NFL Week #9 - 11/6/2022 - The Bills at the (NJ) Jets - Post Game thread

[Breakout Squad]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

 

At the end of the first half?

Ohhhhhh my bad. I was talking about the 4th. 

[Billz4ever]

3 minutes ago, Breakout Squad said:

What?!?!?! 
 

1:43 left 

The holding call was rough, but Allen getting the ball stripped is what killed us.  There was plenty of time otherwise.

[Mango]

4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

He was getting pressured quickly today, which I'm sure was a factor, but he looked today like he did the 2nd half last week, which was not good.

 

 

Consistency. I like that in my QB. 

[Low Positive]

7 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

Have we lost 8 straight coin flips or do we not defer if we win the toss?  I thought losing the toss (or not deferring) bit us in the rear today.  Jets score late first half and control opening drive of second half.  Both losses involve missed from Bass (yeah, 55 yards but it would have restored some momentum going into the half.  Both losses have horrible plays from Q-Berry directly contributing to loss.  Ugh.  

We have lost 8 straight flips. McDermott always defers.

[Beast]

2 minutes ago, jcamm1966 said:

we miss Beasly and Sanders

Can’t do anything but hope Hines is a weapon and they get OBJ.

 

This offense is seriously lacking something right now.

[Turbo44]

51 minutes ago, Irish Dave said:

This was the kind of JV crap I was resigned to during SO MANY years of 8-8 seasons...- but I thought we were supposed to be a superbowl team now???  Nope.  

 

Allen needs to stop believing all the media hype around him, shave that mustache and stop throwing INTS at the ten yard line. 

 

Teams have figured out all you need to do is pressure him and he gets hyper and he caves.    And then just run it on our Defense and you'll win.  If Green bay weren't terrible we would've lost that game in the second half...

 

 

it's movember - mustache is for cancer awareness.  It's not affecting his accuracy

[Nextmanup]

3 minutes ago, In Summary said:

I hate when our D line gets pushed around and we can't stop the run.

You sound like Rex Ryan.  He commented on that after a loss when he was HC.

 

I think he felt it was effeminate and a sign of masculine "weakness" that a team ran on us.

 

This is an outdated way to think.

 

 

[boyst]

56 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Refs were awful.  Allen was awful.  Dorsey was awful.  Davis was awful.  Frazier was awful.  Jaquan Johnson doesn't belong on a football field.

The phantom hold call there at the 3nd was weird. Ignored a bunch of calls on both sides early and called that.  They ignored a roughing call on both QBs, too

[klos63]

Does Dorsey actually design a game plan. Every game seems the same, no imagination, no running game. He was my biggest concern coming into the season and still is. We won with talent early on, now teams have a strategy against us and we can't do much. Need to figure out how to use Knox, Davis, get a running game going outside of Allen.

Allen has looked like crap too.

But we won the NY/NJ argument , so there's something.

[Breakout Squad]

Just now, FrenchConnection said:

We have lost 8 straight flips. McDermott always defers.

We took the ball 1st against the Ravens because the weather was decent at the start. 

[78thealltimegreat]

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

The holding call was rough, but Allen getting the ball stripped is what killed us.  There was plenty of time otherwise.

You’re blaming Allen for holding onto the ball for all of two seconds with no timeouts on a first and 20 trying to throw downfield I see 

Edited November 6, 2022 by 78thealltimegreat

[What a Tuel]

4 minutes ago, Breakout Squad said:

The Bills social media team does the same thing. I thought it was well played indeed. Let’s go get ‘em next time. 

 

The Bills social media usually makes sense though. They should've saved it for if they beat us in Orchard Park, its going to come back and bite them in the ass.

Edited November 6, 2022 by What a Tuel

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said:

We have lost 8 straight flips. McDermott always defers.

 

I thought we won one this season but McDermott took possession as he was concerned about the weather? At Baltimore?

[Sandhill Mike]

Just now, FrenchConnection said:

We have lost 8 straight flips. McDermott always defers.

I assumed Coach decided he wanted to score first sometimes, not that we lost every coin toss this year.  That's got to be some kind of record.

[Breakout Squad]

Just now, 78thealltimegreat said:

Your blaming Allen for holding onto the ball for all of two seconds m with no timeouts on a first and 20 trying to throw downfield I see 

I don’t think he said that…

[The Red King]

I'm less worried about the defense overall.  They're trying to form a solid D out of dental floss and chewing gum at this point.  The D-Line is hung out to dry by the walking wounded we have as our Secondary.  If we can get our stars healthy and out on the field (and keep them there), the D will be fine.

 

Special teams leave me feeling a lil gassy.  Uncomfortable, but not a point of concern yet.  We needed that three b/f halftime.  While we got bailed out, that kickoff OoB was terrible, and not the first this season.  The Jets seemed to gash our coverage on returns.

 

Offense worries me.  We need to establish a run game, and fail to do so.  Something is wrong with Josh.  Not sure if it's physical wear down or psychological, but he has not been right for six quarters now.  We need improvement at WR and hope that we can still land OBJ (which until this game I didn't see an urgent need to do).  I'd like to see Shakir involved more.  I reserve judgement on Hines as he just got here and is still learning, but he looked good on that deep overthrow.  Cook looked good, too.  I'd like to see far more of those two going forward.  The O-line is under siege.  I still recall a perfectly dialed screen pass that resulted in two blockers running right past the defender that ultimately stuffed the play.  Most of this can be corrected, and I have hope.

 

Coaching.  I have defended this staff for the most part over the years, but this was a horribly coached game.  We finally figure out we need to run the ball, and then try doing nothing but run.  Cook looked good all game, but gets pulled for the veteran when the game gets dicey.  To much indecision.  Someone needed to settle that team down, both sides of the ball, and it never happened.  Blame the head coach for that, and to a lesser degree the coordinators.  However, the coordinators are fully to blame in other areas.  Like a poor guy trapped in a office meeting with 100 degree heat and women in the room, no adjustments were made at all.  That concerns me.  Maybe not so much defense, because our tattered backfield made adjustments difficult, but there is no excuse for lack of offensive adjustments.  Games can be won or lost on these (ref: Cincy @ KC), and right now we don't seem up to the task.

 

I am not at a point where I'm predicting doom and gloom.  I still believe we are one of the best teams in the NFL.  That said, I'm not keeping rose-colored glasses on.  This team has holes at this point.  Some should fill themselves, like getting our D healthy.  Others can be filled, such as getting OBJ, running more and better mixing run and pass, getting a QB whispered to find out what's up with Josh and so on.  I hope this game is a reality check.  This team isn't going to cruise control to a Championship.  I still have faith though, that they can fight and claw a way to one.

[Eastport bills]

6 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

I just want to discuss the notion we've never found a short outlet guy to replace Beasley. 

 

That's been a huge problem...

 

Coupled with our lousy screen execution/ inability to run this basic NFL play, we've gotten worse on our need to go down field into high risk throws.....

I think Shakir can be that guy. Unfortunately most of the plays go to Stefan and Gabe. He threw some dump offs to Cook, but Knox and Shakir had nothing. I think the Jets D outsmarted our OC and Josh didn’t have the answers.

[BigDingus]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

You sound like Rex Ryan.  He commented on that after a loss when he was HC.

 

I think he felt it was effeminate and a sign of masculine "weakness" that a team ran on us.

 

This is an outdated way to think.

 

 

 

So it's not a bad thing they got pushed around & got ran all over for a 2nd week in a row? 

[muppy]

ahem my real thoughts about this Loss....................... losing sucks. we can all agree on that.

 

The difference is I think this team will recover as they regain key personnel off of injuries.

 

Also  I think Dorsey and Frazier need to make better adjustments and decisions on what plays to call to stifle what our opposition does that has worked against us.  

Basically use our strengths to defeat theirs. Today they beat us. They made the plays that mattered in the final outcome we didn't.

 

On to the next game. Lets see if Hines could conceivably be the piece we need to replace Cole Beasley....

Edited November 6, 2022 by muppy

[LEBills]

I’m not too worried about it still. It stinks that both our losses are division losses but each have been on the road with half our defense missing.

 

Josh has had some uncharacteristic miscues the last 1.5 games but has been unbelievably good the past season. As long as his arm isn’t injured he will bounce back. 
 

Lastly, Green Bay put on tape that we are vulnerable against the run and the Jets used that to limit Wilson’s attempts and control the clock. The Bills will need to figure that out. When we are a little more healthy, I have faith McDermott and Frazier can get it fixed. 
 

We are 6-2, still atop the AFC. Go Bills!

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, Breakout Squad said:

We took the ball 1st against the Ravens because the weather was decent at the start. 

Forgot that

[Breakout Squad]

1 minute ago, What a Tuel said:

 

The Bills social media usually makes sense though. They should've saved it for if they beat us in Orchard Park, its going to come back and bite them in the ass.

I just think we would’ve done the same thing is all. 

Just now, FrenchConnection said:

Forgot that

Didn’t work out haha

[In Summary]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

You sound like Rex Ryan.  He commented on that after a loss when he was HC.

 

I think he felt it was effeminate and a sign of masculine "weakness" that a team ran on us.

 

This is an outdated way to think.

 

 

Perhaps, but getting Wilson to one dimension is a legit goal. How would you stop the long Jets drive?

[Steptide]

Bills seem to do this every season since McDermott got here. They get to week 7 or 8 and have some head scratching losses. Last year it was Colts and jags. Year before it was titans and kc (though the rescheduling could've played a part in that). They seem to hit a slump mid season, but recover fairly quick. 

[Maynard]

7 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

I'm more concerned how bad Allen has looked than actually losing. 

 

Wins are what's supposed to matter most, but selfishly I wanted the MVP season too.

 

Allen playing like this just gives credibility to all the years of criticism about his accuracy, decision making & consistency. That bothers me more than a loss right now 😵‍💫

Me too. Very concerned something is up with Allen. The interceptions he’s throwing right now worry me a lot. 

[Beast]

This is the same team that beat KC a couple weeks back. They are off right now and need to figure it out sooner rather than later.

[Andy1]

This game was like gastric reflex when you taste your own vomit. That’s my real feeling about this one. 

[CEN-CAL17]

Game 1… Bills felt they had a lot to prove and wanted to make a statement.

 

Game 8… Bills are just playing the game. We were bullied around and out coached today.

[Billz4ever]

5 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

You’re blaming Allen for holding onto the ball for all of two seconds with no timeouts on a first and 20 trying to throw downfield I see 

What are you even talking about?  I simply said Allen getting the ball stripped, not only put us in a deep hole, but also let a ton of time run off the clock and we never recovered.

 

That's just a plain and simple fact.

Edited November 6, 2022 by Billz4ever

[Southern_Bills]

Honestly, you know your going to lose some games. The way we lost it sucks, and who we lost it to sucks worse.

 

At the end of the day the team will be fine, the defense is banged up badly. The offense had a horrible day, it happens.

 

Doesn't make me happy about it.

[Big Blitz]

3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

You sound like Rex Ryan.  He commented on that after a loss when he was HC.

 

I think he felt it was effeminate and a sign of masculine "weakness" that a team ran on us.

 

This is an outdated way to think.

 

 

 

Really?  
 

Because I could see the confidence and masculinity get stripped from them with every 6 yard run from James Robinson and every whiff on Williams by Saffold or Bates.  
 

 

That stuff is legitimately very real - aside from helping you win it’s another reason why being able to run the ball and stop it is vital in this sport.  

[78thealltimegreat]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

What are you even talking about?  I simply said Allen getting the ball stripped, not only put us in a deep hole, but also let a ton of time run off the clock.

 

That's just a plain and simple fact.

So Allen is at fault for getting stripped when he got literally 2 seconds to throw I see 

[97bills]

40 minutes ago, par73 said:

Allen has gone back to the future the last couple weeks. He needs to snap out of it, or this season will slip away quickly.  OL was really bad today--- rush was getting to the QB in about 1.5 seconds.

Defense? Definitely need Milano and Poyer back (although it struggled last week with them vs the run). McDermott needs to fix the rush defense. Tired of watching them get gashed play after play (knowing the run is coming).

Running nickel when there playing big up front doesn’t seem to be working. And on top of Milano being out, and let’s face it Edmunds isn’t good and stoping the run. We need a better MLB - running backs do get pass the Dline at times and this is we’re you need your MLB to come in and make a play. See c.j Mosley!!!! 

[78thealltimegreat]

5 minutes ago, Breakout Squad said:

I don’t think he said that…

That’s exactly what he said 

[Niagara Dude]

40 minutes ago, Italian Bills said:

Right now, honestly, beside all the anger for this loss, how much you are worried for the final regular season standing ? 
 

Still confident in the first seed, or not ? 

I think sometimes a loss like this can be good for both the team and fans.  The team needs to stay focused and understand its a long season,  fans need to stop talking like our team has all pros at every position.  If the Bills can get OJB,  they need to do it.  Davis and Mckenzie are not consistent or creating enough separation and teams are just loading up to stop Diggs.  Most of Allen's passes were to backs for short gains,  not enough big chunk plays.  Last season when Allen needed a platy and Diggs was covered he could usually rely on Beasley. We have not replaced that this season.Beanne needs to get both Miller and White on a conference call Monday with OJB

[Donuts and Doritos]

Yeah, this sums it up:

 

[Big Turk]

Did Singletary get benched? It seemed he was used very little in the 2nd half...Cook seemed to be in almost exclusively.

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, Steel City Mafia said:

Team has taken a huge step back. Tua looking like the real deal. 

 

Tua looking like he has a real OC since his receivers are actually open.

[muppy]

1 minute ago, Beast said:

This is the same team that beat KC a couple weeks back. They are off right now and need to figure it out sooner rather than later.

a few prayers to to get our starters back asap? Shall I name them? You know who I mean Im sure. Spencer Brown we need you back stat  as well as defensive starters.

 

STAT

[Billz4ever]

Just now, 78thealltimegreat said:

So Allen is at fault for getting stripped when he got literally 2 seconds to throw I see 

Where did I say it was Allen's fault?

 

You're reading words that aren't even there.