NFL Week 6 - Bills victorious!!!! Over Chiefs - post game thread

[Solomon Grundy]

I'm about to have a ball listening to Prick Wright

[wjag]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I'm about to have a ball listening to Prick Wright

 

If you listen to his show, you already know what he is going to say.

 

Good job Buffalo.  You won October.  Hang you Banner

 

He was critical of Mahomes INTs.  Didn't like the TO Reed took when Buffalo completed the 3rd and 13 to get the first down.  Thought Buffalo would just be satisfied with a 3-7 halftime score.

 

He's concerned about Chief's run defense and he acknowledged the Bills Defense won the game and questioned whether Miller can hold up for entire season.

[Warcodered]

18 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I'm about to have a ball listening to Prick Wright

People take him to seriously on that show, it's an overly dramatic act, he does a podcast show and freely acknowledged that the Bills are a threat and probably will beat the Chiefs in the playoffs at some point maybe even this year. He's still a homer, saying he wasn't worried based on this game, really all that game showed was that these two teams are right next to each other and the Bills got the edge today and that's fair from a KC fan.

 

His show today should be funny though, I'm expecting him to get all sorts of crap from his co-hosts, also I bet his team tiers are going to attach some sort of "regular season" dig at the Bills.

Edited October 17, 2022 by Warcodered

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

 

Trivia: Q: How many Chiefs has Allen jumps over?  A: 2 one last year and one yesterday.

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

49 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

I've never once claimed that the Bills were world beaters, rather that they are a top team in the league and have a real chance of winning a Super Bowl championship.

 

There are posters on here who constantly complain about the Bills being garbage, and then when the Bills do something positive, those posters disappear.

 

We saw it yesterday on this board in the gameday threads.

 

I wasn't thrilled with everything the Bills did yesterday.

I thought the shovel pass to McKenzie was a terrible call.

I thought the squib kick was the wrong thing to do, and then playing prevent was worse.

And I did not agree with the Bills going for it on 4th & 3 at mid-field.

 

The thing is that I don't just constantly complain about the Bills for 90-95% of the game.

I see the good in this team, and I acknowledge it.

 

 

So what.  Be a grown up and ignore it.  Or better yet, you can block users you don't agree with.

 

[Warcodered]

 

[NickelCity]

[Rochesterfan]

6 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

My question on poyers road trip. 
 

Do the Bills pick up that tab for the 15 hour drive service, then driver likely stays around and drives the same way back. 
 

that would be a pretty big Tab. Seeing it is travel for the game do the Bills pick up that tab like they do on the charter flights?  

 

It sounds like it from McD.  
 

The medical staff in consultation with Poyer throughout the week - proposed this option and it sounds like the Bills got a nice vehicle that could take Poyer entire family and then allowed him to leave after practice Friday to keep him on the same schedule.

 

I am sure they have someone on staff to handle the drive - and when they are spending huge money on a charter - my guess is a car and an extra hotel room doesn’t add up to much if it allows him to play.

 

 

[Rochesterfan]

4 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I don't agree with Sal C when he says that fumble was Josh's fault. If that play was an option, McKenzie's job is to be looking for the pitch, isn't it?? 

 

It depends on if it was an option.

 

I heard it said it was a run option with a pass back- hand off to McK for outside or Josh could keep it himself - no pitch was planned.  McK job was to draw people to the outside leaving a space inside.

 

Josh elected to keep the ball, but the outside guy crashed down - Much like Josh did to Knox in the Houston playoff game - I think Josh then realized McK would be free and pitched it, but by that time McK had completed his fake and was not expecting the ball.

 

Knox learned and know McK will have to learn - you never give up on a Josh Allen play.  If he had kept running that had huge potential, but McK stopped on the play after his part was over.

 

 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Rochesterfan

[stevewin]

Orlovsky as REALLY been pumping Frasier on all the ESPN shows today.  Has said "as good of a defensive gameplan that I've seen in years"  "Should be a HC candidate",  Just did a cool breakdown on the last play - DB was in man on right, but said others were in zone to left.  Von purposely went inside to flush Mahomes to the right, where Milano was waiting.   Mahomes thought defense was in man with initial read off right side WR  - thought only single DB in trail technique on who he threw the ball to - but Taron was waiting to drive on ball (and the throw was obscured/rushed by Milano bearing down).  Good stuff

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

It’s two drivers. The DOT won’t let one driver make that entire trip, they’ll have to switch.

 

Just caught Poyer on Pat McAfee.  He had one driver in the van.  Said they stopped at Indianapolis on Fri night after about 7 hrs, drove about 7 hrs to KC the next day.  Since he was still on the road talking to McAfee, they may have overnighted somewhere last night as well. 

 

1 guy could do it if it's done in two chunks.

 

1 hour ago, Mango said:

The Bills likely have a contract with a charter company already. It’s just a matter of the charter company having an available vehicle or the Bills renting a van for 3-4 days.

 

Sometimes these companies will cut the sports team or star a break, too - "Charter Service for the Buffalo Bills"  "As Flown by Josh Allen" etc

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

It’s two drivers. The DOT won’t let one driver make that entire trip, they’ll have to switch. 
 

The Bills likely have a contract with a charter company already. It’s just a matter of the charter company having an available vehicle or the Bills renting a van for 3-4 days. 
 

Actually not that crazy. 

 

I drove from Tucson, AZ to Queensbury, NY in 41 hours.  I only stopped for gas and piss breaks.  Plenty of No-Doz and being in my early 20s helped.

[Mango]

4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Just caught Poyer on Pat McAfee.  He had one driver in the van.  Said they stopped at Indianapolis on Fri night after about 7 hrs, drove about 7 hrs to KC the next day.  Since he was still on the road talking to McAfee, they may have overnighted somewhere last night as well. 

 

1 guy could do it if it's done in two chunks.

 

 

Sometimes these companies will cut the sports team or star a break, too - "Charter Service for the Buffalo Bills"  "As Flown by Josh Allen" etc

Right. The driver needs 8 hours in between. So that works. A lot to the time they’ll pull over at a rest stop and there’s a guy waiting to take over in say Indy. That guy will do Indy to KC and back to Indy the next day. Switch again. I’ve never seen them ride together.

 

I thought for sure the Bills would have had him go straight through. But that’s a long day in the car for a guy that’s gotta play a day later. So I get why they’d have him stop too.  
 

[Mango]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I drove from Tucson, AZ to Queensbury, NY in 41 hours.  I only stopped for gas and piss breaks.  Plenty of No-Doz and being in my early 20s helped.

A charter company won’t do that. It’s against the law, a huge fine, and the driver can lose his entire career.

 

I once did Dallas to San Diego for work with a 40’ trailer in 18 hours. That was wild. Watching the sun come up driving through NM was one of the most gorgeous things I’ve seen in my entire life. What an underrated area of the country. West Texas is trash though. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

For the 13 Seconders 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay/_/gameId/401437788

 

Look at the time of possession on Kermit’s last drive. 
 

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

 

 

So what.  Be a grown up and ignore it.  Or better yet, you can block users you don't agree with.

 

BOOM!

[WideNine]

3 hours ago, bobobonators said:

Milano had an amazing game. Right there w Von in terms of Defensive mvp imo. 

 

I recall KC had that toss sweep that Milano blew up... looked like he was shot out of a cannon.

 

Was thinking they sealed the edge and had a good wall of blockers, then bam!

 

Milano had a hell of a game.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

 

[Beck Water]

5 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I don't agree with Sal C when he says that fumble was Josh's fault. If that play was an option, McKenzie's job is to be looking for the pitch, isn't it?? 

 

So I was just listening to McDermott's presser

About 18:40 in, not an exact transcript

 

Reporter (unsure who): "So you were talking about being in a situation before like 13 seconds and learning from it and adjusting.  You know, Isaiah McKenzie has been in spots where he's had struggles before.  Tough day for him yesterday, how do you anticipate him responding and what did you see that might have gone wrong for him yesterday?"

Coach McD: "Well you know, I think that maybe people see that play in the red zone on the first drive, and I think you have to understand what we were really trying to get done there, number one, and then number two, understand big-picture-wise that he was coming back from a week out with a concussion, it was his first game back, and that takes an adjustment period as well.  So we have full confidence in Isaiah, he didn't probably have the production that a lot of people expected him to have, but he's so mentally tough and he's such a big part of our team, we expect him to be back for the Packers game and to play really well."

 

My translation:  In the past, McDermott has NOT been shy about laying it out there when he thinks McKenzie has screwed up and needs a talkin' to and a seat on the bench.  He also doesn't like to throw any player under the bus publicly (but he's done that with McKenzie, presumably because he thinks it may be helpful there).  I think we can conclude with pretty high certainty that the red-zone fumble play was NOT designed to include an option pitch to McKenzie. There were later plays they would like McKenzie to have made, but nothing that McDermott considers blatant goof-up on McKenzie's part. 

 

For those who are yearning to see McKenzie in Coach McDermott's Doghouse and replaced by Shakir - I'm sure we'll see Shakir and hopefully more of him as the season goes on, but That Time is Not Yet.

Edited October 17, 2022 by Beck Water

[Malazan]

Stop giving him attention. He's playing a role to get your attention. He doesn't care except that you keep putting money in his pocket. 

[Airseven]

It’s schtick. It’s choreographed. It’s entertainment. He plays his role well.

[JoPoy88]

No clicks from me sorry. Don’t care what he says.

[Beck Water]

58 minutes ago, Mango said:

Right. The driver needs 8 hours in between. So that works. A lot to the time they’ll pull over at a rest stop and there’s a guy waiting to take over in say Indy. That guy will do Indy to KC and back to Indy the next day. Switch again. I’ve never seen them ride together.

 

I thought for sure the Bills would have had him go straight through. But that’s a long day in the car for a guy that’s gotta play a day later. So I get why they’d have him stop too. 

 

Not to mention he's got a young kid with him - not sure how old Poyer's daughter Aliyah is, about 6 I think. 

Probably a happier trip overall if she gets to have a break.

[MiltonWaddams]

His face bothers me more than his words. It's just the face of a smarmy, conceited little ***** . Seems fitting.

[dma0034]

I think he's hilarious; I love how he is clearly worried about the Bills and Allen. Today Skip Bayless finally said "Josh Allen won me over" as well. The 24-20 game is the game where you decide Allen is pretty good? lol

[L Ron Burgundy]

Are any of the Chiefs players coming back as good as Tre? No?  Ok then.  We could be considerably better by the postseason. 

[Big Turk]

I think it's hilarious on his show/podcast he wears bling chains and Jordans...his wife must be having a LaFawnda effect on him...he would be Kip of course...

Edited October 17, 2022 by Big Turk

[Logic]

He's a pro wrestling heel, and a good one at that. 

 

Like Ric Flair, Rick Rude, and Roddy Piper before him, he's doing his job well if he's getting a rise out of you.

It's what he does.

Props for his commitment to the bit.

[Beck Water]

5 hours ago, WideNine said:

The option shovel pass is not incredibly new trickery, but McKenzie has to be upfield more and ready for it. He was neither, and that set the wrong tone.

Allan was playing a bit hyped early too, but settled down.

 

After watching the play again, and listening to McDermott's interview where he was asked about McKenzie, I have a pretty high degree of confidence that was NOT supposed to be a shovel pass to McKenzie or a play where a shovel pass to McKenzie after he crossed the field L to R was an option.

 

For one thing, the flow of the play design makes no sense as a shovel pass to McKenzie.  We have "eye candy" to draw the D's attention L to R, then after that, we're going to do a shovel pass to the R?  If you want the ball to go to McKenzie, hand it off to him or pitch it to him as he goes past. 

 

You can listen to the question about McKenzie and McDermott's answer if you like, it's about 18:40 into his presser from today.  McDermott very carefully avoided placing blame for that play, but his comments pretty well indicated to me, what you saw on that play was not what we designed.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

Knox learned and know McK will have to learn - you never give up on a Josh Allen play.  If he had kept running that had huge potential, but McK stopped on the play after his part was over.

 

This part I agree with completely.  But at that stage of the game, maybe Josh should have given up on the Josh Allen play. 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Beck Water

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

 

 

So what.  Be a grown up and ignore it.  Or better yet, you can block users you don't agree with.

 

Oh, I need to be the grown up?

 

Not the other way around?

 

Also, there is nothing wrong with disagreements. If negativity is the only thing that motivates people, then there is nothing that can be done for that individual.

 

Some people just want to bring attention to themselves, and feel like they have nothing to answer for anything.

It happens here plenty of times.

[Beck Water]

5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Sal C posted a little diagram of this play

 

 

I forget who said it, but after the SF49ers game  (in 2020 I think), one of the media members described one of Josh's throws as a "THAT *****IN' GUY!" play.  He explained that to a DC, you draw up your defensive play, you call the right play, EVERY PLAYER ON YOUR DEFENSE EXECUTES PERFECTLY - and Josh Allen still throws a completion.  It's enough to make a DC throw his clipboard and yell "THAT *****IN' GUY!"

[CSBill]

It’s funny. It’s entertaining. Take it for what it is. 

[Punching Bag]

5 hours ago, Jukester said:

Sal said the play was a screen to the opposite side and when that wasn't there Josh improvised to McKenzie.  He wasn't expecting anything coming his way.

 

According to some he needs to have telepathy with Josh to be a starter on this team.

 

Maybe the posters also have telepathy and can know I am thinking about DC Tom's favorite quote.

[Apocalypse Nuts]

5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Sal C posted a little diagram of this play

 

 

I forget who said it, but after the SF49ers game  (in 2020 I think), one of the media members described one of Josh's throws as a "THAT *****IN' GUY!" play.  He explained that to a DC, you draw up your defensive play, you call the right play, EVERY PLAYER ON YOUR DEFENSE EXECUTES PERFECTLY - and Josh Allen still throws a completion.  It's enough to make a DC throw his clipboard and yell "THAT *****IN' GUY!"

IMHO,  Allen’s throwing release is legendary, as is Mahomes’.

But, just my opinion, JA17’s release is like .2 seconds quicker which is why he can keep the Bills up with Mahomo’s Chefs (no offense I have a culinary degree).  

[CincyBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, CSBill said:

It’s funny. It’s entertaining. Take it for what it is. 

Yep. I like the guy because he makes me laugh.  That show is hilarious and to me it's like a bunch of fans sitting around getting hammered arguing about whose team is the best.

 

 

[Beck Water]

5 hours ago, Jukester said:

Sal said the play was a screen to the opposite side and when that wasn't there Josh improvised to McKenzie.  He wasn't expecting anything coming his way.

 

See, this makes total logical sense. The design of the play being a sweep by McKenzie L to R (to draw a man defender with him if it's man, and as "eye candy" to distract the D), followed by a screen to the L, has a logical flow to it.  The design of the play being a sweep by McKenzie L to R (to draw the D attention to the R) followed by a shovel pass to McKenzie on the R, does NOT make logical sense.

 

If I'm not mistaken, we've had that screen play blown up several times.  I'm wondering if some self-scouting is needed to look for a "tell" opponents are keying on.

[wjag]

21 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Sal C posted a little diagram of this play

 

 

I forget who said it, but after the SF49ers game  (in 2020 I think), one of the media members described one of Josh's throws as a "THAT *****IN' GUY!" play.  He explained that to a DC, you draw up your defensive play, you call the right play, EVERY PLAYER ON YOUR DEFENSE EXECUTES PERFECTLY - and Josh Allen still throws a completion.  It's enough to make a DC throw his clipboard and yell "THAT *****IN' GUY!"

 

Watching this animation you can clearly see why Josh wanted him to run toward the post.  It was completely free of enemies.

[MasterStrategist]

8 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

See, this makes total logical sense. The design of the play being a sweep by McKenzie L to R (to draw a man defender with him if it's man, and as "eye candy" to distract the D), followed by a screen to the L, has a logical flow to it.  The design of the play being a sweep by McKenzie L to R (to draw the D attention to the R) followed by a shovel pass to McKenzie on the R, does NOT make logical sense.

 

If I'm not mistaken, we've had that screen play blown up several times.  I'm wondering if some self-scouting is needed to look for a "tell" opponents are keying on.

Agree.  They lined Cook up in the slot, IIRC, he was likely the intended target.

 

This play may have been better designed if McKenzie would have motioned into the backfield, so Josh could decipher man vs zone.  Trying to hit a backside screen against Man, is not a smart call...would have likely worked against zone though

[LABILLBACKER]

Hans Gruber....Die Hard

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

49 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Oh, I need to be the grown up?

 

Not the other way around?

 

Also, there is nothing wrong with disagreements. If negativity is the only thing that motivates people, then there is nothing that can be done for that individual.

 

Some people just want to bring attention to themselves, and feel like they have nothing to answer for anything.

It happens here plenty of times.

Your embarrassing yourself