews and players retiring, etc, and I’m just thankful. I never, EVER, doubt what we have as being elite talent and support. Is it SB worthy, maybe and maybe not. But I know we are so far ahead of 90% of the league and have the right core to keep fighting. We have the best fan base in the league, best possible QB for this team, and setup for success for years to come. Go Bills Amen to all of this, brother! Perspective is everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 It is far easier to put a bunch of talented players together with no consideration for how they fit together as a team or into whatever culture you have or are trying to build than it is to sign players specifically to form an elite team of players... Whaley was good at the former... Beane is good at the latter. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 17 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I'll be appreciative when you stop posting So you're appreciative of the Bills never winning the Super Bowl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 18 hours ago, Dick_Cheney said: Russ Brandon let's fûcking gooooooooo!!!! Oh damn sorry I just woke up from a 15 year coma. Wrong guy. 18 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: Maybe, they could be saying something about this… 2023 Bills Away: Patriots, Dolphins, Jets, Commanders, Chiefs, Chargers, Eagles, Bengals Seriously? 3 years in a row @ Arrowhead? And @ Cinci 2x? WTF!!! Apparently you just woke up from the same coma as Dick Cheney above! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 16 hours ago, Baba Booey said: Time to change it dude is all he is asking. It’s a terrible system. Relax!!! He’s right by the way. Why is it terrible when over a believe it's a 12 year period, every team plays almost every other team equal number of times home and away. Granted the one thing that can't be controlled is the two games each year, one home and one away based on where you finished in the standings. You can rip the NFL office all you want, but one thing I'm certain of is they have had a whole room for of people analyzing all different concepts and this likely for a number of reasons most here have never thought of, this is the best idea. If you spend 15 minutes thinking about it, yes may sound dumb, but if you spent 15 days looking at it, I'm sure there are many reason most never thought of. Things like this, they do get right, it's more the human element they struggle with. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: It is far easier to put a bunch of talented players together with no consideration for how they fit together as a team or into whatever culture you have or are trying to build than it is to sign players specifically to form an elite team of players... Whaley was good at the former... Beane is good at the latter. It's been debated ad nauseum but Whaley never got to pick a GM or a QB. He made some fine trades and some nice other picks back in the day. Beane got the franchise QB with some very nice maneuvers and a bit of luck. The real hard work begins when he must choose which players to extend and which to let walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 19 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: Maybe, they could be saying something about this… 2023 Bills Away: Patriots, Dolphins, Jets, Commanders, Chiefs, Chargers, Eagles, Bengals Seriously? 3 years in a row @ Arrowhead? And @ Cinci 2x? WTF!!! It’s going to be 3 in a row in buffalo after that…the afc east vs afc west division placement games have doubled up home teams in back to back years the last few rotations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) Whoever made the decision and did not waiver to select Allen is the person to thank. And then after a few years to decide well maybe he needs a wide receiver who can catch the ball didn't hurt either. I really don't like these threads. I'm happy with the front office, but really it all started with drafting Josh Allen and his development. Edited January 11, 2023 by Billsfan1972 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 26 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: It's been debated ad nauseum but Whaley never got to pick a GM or a QB. He made some fine trades and some nice other picks back in the day. Beane got the franchise QB with some very nice maneuvers and a bit of luck. The real hard work begins when he must choose which players to extend and which to let walk. He also made desperate moves like trading up for Watkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 It would be interesting to evaluate Beane against his peers around the league if you could remove the QB selection in 2018 from his resume. Obviously that was by far his biggest call as a GM and he knocked that one way out of the part -- any GM would get an A grade just for that one pick alone considering how it altered this franchise's trajectory. Intuitively it feels like Beane has done an above-average job of managing the salary cap, bringing in appropriately-priced FAs, and working the draft. It's just hard to judge since I don't pay much attention to the day-to-day workings of other GMs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Beane is awesome and I wouldn’t trade him for anyone. I do hope he evolves a bit and in the future makes that mid season trade he always seems to *almost* make going forward. McAffrey has lit a spark up SF’s butt and they look on fire. Even when he has low yardage games, it’s the defense having to load then box to stop him which opens the pass game. He changes the dynamic. And I think we have a Lombardi Trophy if he made the trade for Von last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 20 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Brandon has had his misses in the draft see Boogie Basham and Cody Ford but damn if he isn’t one of the best evaluators of middle to late rounds picks. Great GM just hope he drafts a WR high next year. I get your post here is rather positive about Beane...but there is one thing in it that gets said a lot and I think it needs to stop. People need to let go of these "misses"...go look at every GM in the league, the "miss" list accompanies all of their resumes. If you compare Beanes resume to any GM in the league since he took over as our GM, you will be hard pressed to find anyone with as good of a draft record as Beane, if any. He completely rebuilt every single roster spot on this team in short order and turned it into one of the most talented teams in the NFL, mostly built through the draft. There has never been a GM in NFL history who didn't have misses. Bill Walsh is consider the GOAT by many, yet he said JJ Stokes was the next Jerry Rice and Jim Drunkenmiller could be the next Montana. Back to good things about Beane...I would also add he is one of the best in the league, if not the best, in getting value in trades, retaining talent on balanced deals, managing the cap to keep they guys they want or acquiring ones via trade/FA. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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