Von Miller ACL- Out for Season

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, todd said:

The defense failed with Hughes, and was clearly better with Miller. Hughes should not be part of the conversation. Different level of player, and there should be no disagreement about that. To insinuate that we should have kept Hughes instead of signing Miller is …. Not bright.

that’s not what I’m insinuating.  Not even close

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Also this is clearly a sign that we need to outright ban the blue pants/white jerseys combo. 

This is my takeaway also

[Logic]

12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Rushes 3, drops 8

As Marv Levy used to say:

"It's simple, but it isn't easy".

[WideNine]

32 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

Frazier needs to study what Bengals DC Lou Ararumo is doing. Beat KC three straight times and I think they held Mahomes to something around 250 yards passing last week. 

 

One thing is they took Kelce away for the most part and stripped the ball from him on a key play down the stretch.

 

No catches in the first half, and just 56 yards in the second with a fumble.

 

Most teams just accept that Kelce is going to get his 100+ yards, but he is Mahomes safety blanket.

 

No matter who the QB is, you take away their top target that they lean on, they get very uncomfortable and make mistakes.

 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2022 by WideNine

[Xwnyer]

4 hours ago, StHustle said:

What happened to the MRI showing it wasn’t his ACL?!?

Probably as good as the CT scan I had that said appendix was caught early but when went in to remove found it was burst.  Sometimes the imaging lies

[RunTheBall]

3 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

One thing is they took Kelce away for the most part and stripped the ball from him on a key play down the stretch.

 

No catches in the first half, and just 56 yards in the second with a fumble.

 

Most teams just accept that Kelce is going to get his 100+ yards, but he is Mahomes safety blanket.

 

No matter who the QB is, you take away their top target that they lean on, they get very uncomfortable and make mistakes.

 

 

 

I noticed this too. What did the Bengals do schematically to take Kelce away so effectively? I’m not a film dude I’m a watch TV from my couch dude

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

That $120,000,000 contract isn’t looking all that great now 

[WotAGuy]

4 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

I noticed this too. What did the Bengals do schematically to take Kelce away so effectively? I’m not a film dude I’m a watch TV from my couch dude

Probably assigned someone to cover him. I swear against the Bills and every other team Kelce runs around defenders like they are pylons. 

[WideNine]

2 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

I noticed this too. What did the Bengals do schematically to take Kelce away so effectively? I’m not a film dude I’m a watch TV from my couch dude

 

Not sure either.

 

Having that tweener S/LB kind of player that has the skills to actually skate with Kelce 1:1 would be rare.

 

More likely they found ways to effectively double him and disrupt his timing and routes.

 

But yeah, would need someone who can break down that film. Either way, something Frazier's staff is sure to do.

 

 

 

[RunTheBall]

6 minutes ago, Xwnyer said:

Probably as good as the CT scan I had that said appendix was caught early but when went in to remove found it was burst.  Sometimes the imaging lies

Imaging is only as good as the actual cuts and whoever is reading the film. Appendix don’t burst, they don’t pop like a ballon. If the infection is contained within the appendix it’s a same-day operation and you can go home that day. If the infection spreads through the wall of the appendix and into the abdominal cavity it’s called a ruptured appendix but it’s not like a bomb went off in your abdomen and blew appendix parts all over. If the infection gets to the abdomen it can get real bad, so you need to be on IV antibiotics for a couple days. In your case, your rupture was probably caught early (happens often) and didn’t have enough time to inflame the surrounding tissue and show up on the CT. They probably saw a little puss leaking when they visualized your appendix.

 

Von’s injury wasn’t a complete tear so didn’t show up on MRI well. When they got in there and tugged on it, it probably looked like a skinny wet noodle and was very loose. 

[uticaclub]

25 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

As much as I hate agreeing with Brady, he was right about that super Bowl.

 

The Philly defense made ONE PLAY all game. 

 

It was the offense that won the game for the Eagles by scoring lots of points. 

 

One more play than our defense made against KC in the playoffs, who then lost to Cinny after their D made a play in OT

Edited December 7, 2022 by uticaclub

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Almost feels like this isn't our year...Still not giving up hope but damn this is frustrating. 

 

The AFC doesn't really have a dominant team which is encouraging. Everyone looks beatable. 

Like Von says, "Don't blink"!! Bills have the talent on DL to take care of business. Just hope Shaq Lawson gets most of the snaps. He's been playing lights out football

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

This is great to know there are so many doctors and orthopedic surgeons posting on this board !

[YoloinOhio]

18 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

I noticed this too. What did the Bengals do schematically to take Kelce away so effectively? I’m not a film dude I’m a watch TV from my couch dude

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/any-given-sunday/2022/why-cincinnati-bengals-are-kansas-citys-worst-nightmare

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I just want to know how we went from he’ll be back in a month playing with a brace to season ending ACL surgery. How did they get that so wrong?

Maybe it was the same doctor that gave Tyrod his shot 

[Worstcaseontario]

Big yikes, that massive contract was a gamble

[BADOLBILZ]

 

It hasn't felt this "over" since the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

 

[Simon]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

It hasn't felt this "over" since the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

 

 

Germans?

[The 9 Isles]

cursed, for real for real. 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Simon said:

 

Germans?

 

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

It hasn't felt this "over" since the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

 

Pretty sure the Italians bombed Pearl Harbor 

[Boatdrinks]

19 minutes ago, Worstcaseontario said:

Big yikes, that massive contract was a gamble

It was , but that’s what you do when you’re on the brink of a Super Bowl 

[StHustle]

Has anyone ever seen an ACL reported two weeks after a game???

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

 

 

Yeah, I was teeing it up for somebody to bring it home.

[Coach Tuesday]

You guys playing cards?

[finn]

So will the Bills and Miller agree to an injury settlement? I assume he'll be out a good part of next year, too. 

[SCBills]

Just now, finn said:

So will the Bills and Miller agree to an injury settlement? I assume he'll be out a good part of next year, too. 

Von posted an upbeat, positive video about being back next year.

 

Beane said he expects him back for most of next year.  Also will be back with team this year off the field and rehab in Buffalo.  
 

Obviously we can conclude … injury settlement. 

[skibum]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

It sounds like it wasn't a full tear but there was enough damage to where they felt they had to do the surgery because the doctor told Beane "it wasn't going to hold"...also sounds like recovery time might be less than for a complete ACL tear since they said they are hopeful he can play most of next season, which means it is a shorter timeframe for recovery initially.

It doesn't matter if it's a partial tear, they just have to cut the whole thing out and replace it either way. You can't actually 'repair' an ACL, because they have no blood supply with which to heal. So the recovery will be the same as with a complete tear. 

 

[msw2112]

Forgive me for being naive, but isn't an injury settlement only done in situations where a player is being released (and typically on a 1-year deal, or in the last year of a deal)?  And also fogive me if there is sarcasm above that I am missing.  I don't think it's something typically used with star players.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Von posted an upbeat, positive video about being back next year.

 

Beane said he expects him back for most of next year.  Also will be back with team this year off the field and rehab in Buffalo.  
 

Obviously we can conclude … injury settlement. 

 

 

I’ve been looking for a bright side, so how about this? Obviously we want Von all season long. He was great early this year, and next year we will have him for the back of the schedule and the playoffs, and that’s what we really wanted! 

 

It’s the best I got at the moment.  🤷‍♂️

[BillsfaninSB]

I was so happy Monday and Tuesday with what happened on Sunday with the rest of the league.  Sigh.

 

Can never sustain any joy with this team.

[coloradobillsfan]

20 minutes ago, Simon said:

Yeah, I was teeing it up for somebody to bring it home.

 

See page 14

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, skibum said:

It doesn't matter if it's a partial tear, they just have to cut the whole thing out and replace it either way. You can't actually 'repair' an ACL, because they have no blood supply with which to heal. So the recovery will be the same as with a complete tear. 

 

Most of what you said is true, the whole idea of an ACL, taking in a body does require blood flow. I’ve seen this firsthand.

[BillsSbSoon]

23 minutes ago, StHustle said:

Has anyone ever seen an ACL reported two weeks after a game???

That’s what I’m saying too. The whole thing just seems off and weird. Since when do we ever find out two weeks later something was torn. 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

That $120,000,000 contract isn’t looking all that great now 

Thank you, captain obvious

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, skibum said:

It doesn't matter if it's a partial tear, they just have to cut the whole thing out and replace it either way. You can't actually 'repair' an ACL, because they have no blood supply with which to heal. So the recovery will be the same as with a complete tear. 

 

 

We went thru our son tearing his ACL, and I believe this is accurate. You don’t fix it, you replace it with a graft from a cadaver, your own patella tendon or your hamstring. You can’t just sew it back together. Sucks, I know……

[skibum]

Just now, Augie said:

 

We went thru our son tearing his ACL, and I believe this is accurate. You don’t fix it, you replace it with a graft from a cadaver, your own patella tendon or your hamstring. You can’t just sew it back together. Sucks, I know……

I have had both of mine rebuilt, but since I'm not a professional athlete, I did not get a cadaver graft. Those cost extra! Ironically, it's the harvesting of your own tendons for spare parts that ends up causing the most problems over the long term. I still can't kneel on my right patella, 20 years later!

[muppy]

Just now, Augie said:

 

 

I’ve been looking for a bright side, so how about this? Obviously we want Von all season long. He was great early this year, and next year we will have him for the back of the schedule and the playoffs, and that’s what we really wanted! 

 

It’s the best I got at the moment.  🤷‍♂️

senor augie I will take your best and add a caveat. 

 

What a hollywoodesque type  tale it would be in Rousseau , Epaneza Basham Phillips and all the rest of our DL Mans UP to and we win the Super bowl anyway!~!~!!!

 

 the truth is this news makes me feel just ACK sick and want to swear like a sailor. 

 

to sum it up hermano ******

 

 

[Augie]

4 hours ago, coloradobillsfan said:

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

Seems an appropriate day...

(movie quote for the non-comedy film buffs)

 

 

Your worried about the non-comedy film buffs, but you may have just killed some history buffs.  😋

 

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

given exam and MRI, I wonder how often an ACL tear is found incidentally at surgery.

 

I wonder how long it’s been that way. He might have played on it for years and been just fine (see Thomas, Thurman), or it might have gone at the next practice. We’ll never know, but at least it’s fixed now and reduces the risk of missing all of NEXT year. 

 

 

4 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

So, what do you propose they do? 

 

I propose they welcome him with open arms a few games before the playoffs so he can be a Super Bowl MVP again! 

[Buffalo Junction]

4 hours ago, balln said:

He doesn’t consistently win as a pass rusher. He has a bull rush. And then shoestring/ diving plays. I’m glad we have him. But he’s not the closer / finisher Von is. 

He’s also got a great inside rip, a push pull, a dip, and a solid swim. Still, it’s gonna take the kid another year to really come into his own as a rusher. Biggest issue is that Groot doesn’t have exceptional bend, because that coupled with his dip or rip could be deadly. Hopefully he improves there over the next year.