Cson76 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 This NFL writer is saying he's up there. Ryan Leaf, jamarcus Russel are on it. Possibly Johnny manziel. Wilson as a number 2 overall might be there with them. https://www.nj.com/sports/2022/12/nfl-analyst-says-jets-zach-wilson-could-be-one-of-biggest-busts-in-nfl-history.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) He's just the latest..his career isnt over yet, either. I would say Josh Rosen is a much more serious contender at this point. I also wouldn't put JaMarcus on there either. He was vastly overrated, and overdrafted by the Raiders...but most didn't have any huge expectations for him....he was a very green prospect. Someone like Rosen was pretty universally expected to be an bonafide NFL starter. Russell was always viewed as a very raw prospect. Who knows, had he been drafted in the 3rd or 4th round, as many expected, he might have developed into something more. Team overdrafted him, and put unreasonable expecations on him...he was bound for failure. Edited December 23, 2022 by Buftex 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Buftex said: He's just the latest..his career isnt over yet, either. I would say Josh Rosen is a much more serious contender at this point. I also wouldn't put JaMarcus on there either. He was vastly overrated, and overdrafted by the Raiders...but most didn't have any huge expectations for him....he was a very green prospect. Someone like Rosen was pretty universally expected to be an bonafide NFL starter. Russell was always viewed as a very raw prospect. Who knows, had he been drafted in the 3rd or 4th round, as many expected, he might have developed into something more. Team overdrafted him, and put unreasonable expecations on him...he was bound for failure. A qb taken @ 2 vs a qb taken @ 10- idk…. Being terrible is being terrible- the greater investment means bigger bust imo 5 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) Not sure there is a state in the county large enough to build a monument for all the bust QB's in the NFL! Look at the first three picks in 1999 draft alone: Tim Couch, McNabb (great pick), Akili Smith. The Bengals could probably almost have their own monument when you add Smith 3rd overall, David Klinger 6th overall, and Jack Thomson 3rd overall Edited December 23, 2022 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 They were talking about this on WFAN this morning. One of the talking heads claimed that the Raiders sent Jamarcus home with blank DVD's to see if he was really studying. Never heard that one before - looks legit: "The coaches would send Russell home with a game-plan DVD loaded with plays and ideas to study. Suspecting that their bonus-baby quarterback was skipping his homework, the coaches slipped in a blank DVD one day. When Russell returned, he reportedly said the game plan looked good to him." https://www.nfl.com/news/jamarcus-russell-and-the-raiders-blank-dvd-caper-0ap1000000210130 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 IMO, No. Guys like Mandarich, Emtman, Bosworth all had far more college accolades and didn't quite get there in the NFL. Then you've virtually every all world RB out of Penn State from Blair Thomas to Kijana Carter. Wilson is like Akili Smith, Andre Ware, Tim Couch. One great college year but was way over drafted by a desperate team. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 He is pretty close IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 I guess people aren't old enough to remember Kelly Stouffer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 The teams that make these really bad picks that turn out to be busts never seem to be labeled as the ones who are just as much a bust , it always placed on the player when it is mostly the teams fault for the outcome. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMAKCruiser Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 What about Walt Patulski? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Still too early. He needs a change of scenery though, that much is certain. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 JaMarcus Russell got up close to 300lbs while he was still playing, that alone puts him as a top-4. It was easy to see Zach Wilson wouldn't make it in the NFL. I was very happy on draft day when he became a Jet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, Buftex said: He's just the latest..his career isnt over yet, either. I would say Josh Rosen is a much more serious contender at this point. I also wouldn't put JaMarcus on there either. He was vastly overrated, and overdrafted by the Raiders...but most didn't have any huge expectations for him....he was a very green prospect. Someone like Rosen was pretty universally expected to be an bonafide NFL starter. Russell was always viewed as a very raw prospect. Who knows, had he been drafted in the 3rd or 4th round, as many expected, he might have developed into something more. Team overdrafted him, and put unreasonable expecations on him...he was bound for failure. I think Russell definitely deserves to be on there. Being drafted first automatically puts huge expectations on you-not sure why you would draft someone first if you don’t have huge expectations. Plus the whole coaches giving him a blank DVD thing puts him up on that list. 4 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: The teams that make these really bad picks that turn out to be busts never seem to be labeled as the ones who are just as much a bust , it always placed on the player when it is mostly the teams fault for the outcome. This is very true. Virtually no QB was going to succeed in Cincinnati, same with many of the QBs drafted by the Seahawks. Those 2 franchises at that time makes the dumpster fire that the Bills were during the drought seem like a very small flame 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 The Jets Organization deserves to go up more than Wilson. Wilson was simply way over-drafted. Sooo many people knew right away that he'd never cut it. There were practically no real expectations. Most "big busts" have some sort of expectation that goes along with it, making their busts even bigger. The organization that has recently "busted" on Geno Smith, Sam Darnold, and now Zach Wilson deserves far more of the blame than any of these players. I guess what I'm saying is, ***** THE JETS! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 No, because he was a late riser from a non power 5 school. Everyone knew he was going to be a project and that you were drafting him for his upside. Nobody thought he was a sure thing. I think the bigger busts that really stand out are the guys you think are locks to be stars in the league and then they flop. But being taken 2nd overall and sucking definitely makes you a certified bust. Just not necessarily in the running for the worst busts of all time. He just seems completely lost from a mental standpoint. I could see him getting good in a few years if he can stick around as a backup somewhere and learn the game. The other issue is this: they want him to be a timing passer and get the ball out quick on every play. That's not who he is. Why not tailor your offense to his strengths? He is not a quick passer. He is a good scrambler. He thrives on the off-script things. He is kind of like Josh Allen in that way. I feel like they are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: The teams that make these really bad picks that turn out to be busts never seem to be labeled as the ones who are just as much a bust , it always placed on the player when it is mostly the teams fault for the outcome. Thanks. That is what I was trying to say.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Is this some kind of bust? Yes, very impressive! Airport 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 17 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Not sure there is a state in the county large enough to build a monument for all the bust QB's in the NFL! Look at the first three picks in 1999 draft alone: Tim Couch, McNabb, Akili Smith. The Bengals could probably almost have their own monument when you add Smith 3rd overall, David Klinger 6th overall, and Jack Thomson 3rd overall You're calling Donovan McNabb a bust? 6-time pro bowler, two-time all pro ... came in 2nd for NFL MVP in 2000.... My brother... what?? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) You lay off of Ralph Wilson. 😠 * (Read the premise of the OP?! Hell, no, I just react to thread titles.) Edited December 23, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Way too early, but he is heading in that direction. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 There are more busts than hits, at every position. Personally, I think a kids humility matters quite a bit. Wilson has always come across to me as a cocky brat, kinda like Rosen did. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Akili Smith has to be part of the conversation. So does Kijana Carter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMAKCruiser Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 22 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Not sure there is a state in the county large enough to build a monument for all the bust QB's in the NFL! Look at the first three picks in 1999 draft alone: Tim Couch, McNabb, Akili Smith. The Bengals could probably almost have their own monument when you add Smith 3rd overall, David Klinger 6th overall, and Jack Thomson 3rd overall McNabb isn't even close to being a bust... He's a borderline hall of famer. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 I think the only way Zack Wilson is going to get back on track, it'll have to be with different team as a backup for a while. His head can't be right, right now. A year or two as a backup while he works on his game. And time to let this train wreck fade away. My 2 cents. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 His full story hasn’t been written yet, but his trajectory is that he will be. The Jets gave him a pretty darn good roster in his second year and he’s been a total failure. There’s no reason why he shouldn’t have been able to lead this Jets team to the playoffs similar to Turbitzky taking the Bears to the playoffs in his second year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SMAKCruiser said: McNabb isn't even close to being a bust... He's a borderline hall of famer. Agree I was just listing the top 3 picks, my point was 1 and 3 were busts. I'll go back and edit to clarify that! 6 minutes ago, Rigotz said: You're calling Donovan McNabb a bust? 6-time pro bowler, two-time all pro ... came in 2nd for NFL MVP in 2000.... My brother... what?? Agree I was just listing the top 3 picks, my point was 1 and 3 were busts. I'll go back and edit to clarify that! Edited December 23, 2022 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 It is pretty clear from the responses here, we don't have a clear definition of what a "bust" is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) May be the worst team leader I ever saw. The team clearly doesn't believe in him Edited December 23, 2022 by HOUSE 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Sucks that wilson gets hit with it, the kid never should have been drafted yet the Jets did in the first. Maybe he will just ***** the mothers of everyone and make a career out of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 "Hold on a second, let's not jump to conclusions" Geno Smith has entered the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: Forgive my obtuseness, but who are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Forgive my obtuseness, but who are they? ryan leaf in the beard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: I think Russell definitely deserves to be on there. Being drafted first automatically puts huge expectations on you-not sure why you would draft someone first if you don’t have huge expectations. Plus the whole coaches giving him a blank DVD thing puts him up on that list. My point with Russell was, the Raiders drafted him #1 overall in the NFL draft. He was a huge bust, for the Raiders. But 31 other NFL teams would never have drafted him #1 overall. To me, that is just an indictment of the Raiders ineptitude, rather than Russell's ability. He very well may still have been awful, but a 3rd round QB pick that doesn't amount to anything is more the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 The guy needs to toughen up and develop some grit. Reminds me of some young kid the first day of boot camp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: ryan leaf in the beard. Thank you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Cson76 said: This NFL writer is saying he's up there. Ryan Leaf, jamarcus Russel are on it. Possibly Johnny manziel. Wilson as a number 2 overall might be there with them. https://www.nj.com/sports/2022/12/nfl-analyst-says-jets-zach-wilson-could-be-one-of-biggest-busts-in-nfl-history.html I thought you were referring to Ralph. I read the article, and was confused when I didn't see him mentioned. I don't think Zach Wilson is famous enough yet to refer to him by last name only. Also, way too soon to consider him a bust. Edited December 23, 2022 by chongli 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Honestly, it's a pretty tough situation for the Jets. To draft 2 QB's so high in such a short timeframe, and neither works out - pretty bad luck. It's so hard w/ QB's & the draft. It really is hard to figure out who will pan out in the NFL, and who won't. The JA draft is such a great example of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Here is my vote 1 3 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Probably but it may too soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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