Christian McCaffrey traded to the 49ers for multiple 2nd day draft picks

[Rico]

I hope it leads to the Bills going up against Kyle Shanahan in the Super Bowl. Even a notorious big game loser like Fat ***** Reid was able to get a ring against him.

[DapperCam]

As long as the Bills have a high cap hit QB (I think we do starting next year) we are going to need our draft picks for cheap starters to replace expensive vets.

[CorkScrewHill]

Hopefully he has a monstrous first game to take down the Chiefs … after that who cares.

[newcam2012]

55 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Im in the win at all cost this year camp. Was last year too and wanted a trade for Miller.

However, trading for McCaffrey would not have made us better and would have crippled the ability to find cheap talent to replace guys that they will not be able to afford in the next few years. 

OBJ will cost nothing but cash. I don't think we need him and would pass on him. He's a possession WR coming off ACL tear. Is that really a need for this team?

I beleive Hyde is done as a Bill and three weeks ago I would have argued for a trade for a safety( assuming they don't move White to safety). But Hamlin has played well enough.

 

At this point I say roll with the guys we have.  Beane made the right moves in the off-season to win this year. If healthy the Bills roster is as good as anyone and I really don't see a glaring need anywhere. They are not going to give up on Brown at RT this quick. Would another capable swing OT to replace Doyle/Hart be an upgrade. Sure but its not really needed if Brown can come back quick and Q plays ok.

 

Dance with the one who bring you. Go Bills!!!

Great post. Just one small point of contention. Imho, CMC would make the Bills better. His explosiveness and pass catching ability is elite. The Bills don't have anyone close to that. Perhaps, Cook was supposed to be a mini version of CMC. So far, he hasn't shown it. 

 

I trust Beane's judgements and decisions. Like you said the haul to get CMC was too costly, prohibitive, and i'd injury risk. 

[DCbillsfan]

2 hours ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

He’s done it once already and almost did last year. The path to the SB in the NFC couldn’t be drawn up easier. Hurts, Cousins, Dak, washed Rodgers, 45 year old Brady. Which of that pile of crap are you picking to beat them?  

They would most likely have to play the Eagles in Philly.  So I'll take the Eagles.  They play the Chiefs and Rams next.  We'll see what happens.

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

Yup. I’d love to have CMC on the team, but not at that price. 

I think this sums it up. 

[Billz4ever]

49ers must genuinely think they have a shot at winning it all this year with this move.  If they can get healthy, they may be right.  They have an elite D and CMC gives them a real threat out of the backfield. 

 

I'm not saying they are better than our Bills, but I think their front office thinks this is a piece of the puzzle they need.

 

Frankly, I'm glad the Bills didn't try to pull the trigger on a deal like this with that many picks, but I'm going to predict we get a bunch of "I told you so" speeches if the Bills don't win the SB and how we would've if we signed CMC. 😄

[HappyDays]

47 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I mean they don't exactly know what they have in Trey Lance. There's no way they can give up what they did for him to move on after one slop fest game, and an injury start 2.

 

They shouldn't give up on him but they also shouldn't be selling out for the short-term until they know for sure that they have a QB. This is equivalent to the Bills trading up for Sammy Watkins after EJ Manuel's rookie year. Arguably worse because it's for a RB.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

49ers must genuinely think they have a shot at winning it all this year with this move.  If they can get healthy, they may be right.  They have an elite D and CMC gives them a real threat out of the backfield. 

 

I'm not saying they are better than our Bills, but I think their front office thinks this is a piece of the puzzle they need.

 

Frankly, I'm glad the Bills didn't try to pull the trigger on a deal like this with that many picks, but I'm going to predict we get a bunch of "I told you so" speeches if the Bills don't win the SB and how we would've if we signed CMC. 😄

 

They've played as a pretty heavy rushing team for years now, with just... UDFAs at running back.  Now they're adding one of the best in the league, and they have him under contract for years.  It's interesting.  

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

They shouldn't give up on him but they also shouldn't be selling out for the short-term until they know for sure that they have a QB. This is equivalent to the Bills trading up for Sammy Watkins after EJ Manuel's rookie year. Arguably worse because it's for a RB.

 

They do have Deebo Samuel, Kittle, and Aiyuk seems to be coming along.  The offensive line is solid.  Their defense is a really good unit.  This is to try to get a Jimmy G led team to the promised land.  I think Lance is set up to have a good team built around him in 2023.  I think teams are much quicker to move on from QBs now, and SF is a pretty good landing spot for a vet who wants to move like say Rodgers or something.  

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I know the price looks like a lot, but is it really more than the Bills 1st and Moss?   I'd have been a happy camper to have CMC for that.

 

Didn't it take a 4th for the Bills to move up 3-4 spots in the first.  San Fran will have a low 2nd and low 3rd.  It seems like all those picks combined might equal the Bills 1st.

 

 

To me the Bills offer you suggest would be a little short of SF’s, but close enough that another pick would bring it in line. But I see some other issues with it. One, Moss has pretty much no trade value so you’d have to replace him with a pick. Motor is in his last season so they wouldn’t be interested in him either. The Panthers are blowing it up. They are only interested in picks and quality players who are under a cost controlled contract for years to come. I don’t see any on our roster we’re giving up - at least none they’d want. 

 

So I think our 2023 first and fourth in would be the likely equivalent. We may have had to sweeten that to beat SF. The odds of the Bills falling off this season is slim compared to SF and that’s a consideration. Also Carolina might want the higher volume of picks to restock their roster. If they insisted on our 1st and 3rd next draft, would you still make the trade? What about 1st and 4th with a 5th the following year?  As much as I’d like him here, CMC’s injury history makes that too rich for me. 

Edited October 21, 2022 by BarleyNY

[Sestak4ever]

In the limited action between preseason and the short time played this year, Trey Lance did not show anything that looked like he was ready to be a starting qb. The 49ers up to this point have lost to Chicago, Denver and Atlanta. Some are picking them now for the Super Bowl. It could happen, but if those were Bills losses people would be armed with pitch forks and torches.

[gonzo1105]

16 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

49ers must genuinely think they have a shot at winning it all this year with this move.  If they can get healthy, they may be right.  They have an elite D and CMC gives them a real threat out of the backfield. 

 

I'm not saying they are better than our Bills, but I think their front office thinks this is a piece of the puzzle they need.

 

Frankly, I'm glad the Bills didn't try to pull the trigger on a deal like this with that many picks, but I'm going to predict we get a bunch of "I told you so" speeches if the Bills don't win the SB and how we would've if we signed CMC. 😄

 

Why wouldn't they? The NFC is awful. San Fran is probably the best team in the NFC if Jimmy G doesn't crap the bed for them. 

[TheFunPolice]

SF could very well be the NFC Super Bowl rep. 

 

They're built for it. Never a favorite but always make a deep run because they are tough, physical, and just find ways to win. and you say "well, they won't be able to do that again!" and all of a sudden they were an easy dropped INT from playing the Bengals in last year's Super Bowl!

[TheFunPolice]

12 minutes ago, Sestak4ever said:

In the limited action between preseason and the short time played this year, Trey Lance did not show anything that looked like he was ready to be a starting qb. The 49ers up to this point have lost to Chicago, Denver and Atlanta. Some are picking them now for the Super Bowl. It could happen, but if those were Bills losses people would be armed with pitch forks and torches.

 

Atlanta is such a weird team... Mariotta goes like 11/15 for 100 yards and 1 TD and they somehow either win or are right there in the end. 

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

15 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Atlanta is such a weird team... Mariotta goes like 11/15 for 100 yards and 1 TD and they somehow either win or are right there in the end. 

 

 

 

Yeah, the Falcons have been an interesting watch down here. They stink on paper, but are a much tougher team to beat than they look like. Not an easy out for any team.

[ColoradoBills]

2 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Would have loved to have him, but apparently teams were willing to give up more than I would have.  I could see a 2nd round pick, maybe a little more In 2024, but that’s a lot of picks for a guy with his injury history.   I guess the 9ers are comfortable rolling with CMC and Lance next year, it’s all they can afford and they have no draft.. yikes.  I don’t see it pushing them over the top, maybe I’m wrong.  Hopefully, it helps them beat KC next week 😂. 

 

I agree with you.  SF will have some money to absorb a CMC redo of his contract.

I just don't see how even with an overhauled contract how the Bills who are close to -$8M over cap already, add CMC's $'s

and sign or replace 24 free agents next year.  Especially when they would have been left with a 1, 5, 5, 6, 7 at best.

 

It would be a huge change in the roster and there is no guarantee CMC clinches a SB title.

[TheFunPolice]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, the Falcons have been an interesting watch down here. They stink on paper, but are a much tougher team to beat than they look like. Not an easy out for any team.

 

I'm always like "how are they in this game?!" when I watch them

[mikemac2001]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, the Falcons have been an interesting watch down here. They stink on paper, but are a much tougher team to beat than they look like. Not an easy out for any team.

And should have had a chance to beat the bucs they would be on top of that div 

[Reed83HOF]

42 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

To me the Bills offer you suggest would be a little short of SF’s, but close enough that another pick would bring it in line. But I see some other issues with it. One, Moss has pretty much no trade value so you’d have to replace him with a pick. Motor is in his last season so they wouldn’t be interested in him either. The Panthers are blowing it up. They are only interested in picks and quality players who are under a cost controlled contract for years to come. I don’t see any on our roster we’re giving up - at least none they’d want. 

 

So I think our 2023 first and fourth in would be the likely equivalent. We may have had to sweeten that to beat SF. The odds of the Bills falling off this season is slim compared to SF and that’s a consideration. Also Carolina might want the higher volume of picks to restock their roster. If they insisted on our 1st and 3rd next draft, would you still make the trade? What about 1st and 4th with a 5th the filling year?  As much as I’d like him here, CMC’s injury history makes that too rich for me. 

Not sure the Panthers are blowing it, they don't have to tank, Rhule set them up to already suck. Shaq Thompson and other elder players are the ones they will trade. A 26 27 yr old rb who has had some injuries, has a 12m per season cap hit, is simply not a player worth hanging on to either. 

 

For DJ or Burns to go, the offers would have to be multiple 1s. They are still young players at positions you will have to replace. These 2 players specifically will still be excellent in 2 to 3 years with the rookie qb they draft at 1 next season...I wouldn't call it a blow up at all. They are actually in a decent spot

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

52 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

49ers must genuinely think they have a shot at winning it all this year with this move.  If they can get healthy, they may be right.  They have an elite D and CMC gives them a real threat out of the backfield. 

 

I'm not saying they are better than our Bills, but I think their front office thinks this is a piece of the puzzle they need.

 

Frankly, I'm glad the Bills didn't try to pull the trigger on a deal like this with that many picks, but I'm going to predict we get a bunch of "I told you so" speeches if the Bills don't win the SB and how we would've if we signed CMC. 😄

I still wouldn’t have traded a 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th in 2024 for him even in hindsight if we don’t win a superbowl and they do.  We’d have to let some players walk to keep him too 

 

they are in danger of going all in on this year and not winning it then being screwed in the future especially because they traded up for Lance also.  I still think the eagles and cowboys with Dak are gonna be tough.  It’s hard to count out Brady figuring it out too 

Edited October 21, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Billz4ever]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I still wouldn’t have traded a 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th in 2024 for him even in hindsight if we don’t win a superbowl and they do.  We’d have to let some players walk to keep him too 

 

they are in danger of going all in on this year and not winning it then being screwed in the future especially because they traded up for Lance also.  I still think the eagles and cowboys with Dak are gonna cause them issues.  It’s hard to count out Brady figuring it out too 

Me either, but there's apparently a huge CMC fan club on twobillsdrive. who were ready to part ways with a 1st rounder to get him here.

 

 

[RocCityRoller]

3 hours ago, TFBillsfan said:

Mercy that’s a ton of draft capital and cap hit going forward. No way would I wanted to give up that much for a RB. San Fran already traded away multiple 1st for Lance so I’m stunned how much they gave up for CMC. Good for Carolina to get what they got.

It is literally 0 cap hit. His entire salary for SF is base salary. None of it is guaranteed.

[All I Need is Hope]

1 hour ago, CorkScrewHill said:

Hopefully he has a monstrous first game to take down the Chiefs … after that who cares.

Agree… great that Chiefs didn’t get him and hopefully he plays for Niners Sunday against them.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Me either, but there's apparently a huge CMC fan club on twobillsdrive. who were ready to part ways with a 1st rounder to get him here.

 

 

I can see the whole being starved to win a superbowl thing which seems to be where they’re coming from…but imo winning the superbowl in any individual season requires a little bit of luck in addition to a great team (see: bills losing OT coin toss last year) and the best way to get one is to be great over a long period of time. 
 

im curious if the rams really nosedive if their fans years from now will say selling out for that one superbowl was worth it. 

[DrDawkinstein]

9 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

they are in danger of going all in on this year and not winning it then being screwed in the future especially because they traded up for Lance also.  I still think the eagles and cowboys with Dak are gonna be tough.  It’s hard to count out Brady figuring it out too 

 

I mean, I think that's kinda the plan. Go all in this year, then tank next year and be in a spot to reset and replace Lance in 2024.

 

Winning this year helps soften that blow of sucking next year.

 

 

6 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

It is literally 0 cap hit. His entire salary for SF is base salary. None of it is guaranteed.

 

Yeah but they have to get a new deal done, or else they are stuck paying that $12M/yr. And now that the trade has been done BEFORE a new deal is in place, CMC has the 9ers bent over a barrel, just like Tunsil did to BOB and the Texans.

 

They are racing to the point where their only choice will be to pay CMC big money, or give up all those picks for a 4 month rental.

 

I thought part of the trade talks dragging on was the new team working on a restructure. We may still see one, but it will be under the graciousness of CMC.

Edited October 21, 2022 by DrDawkinstein

[BarleyNY]

18 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Not sure the Panthers are blowing it, they don't have to tank, Rhule set them up to already suck. Shaq Thompson and other elder players are the ones they will trade. A 26 27 yr old rb who has had some injuries, has a 12m per season cap hit, is simply not a player worth hanging on to either. 

 

For DJ or Burns to go, the offers would have to be multiple 1s. They are still young players at positions you will have to replace. These 2 players specifically will still be excellent in 2 to 3 years with the rookie qb they draft at 1 next season...I wouldn't call it a blow up at all. They are actually in a decent spot

By “blowing it up” I meant that they’re doing what you are describing.

[Jay_Fixit]

13 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Thank God! The guy is washed good player when he’s healthy but on IR for half the year 

Lol. No.

[NewEra]

14 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

It is literally 0 cap hit. His entire salary for SF is base salary. None of it is guaranteed.

Ok…. I’ll play again.

 

In order to have 0 cap hit, they’d have to cut him.  They just traded 4 draft picks for him.  Do you think they plan of cutting him and not paying him anything (hence, literally zero cap hit).  That’s not going to happen.  They will restructure/extend him and pay him.  They’ll pay him much more than most starting running backs will be paid.  This after they drafted a Rb in rd 2 a couple months ago….and RBs in rd 3 and 6 last year.  It’s an insane allocation of assets into the leagues most easily replaceable position.  Meanwhile….their interior offensive line is trash.  

so….there will most definitely be a cap hit…, unless they decided to just give up 4 draft picks for a 2/3 of a year rental. 

 

[BuffaloBill]

13 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Wow

 

 

 I way would I have done that deal. 

[Albany,n.y.]

It's still a QB driven league.  Even if SF gets to the Super Bowl, it's going to be Jimmy G vs a franchise QB from the AFC (hopefully Josh Allen).  This reminds me of the time back in 2019 when I looked at an upcoming December night game Bills at Steelers where Pittsburgh was favored and thought Josh Allen vs Duck Hodges, laughed and then raced to the casino to bet the Bills on the money line.  

[C.Biscuit97]

I thought the whole point of shanahan system was they can pull anyone in. I thought Wilson had been good for them. 
 

obviously, CMC is a special player (when healthy) and they can do some nasty things with him and Deebo. But that seems like a lot of money for a rb with his injury concerns and your qb is Jimmy G. Interesting move though. 

[RocCityRoller]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Ok…. I’ll play again.

 

In order to have 0 cap hit, they’d have to cut him.  They just traded 4 draft picks for him.  Do you think they plan of cutting him and not paying him anything (hence, literally zero cap hit).  That’s not going to happen.  They will restructure/extend him and pay him.  They’ll pay him much more than most starting running backs will be paid.  This after they drafted a Rb in rd 2 a couple months ago….and RBs in rd 3 and 6 last year.  It’s an insane allocation of assets into the leagues most easily replaceable position.  Meanwhile….their interior offensive line is trash.  

so….there will most definitely be a cap hit…, unless they decided to just give up 4 draft picks for a 2/3 of a year rental. 

 

You are falling for a sunk cost fallacy. After this season CMC is still an asset with 0 guaranteed money. That makes him a valuable trade commodity if SF wanted to cut bait, or they can not agree on a restructure. Without any guaranteed money there is no hit for SF to trade him if it did not work out, and it allows the trading team to restructure his contract.

 

The draft assets were too rich for Buffalo. I say that as a fan that did want him here as a rental, but not at that cost. SF has $15.9 million in cap space in 2023 with McCaffrey's $12M salary accounted for (OTC is fast!). I've shown how that easily gets dropped to 6-8 million next year freeing up 4-6 million more for SF in 2023 through a basic restructure.

 

Agreed Buffalo didn't have the cap room for even a restructure CMC would agree to, and once the price went to 4 picks it didn't make sense here as a rental.

 

But these comments about SF taking a massive cap hit, or being saddled with a guy are just silly.

[MarlinTheMagician]

Hate this deal for the 49ers.  I think you get David Montgomery for a 5th and I would rather have him than McCaffery.  McCaffery has a higher ceiling, but Montgomery has a much, much higher floor.  McCaffery's floor is at ground zero due to injury risk, IMHO.  Montgomery is bigger, more powerful and catches the ball very well.  Get him for a 5th and be happy!

[Scott7975]

 

[mikemac2001]

10 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

The wording was the last two teams remaining didn’t have a 1st rd pick

 

 the price was to high for beane

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:

The wording was the last two teams remaining didn’t have a 1st rd pick

 

 the price was to high for beane

 

The price was always too high for Beane.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Ok…. I’ll play again.

 

In order to have 0 cap hit, they’d have to cut him.  They just traded 4 draft picks for him.  Do you think they plan of cutting him and not paying him anything (hence, literally zero cap hit).  That’s not going to happen.  They will restructure/extend him and pay him.  They’ll pay him much more than most starting running backs will be paid.  This after they drafted a Rb in rd 2 a couple months ago….and RBs in rd 3 and 6 last year.  It’s an insane allocation of assets into the leagues most easily replaceable position.  Meanwhile….their interior offensive line is trash.  

so….there will most definitely be a cap hit…, unless they decided to just give up 4 draft picks for a 2/3 of a year rental. 

 

they could trade him again to recoup some draft picks or more likely he renegotiates at a lower cap hit to get some more guaranteed $. So the least likely scenario is he plays at $12/yr for the next 3.  

[unbillievable]

24 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

they could trade him again to recoup some draft picks or more likely he renegotiates at a lower cap hit to get some more guaranteed $. So the least likely scenario is he plays at $12/yr for the next 3.  

 

Imagine the 49ers winning the Superbowl, then trading CMC for a 1st and 3rd.

 

 

[buffaloboyinATL]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, I am going back to read after I comment, but what are the odds that Beane is currently on the phone with Carolina, trying to pry away one of those new found draft picks, in exchange for Zack Moss.  I fully anticipate this happening, I just hope he can get the 3rd rounder.  #thewizardofBeane

[Billz4ever]

20 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

 

Imagine the 49ers winning the Superbowl, then trading CMC for a 1st and 3rd.

 

 

If the Panthers could've gotten a 1st rounder this time, they would have.  

4 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, I am going back to read after I comment, but what are the odds that Beane is currently on the phone with Carolina, trying to pry away one of those new found draft picks, in exchange for Zack Moss.  I fully anticipate this happening, I just hope he can get the 3rd rounder.  #thewizardofBeane

We all would take the 3rd rounder over Moss.  I'm sure Carolina would too.