Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson failing good for QB market.

[Ramza86]

Good to see these absurd contracts fail. 

 

We were heading towards a real problem with QB contracts down the road. 

Just sharing a thought.

 

[Thurman#1]

Way way way too early to say on Watson, and a year or so early on Wilson as well.

 

Me, I hope to see Wilson pull it together with good coaching but Watson fail.

 

 

Edited December 29, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Watkins101]

5 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

Good to see these absurd contracts fail. 

 

We were heading towards a real problem with QB contracts down the road. 

Just sharing a thought.

 

Is it good for the QB market? Any chance QBs see Watson/Wilson failing hard and saying they deserve to be paid more than those bums?

[Greg S]

Denver better hope Wilson turns it around. They gave up 2 1st Rd picks (2022, 2023) and 2 2nd Rd picks (2022, 2023) to get this guy. 

[ganesh]

Don't forget Murray in that mix!!!

 

 

Lamar may still get a contract similar to Wilson or Murray, but he will be in the same situation as Watson or Wilson.  Go Bills!

 

Burrow will be in line next to get the best contract and hopefully he will sign a team friendly deal for the Bengals.

 

Mahomes, Allen and Burrow will be the face of the AFC for the next decade.

 

[Ramza86]

2 minutes ago, Watkins101 said:

Is it good for the QB market? Any chance QBs see Watson/Wilson failing hard and saying they deserve to be paid more than those bums?

 

I cant see another owner doing something as dumb as fully guaranteeing a contract.

 

It would be horrendous for owners.

 

The NFL would have to probably step in and adjust the cap if QBs end up controlling almost 50% of its cap the way the QB market is heading. 

[Greg S]

4 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

 

I cant see another owner doing something as dumb as fully guaranteeing a contract.

 

It would be horrendous for owners.

 

The NFL would have to probably step in and adjust the cap if QBs end up controlling almost 50% of its cap the way the QB market is heading. 

 

[T master]

16 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

Good to see these absurd contracts fail. 

 

We were heading towards a real problem with QB contracts down the road. 

Just sharing a thought.

 

 

I totally agree given what the NFL market has decided to pay QB's & others to play a game IMHO the contracts are out of hand but like most other things now days the NFL fits right in with the way of the world .

[SCBills]

Sounds like Lamar is angling for the Watson deal.  If someone does or does not give him that will say a lot moving forward about QB contracts.  

 

I don't necessarily think Wilson/Watson changes much.   Teams are still desperate for QB's.   I wouldn't be shocked if there isn't a bidding war over Derek Carr.  Not anything like Wilson, but Carr is going to have quite a few suitors this off-season. 

 

 

Edited December 29, 2022 by SCBills

[John from Riverside]

I’m just glad we’re not in that mix

[BillsFan130]

18 minutes ago, ganesh said:

Don't forget Murray in that mix!!!

 

 

Lamar may still get a contract similar to Wilson or Murray, but he will be in the same situation as Watson or Wilson.  Go Bills!

 

Burrow will be in line next to get the best contract and hopefully he will sign a team friendly deal for the Bengals.

 

Mahomes, Allen and Burrow will be the face of the AFC for the next decade.

 

I would add in Lawrence as well. (Not yet of course)

 

He has for superstar written all over him 

[nucci]

15 minutes ago, T master said:

 

I totally agree given what the NFL market has decided to pay QB's & others to play a game IMHO the contracts are out of hand but like most other things now days the NFL fits right in with the way of the world .

why are they out of hand? The owners make billions on TV contracts and QB is most important position. Yes, it's a game but also a multibillion dollar business

[strive_for_five_guy]

I think the true test of whether these contracts are failures will be when their fanbases stop renewing season tickets and their revenue plummets.  If you were a Broncos fan, how much would you pay to watch that crap?

[VaMilBill]

51 minutes ago, ganesh said:

Mahomes, Allen and Burrow will be the face of the AFC for the next decade.

 

I agree with you. But I think the media is dead set on making the face of the league Mahomes and Burrow and leaving Allen as an afterthought in the company of QBs like Lamar and Herbert. Allen is elite. There’s no question about that. The media just wants to push him back down for some reason 

[strive_for_five_guy]

1 minute ago, VaMilBill said:

I agree with you. But I think the media is dead set on making the face of the league Mahomes and Burrow and leaving Allen as an afterthought in the company of QBs like Lamar and Herbert. Allen is elite. There’s no question about that. The media just wants to push him back down for some reason 

Allen making it to the SB over Mahomes or Burrow this season would force narratives to change.  That’s one thing those guys have that he does not.

[Ramza86]

30 minutes ago, nucci said:

why are they out of hand? The owners make billions on TV contracts and QB is most important position. Yes, it's a game but also a multibillion dollar business

 

They are out of hand only because there is a salary cap. 

 

The league cannot let its QBs take up 50% of a salary cap without having a a worse product on the field to offset it...

 

But it cannot also remove a salary cap because...lets face it...its a horrible idea and we dont need only the richest owners to have good teams.

 

It has to find some sort of middle ground. 

[HOUSE]

7 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

I think the true test of whether these contracts are failures will be when their fanbases stop renewing season tickets and their revenue plummets.  If you were a Broncos fan, how much would you pay to watch that crap?

This ^

[dma0034]

Watson baffles me. He is in a pretty good situation in Cleveland imo. Russell we will have to see what the next HC/OC does.... he certainly looks cooked... especially seeing Geno play pretty well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[boyst]

The cherry on top will be Lamar Jackson's contract.  Poor bastard didn't know what was good for him. 

[Gugny]

7 minutes ago, boyst said:

The cherry on top will be Lamar Jackson's contract.  Poor bastard didn't know what was good for him. 

 

If there is one player who should not be representing himself, it's Lamar Jackson.  What a dolt.

[KDIGGZ]

Lamar Jackson wants 250 guaranteed and can't even stay healthy for a full season. Next year it will be Tua needing the big contract and I hope they pay him 

[TBBills]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Way way way too early to say on Watson, and a year or so early on Wilson as well.

 

Me, I hope to see Wilson pull it together with good coaching but Watson fail.

 

 

After all the ***** coming out about Wilson and his "Personal parking SPOTS, own office, own private team that had to meet with Hackett every week" I hope he fails. He put his "Brand" above football and didn't realize one feeds the other.

6 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Lamar Jackson wants 250 guaranteed and can't even stay healthy for a full season. Next year it will be Tua needing the big contract and I hope they pay him 

Lol Tua should hope for the ability to think straight after all his concussions.

Edited December 29, 2022 by TBBills

[gjv]

4 hours ago, Ramza86 said:

Good to see these absurd contracts fail. 

 

We were heading towards a real problem with QB contracts down the road. 

Just sharing a thought.

 

I'll hazard a guess and say you think QB contracts are becoming too rich, and with Wilson and Watson not meeting expectations, owners will be unwilling to continue the current escalation of QB contracts. I'm afraid you will be disappointed if that's what you're hoping for. As long as League and team revenues continue to rise so will player contracts. Therefore, with QB being the most important position on a team, QB contracts will probably continue to escalate faster than any other position. It will be interesting to see what Burrows and Herbert's contracts yield.

[Fleezoid]

2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

Lamar Jackson wants 250 guaranteed and can't even stay healthy for a full season. Next year it will be Tua needing the big contract and I hope they pay him 

 

Exactly. What Jackson wants, and his actual value are diverging gradually. I don't see that ending anytime soon. Should've taken the deal

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

5 hours ago, ganesh said:

Don't forget Murray in that mix!!!

 

 

Lamar may still get a contract similar to Wilson or Murray, but he will be in the same situation as Watson or Wilson.  Go Bills!

 

Burrow will be in line next to get the best contract and hopefully he will sign a team friendly deal for the Bengals.

 

Mahomes, Allen and Burrow will be the face of the AFC for the next decade.

 

 

Based on play on the field only Watson and Wilson deserved the contracts they got.  Murray really never did and never was a superstar, more an up and coming young QB who showed potential.  But they paid him the big bucks too soon.

[Freddie's Dead]

You misspelled POShaun Watson.

[Since1981]

We have our guy. 
rather 31 other teams overpay for QB

brady in NE routinely was underpaid and helped the Pats win SBs. Let’s hope Wilson case doesn’t teach 31 GMs how to be a GM

[Nephilim17]

I actually think it's good for the BIlls and Josh if guaranteed money for QBs stays high but the average salary doesn't escalate: It means our competitors will be stuck with overpriced QBs or will have a lot of dead money to deal with, making them less competitive.

 

We likely don't have to worry about guaranteed money with Josh as he a) has given ample evidence to show he is a top-level QB and b) he's pretty durable (yes, I know...).

 

So teams being stuck with bad QBs because of too much guaranteed money works for me. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Way way way too early to say on Watson, and a year or so early on Wilson as well.

 

Me, I hope to see Wilson pull it together with good coaching but Watson fail.

 

 

Might be too early on Watson but definitely not early on Wilson. He’s hit the wall and is done

[Nextmanup]

9 hours ago, Ramza86 said:

Good to see these absurd contracts fail. 

 

We were heading towards a real problem with QB contracts down the road. 

Just sharing a thought.

 

Back when the salary cap was invented, critics suggested the day would come when a handful of core players would make ALL the money and everyone else would make league average.

 

It's getting more like that all the time.

 

QBs SHOULD get almost all the money; they are the entire team they play on.

 

In the years ahead, it will get worse, not better, in terms of salary going to a few players, mostly the QBs.

 

 

[TBBills Fan]

9 hours ago, Greg S said:

Denver better hope Wilson turns it around. They gave up 2 1st Rd picks (2022, 2023) and 2 2nd Rd picks (2022, 2023) to get this guy. 

They killed the next several years with their Wilson move, I don't think he turns it around and suddenly becomes elite again next year...

[Marvin]

If the league officiated to not bias itself towards the pass, then QB salaries would be lower because more teams would be successful running the football with merely solid QBs.  Imagine if teams with merely ordinary quarterbacking but great running games and good defence had done well for the last couple of decades.  Average QB salaries would still be higher than any other position for good reason, but they would not be getting ridiculous.

[billsfan89]

A long way to go on those deals both could easily turn it around and make those deals seem worth it.

[starrymessenger]

8 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Allen making it to the SB over Mahomes or Burrow this season would force narratives to change.  That’s one thing those guys have that he does not.

Mahomes has three pro bowl O lineman. Josh Allen doesn't have that. 

[chris heff]

8 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

If there is one player who should not be representing himself, it's Lamar Jackson.  What a dolt.

So what do you think? That Jackson will be out of the league next year? Or is it more likely that some billionaire owner will give him a huge fully guaranteed contract? Yeah he’s the dolt.

[strive_for_five_guy]

12 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Mahomes has three pro bowl O lineman. Josh Allen doesn't have that. 

Burrow’s O-line isn’t anything to write home about, either.  I’m ultimately not worried about narratives flying around about Mahomes or Burrow, versus Josh.  If the Bills win on Monday night, everyone will be reminded of Josh’s greatness.  The longer the Bills play into the playoffs, the longer the media will talk about Josh versus others that are bounced early.

[Behindenemylines]

11 hours ago, ganesh said:

Don't forget Murray in that mix!!!

 

 

Lamar may still get a contract similar to Wilson or Murray, but he will be in the same situation as Watson or Wilson.  Go Bills!

 

Burrow will be in line next to get the best contract and hopefully he will sign a team friendly deal for the Bengals.

 

Mahomes, Allen and Burrow will be the face of the AFC for the next decade.

 

There is little chance Burrow signs a team friendly deal.  I think he’s as arrogant as Rogers in that respect, just without the man bun and ganja talk

[Man with No Name]

10 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

If there is one player who should not be representing himself, it's Lamar Jackson.  What a dolt.

He is basically being represented by the NFLPA, which is terrible for him. Their goal is not to do what is good for Lamar, but to set the qb market at the most ridiculous level possible. 

[Tenhigh]

20 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

He is basically being represented by the NFLPA, which is terrible for him. Their goal is not to do what is good for Lamar, but to set the qb market at the most ridiculous level possible. 

Why would the NFLPA want QBs to make all the money?

[ArtVandalay]

12 hours ago, Ramza86 said:

Good to see these absurd contracts fail. 

 

We were heading towards a real problem with QB contracts down the road. 

Just sharing a thought.

 

Zach Wilson, Marcus Mariota/Desmond Ridder, Joahua Dobbs, and Carolina situations show you teams will still have no issue paying up given the chance.