MarlinTheMagician Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 There was ten seconds left when McKenzie went down. He tried to run the ball to the ref and a Dolphin slowed him for a second. I am not sure on this, but isn't ten seconds left normally enough to get the ball spotted so QB can spike it? If Josh had spiked it, I think Bass would have drilled the winner from 60 yards. Of course, we will never know. So help me out board, were the refs slow on getting the ball down there? Or we just cut it too close? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGORDO Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Yawn. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 I was watching the ref spot the ball and rush out of the way of the center and OL and thought he was doing a pretty solid job of quickly his job and then getting the heck out of the way. There may have been some slowness leading up to that somewhere... But this loss has nothing to do with how quick the ball was spotted! We greatly outplayed Miami all day long, just didn't convert that into points. If we had, we could have won in any one of a bunch of different ways, by different scores. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 Fair enough. But I think teams probably know what is considered "just enough" - anybody know what that is? Do you usually get a chance to spike it if player is down with 10 seconds left, or no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 OP, I think you are correct that they could have gotten the spike with 10 seconds left. Problem is, McKenzie pops up with 8 seconds left. McKenzie is very much still running with the ball at the 10 second mark. I disagree though that Bass would have made it from 60. 4 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said: Fair enough. But I think teams probably know what is considered "just enough" - anybody know what that is? Do you usually get a chance to spike it if player is down with 10 seconds left, or no? If you watch the video I think you can conclude the Bills would have spiked it just in time if they had 10 seconds. But they had 8 seconds by the time McKenzie gets up. In fact, McKenzie is on one knee in the act of getting up at 8 seconds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 There were a lot of "if's" in this game, any one of them going the other way would have meant a W for the Bills. One thing is for sure, if the Bills were to pull that game out at the end, it would have been a soul-crushing defeat for Miami.....one that could have affected them for the rest of the season. I actually found it very admirable how hard the under-manned Bills fought just to have a chance to steal it at the end. The Bills would have crushed Miami if they were fully healthy, and not playing in 100+ degree heat index weather. Lets hope the Bills get healthy quickly, and get back to dominating teams as soon as possible!! Go Bills!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 21 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said: I am not sure on this, but isn't ten seconds left normally enough to get the ball spotted so QB can spike it? At this point, 10 seconds is probably about the extreme outside limit of how fast any team can be realistically expected to clock a snap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 It wasn't 10 seconds. It was 9 maybe even closer to 8 as others have posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 It was 8 seconds. And Bass would’ve missed again anyway. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 More concerned about poor officiating all day. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Even if they were slow, the Bills never should’ve let it come down to that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: More concerned about poor officiating all day. Fans will one day realize that officiating is subjective and there will be mistakes made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, BGORDO said: Yawn. You use that as one of your 19 posts? 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: I was watching the ref spot the ball and rush out of the way of the center and OL and thought he was doing a pretty solid job of quickly his job and then getting the heck out of the way. There may have been some slowness leading up to that somewhere... But this loss has nothing to do with how quick the ball was spotted! We greatly outplayed Miami all day long, just didn't convert that into points. If we had, we could have won in any one of a bunch of different ways, by different scores. I originally thought that the ref was taking his time but when I went back and took a look at it again he was not the fact of the matter is the past play took too long for the receiver to get down 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 This was not a problem. The Refs were not slow on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 29 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Fans will one day realize that officiating is subjective and there will be mistakes made. When will this happen? I'll be long in the ground i think... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said: There was ten seconds left when McKenzie went down. He tried to run the ball to the ref and a Dolphin slowed him for a second. I am not sure on this, but isn't ten seconds left normally enough to get the ball spotted so QB can spike it? If Josh had spiked it, I think Bass would have drilled the winner from 60 yards. Of course, we will never know. So help me out board, were the refs slow on getting the ball down there? Or we just cut it too close? Without that holding call just before this, it wouldn’t have even been a topic. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said: There was ten seconds left when McKenzie went down. He tried to run the ball to the ref and a Dolphin slowed him for a second. I am not sure on this, but isn't ten seconds left normally enough to get the ball spotted so QB can spike it? If Josh had spiked it, I think Bass would have drilled the winner from 60 yards. Of course, we will never know. So help me out board, were the refs slow on getting the ball down there? Or we just cut it too close? It was just turning from 0:10 to 0:09 when he went down. He got his knee off the ground at 0:08. He ran towards the middle of the field and at 0:05, he threw it to the ref. At 0:04, the ref had it, but he was about halfway between the numbers and the hashes., and the Bills were still moving and couldn't know where to line up since the ball was still in the ref's hand. He moved quickly through a group of players and put it down at 0:01. Just not enough time. Sometimes 0:09 is enough, but McKenzie was way over by the sidelines and had a crowd to get through. 1 hour ago, Locomark said: Without that holding call just before this, it wouldn’t have even been a topic. Yeah, that was a killer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Locomark said: Without that holding call just before this, it wouldn’t have even been a topic. That holding was devastating. Yards and lost time there. Put them right behind the 8 ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 https://youtu.be/FDyqFMbukxQ?t=660 Here's the last few minutes of the game, cued up to the McKenzie run before he goes down, if you want to analyze it Zapruder style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 9 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said: There was ten seconds left when McKenzie went down. He tried to run the ball to the ref and a Dolphin slowed him for a second. I am not sure on this, but isn't ten seconds left normally enough to get the ball spotted so QB can spike it? If Josh had spiked it, I think Bass would have drilled the winner from 60 yards. Of course, we will never know. So help me out board, were the refs slow on getting the ball down there? Or we just cut it too close? The OL also took their sweet time getting to the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 As exhausted as we were we weren't gonna do it. The Fins let us wear ourselves out. They were amazing to hold on to keep us from scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 It looked like the last play was a completely broken play anyway. Under the circumstances Josh should have thrown it away. Tossing to the centre of the field to McKenzie and making something out of nothing, is a great quality that Josh has but not in that situation with so little time left. McKenzie for his part needs to drop the pass on purpose or just get down right away where he catches it. Unfortunately a bone headed play for all involved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Livinginthepast said: It looked like the last play was a completely broken play anyway. Under the circumstances Josh should have thrown it away. Tossing to the centre of the field to McKenzie and making something out of nothing, is a great quality that Josh has but not in that situation with so little time left. McKenzie for his part needs to drop the pass on purpose or just get down right away where he catches it. Unfortunately a bone headed play for all involved. If McKenzie had just run forward instead of towards the sidelines, he would have saved 3 or 4 seconds. The refs could have spotted the ball and they would have only lost 2 or 3 yards. Players nowadays aren't coached to think. I'll probably get flamed, but I've seen Beasley make that play instead of killing clock. Oh well! Onto Baltimore. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 27 minutes ago, fasteddie said: If McKenzie had just run forward instead of towards the sidelines, he would have saved 3 or 4 seconds. The refs could have spotted the ball and they would have only lost 2 or 3 yards. Players nowadays aren't coached to think. I'll probably get flamed, but I've seen Beasley make that play instead of killing clock. Oh well! Onto Baltimore. I agree if he runs forward and gets tackled, we get an extra play there. But it's hard to fault the guy. His first priority is getting out of bounds. Second priority was getting it in Bass's range. That would be next level awareness for Ike to have gotten down in the middle of the field with 11 seconds there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 its too late now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 The Bills should have been lined up and ready to go by the time the ball was spotted. But they were all dead tired and looked like they physically could not get it done. Even with that, they could have only snapped it with maybe 1 second left. It was a lot to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 McKenzie should have cut upfield and gotten down the impossible run to the sideline cost time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, fasteddie said: If McKenzie had just run forward instead of towards the sidelines, he would have saved 3 or 4 seconds. The refs could have spotted the ball and they would have only lost 2 or 3 yards. Players nowadays aren't coached to think. I'll probably get flamed, but I've seen Beasley make that play instead of killing clock. Oh well! Onto Baltimore. Bass wasn’t making a 60+ yard field goal. We needed the extra yards. And I believe in that scenario we’re looking at like a 63 or 65 yard field goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 As badly biased as the officiating was, I can't blame the refs for the time it took to spot the ball. They did what they could, as quick as they could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Like this? 👇 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGORDO Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 20 hours ago, John from Riverside said: You use that as one of your 19 posts? I originally thought that the ref was taking his time but when I went back and took a look at it again he was not the fact of the matter is the past play took too long for the receiver to get down Smart, thoughtful and productive post. Keep up the good work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 minute ago, BGORDO said: Smart, thoughtful and productive post. Keep up the good work! Monkey see monkey do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 11 hours ago, Livinginthepast said: It looked like the last play was a completely broken play anyway. Under the circumstances Josh should have thrown it away. Tossing to the centre of the field to McKenzie and making something out of nothing, is a great quality that Josh has but not in that situation with so little time left. McKenzie for his part needs to drop the pass on purpose or just get down right away where he catches it. Unfortunately a bone headed play for all involved. Isaiah had a clear path to the 45 ob marker which would've stopped the clock around 6-7 seconds. But he tried to go upfield closer to the 40 which got him run down. At least at the 45 Bass could've attempted a 62 yarder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 Can't fault McKenzie, he was under extreme duress and exhausted. But I appreciate the helpful posts on timing as I was legitimately curious (could have done without the "yawn") - I can accept there were 8-9 seconds left and 10 is the minimum. Game of not only inches, but a second or two. Too bad about the darn holding penalty, Bass (in my mind), would have for sure popped a 57 yarder without the hold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 1:01 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said: Fans will one day realize that officiating is subjective and there will be mistakes made. True. Coaching also. But I'll really get thumbs down and puking for that statement. Dollars. Buffalo is still statistically superior though working out Jordan Howard or Lataveyus Murray isn't a bad idea. Miami 3.5 point dogs thursday likely to lose by 6 or more. This is the NFL and there's a 17th game to work with and logical explanations galore for cover. Yet none more logical than this man's post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 My biggest take away from that last play is that I wish McKenzie would have tried to get out of bounds. He looked like he had a chance, but at the last second, he decided to get a couple of extra yards to help out Bass. Hindsight is 20/20, but I think he could have gotten out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rat-boy Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 On 9/25/2022 at 11:01 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said: Fans will one day realize that officiating is subjective and there will be mistakes made. Realization won’t prevent them from moaning and groaning about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 (edited) On 9/26/2022 at 12:58 AM, ALLEN1QB said: More concerned about poor officiating all day. The officiating was fine on Sunday. We had a few borderline calls go against us, but so did Miami. I'm thinking specifically of a defensive holding call that we got in the first quarter that was basically a phantom. The refs also didn't give Miami a TD on a rushing play where the RB obviously broke the plane of the goal line, but the view was too obstructed to overturn. Also, I forget when this happened, but we got away with a false start on a play down near their goal line -- we either scored on that play or it set up a score. Edited September 27, 2022 by BillsFanSD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Revisiting the 10 seconds is an exercise in futility. The game difference was Bass's missed field goal. What was it? A 33 yarder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said: My biggest take away from that last play is that I wish McKenzie would have tried to get out of bounds. He looked like he had a chance, but at the last second, he decided to get a couple of extra yards to help out Bass. Hindsight is 20/20, but I think he could have gotten out. Even if he did get out of bounds it would have around a 60 yard FG attempt. We could point to a number of plays where they lost the game but it wasn't on the last play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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