Get The Ball Spotted Ref!

[MarlinTheMagician]

There was ten seconds left when McKenzie went down.  He tried to run the ball to the ref and a Dolphin slowed him for a second.  I am not sure on this, but isn't ten seconds left normally enough to get the ball spotted so QB can spike it?  If Josh had spiked it, I think Bass would have drilled the winner from 60 yards.  Of course, we will never know.  So help me out board, were the refs slow on getting the ball down there?  Or we just cut it too close?

[BGORDO]

Yawn.

[Nextmanup]

I was watching the ref spot the ball and rush out of the way of the center and OL and thought he was doing a pretty solid job of quickly his job and then getting the heck out of the way.

 

There may have been some slowness leading up to that somewhere...

 

But this loss has nothing to do with how quick the ball was spotted!

 

We greatly outplayed Miami all day long, just didn't convert that into points.

 

If we had, we could have won in any one of a bunch of different ways, by different scores.

 

 

[MarlinTheMagician]

Fair enough.  But I think teams probably know what is considered "just enough" - anybody know what that is?  Do you usually get a chance to spike it if player is down with 10 seconds left, or no?

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

OP, I think you are correct that they could have gotten the spike with 10 seconds left. Problem is, McKenzie pops up with 8 seconds left. McKenzie is very much still running with the ball at the 10 second mark. I disagree though that Bass would have made it from 60.

4 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

Fair enough.  But I think teams probably know what is considered "just enough" - anybody know what that is?  Do you usually get a chance to spike it if player is down with 10 seconds left, or no?

 

If you watch the video I think you can conclude the Bills would have spiked it just in time if they had 10 seconds. But they had 8 seconds by the time McKenzie gets up. In fact, McKenzie is on one knee in the act of getting up at 8 seconds. 

[Special K]

There were a lot of "if's" in this game, any one of them going the other way would have meant a W for the Bills. 

 

One thing is for sure, if the Bills were to pull that game out at the end, it would have been a soul-crushing defeat for Miami.....one that could have affected them for the rest of the season.

 

I actually found it very admirable how hard the under-manned Bills fought just to have a chance to steal it at the end. The Bills would have crushed Miami if they were fully healthy, and not playing in 100+ degree heat index weather.

 

Lets hope the Bills get healthy quickly, and get back to dominating teams as soon as possible!!

 

Go Bills!!

[Simon]

21 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

I am not sure on this, but isn't ten seconds left normally enough to get the ball spotted so QB can spike it?

 

At this point, 10 seconds is probably about the extreme outside limit of how fast any team can be realistically expected to clock a snap.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

It wasn't 10 seconds.  It was 9 maybe even closer to 8 as others have posted.

[Airseven]

It was 8 seconds. And Bass would’ve missed again anyway.

[ALLEN1QB]

More concerned about poor officiating all day.

[gobills404]

Even if they were slow, the Bills never should’ve let it come down to that

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said:

More concerned about poor officiating all day.

Fans will one day realize that officiating is subjective and there will be mistakes made.

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, BGORDO said:

Yawn.

You use that as one of your 19 posts?

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

I was watching the ref spot the ball and rush out of the way of the center and OL and thought he was doing a pretty solid job of quickly his job and then getting the heck out of the way.

 

There may have been some slowness leading up to that somewhere...

 

But this loss has nothing to do with how quick the ball was spotted!

 

We greatly outplayed Miami all day long, just didn't convert that into points.

 

If we had, we could have won in any one of a bunch of different ways, by different scores.

 

 

I originally thought that the ref was taking his time but when I went back and took a look at it again he was not the fact of the matter is the past play took too long for the receiver to get down

[Malazan]

This was not a problem. The Refs were not slow on this. 

[Aussie Joe]

29 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Fans will one day realize that officiating is subjective and there will be mistakes made.

 

When will this happen?

 

I'll be long in the ground i think...

[Locomark]

2 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

There was ten seconds left when McKenzie went down.  He tried to run the ball to the ref and a Dolphin slowed him for a second.  I am not sure on this, but isn't ten seconds left normally enough to get the ball spotted so QB can spike it?  If Josh had spiked it, I think Bass would have drilled the winner from 60 yards.  Of course, we will never know.  So help me out board, were the refs slow on getting the ball down there?  Or we just cut it too close?

Without that holding call just before this, it wouldn’t have even been a topic. 

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

There was ten seconds left when McKenzie went down.  He tried to run the ball to the ref and a Dolphin slowed him for a second.  I am not sure on this, but isn't ten seconds left normally enough to get the ball spotted so QB can spike it?  If Josh had spiked it, I think Bass would have drilled the winner from 60 yards.  Of course, we will never know.  So help me out board, were the refs slow on getting the ball down there?  Or we just cut it too close?

 

 

It was just turning from 0:10 to 0:09 when he went down. He got his knee off the ground at 0:08. He ran towards the middle of the field and at 0:05, he threw it to the ref. At 0:04, the ref had it, but he was about halfway between the numbers and the hashes., and the Bills were still moving and couldn't know where to line up since the ball was still in the ref's hand. He moved quickly through a group of players and put it down at 0:01.

 

Just not enough time. 

 

Sometimes 0:09 is enough, but McKenzie was way over by the sidelines and had a crowd to get through.

 

 

1 hour ago, Locomark said:

Without that holding call just before this, it wouldn’t have even been a topic. 

 

 

Yeah, that was a killer.

[May Day 10]

3 hours ago, Locomark said:

Without that holding call just before this, it wouldn’t have even been a topic. 

That holding was devastating.   Yards and lost time there.  Put them right behind the 8 ball

[Just Jack]

https://youtu.be/FDyqFMbukxQ?t=660

 

Here's the last few minutes of the game, cued up to the McKenzie run before he goes down, if you want to analyze it Zapruder style. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

9 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

There was ten seconds left when McKenzie went down.  He tried to run the ball to the ref and a Dolphin slowed him for a second.  I am not sure on this, but isn't ten seconds left normally enough to get the ball spotted so QB can spike it?  If Josh had spiked it, I think Bass would have drilled the winner from 60 yards.  Of course, we will never know.  So help me out board, were the refs slow on getting the ball down there?  Or we just cut it too close?

The OL also took their sweet time getting to the line. 

[boyst]

As exhausted as we were we weren't gonna do it.

 

The Fins let us wear ourselves out. They were amazing to hold on to keep us from scoring. 

[Livinginthepast]

It looked like the last play was a completely broken play anyway. Under the circumstances Josh should have thrown it away. Tossing to the centre of the field to McKenzie and making something out of nothing, is a great quality that Josh has but not in that situation with so little time left. McKenzie for his part needs to drop the pass on purpose or just get down right away where he catches it. Unfortunately a bone headed play for all involved.

[fasteddie]

1 hour ago, Livinginthepast said:

It looked like the last play was a completely broken play anyway. Under the circumstances Josh should have thrown it away. Tossing to the centre of the field to McKenzie and making something out of nothing, is a great quality that Josh has but not in that situation with so little time left. McKenzie for his part needs to drop the pass on purpose or just get down right away where he catches it. Unfortunately a bone headed play for all involved.

If McKenzie had just run forward instead of towards the sidelines, he would have saved 3 or 4 seconds. The refs could have spotted the ball and they would have only lost 2 or 3 yards. Players nowadays aren't coached to think. I'll probably get flamed, but I've seen Beasley make that play instead of killing clock. Oh well! Onto Baltimore. 

[TheBrownBear]

27 minutes ago, fasteddie said:

If McKenzie had just run forward instead of towards the sidelines, he would have saved 3 or 4 seconds. The refs could have spotted the ball and they would have only lost 2 or 3 yards. Players nowadays aren't coached to think. I'll probably get flamed, but I've seen Beasley make that play instead of killing clock. Oh well! Onto Baltimore. 

I agree if he runs forward and gets tackled, we get an extra play there.  But it's hard to fault the guy.  His first priority is getting out of bounds.  Second priority was getting it in Bass's range.  That would be next level awareness for Ike to have gotten down in the middle of the field with 11 seconds there.  

[Matt_In_NH]

its too late now

[MJS]

The Bills should have been lined up and ready to go by the time the ball was spotted. But they were all dead tired and looked like they physically could not get it done. Even with that, they could have only snapped it with maybe 1 second left. It was a lot to ask.

[Dr.Sack]

McKenzie should have cut upfield and gotten down the impossible run to the sideline cost time.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, fasteddie said:

If McKenzie had just run forward instead of towards the sidelines, he would have saved 3 or 4 seconds. The refs could have spotted the ball and they would have only lost 2 or 3 yards. Players nowadays aren't coached to think. I'll probably get flamed, but I've seen Beasley make that play instead of killing clock. Oh well! Onto Baltimore. 

Bass wasn’t making a 60+ yard field goal. We needed the extra yards. And I believe in that scenario we’re looking at like a 63 or 65 yard field goal.

[The Red King]

As badly biased as the officiating was, I can't blame the refs for the time it took to spot the ball.  They did what they could, as quick as they could.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Like this? 👇

 

[BGORDO]

20 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

You use that as one of your 19 posts?

I originally thought that the ref was taking his time but when I went back and took a look at it again he was not the fact of the matter is the past play took too long for the receiver to get down

Smart, thoughtful and productive post. Keep up the good work!

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, BGORDO said:

Smart, thoughtful and productive post. Keep up the good work!

Monkey see monkey do

[LABILLBACKER]

11 hours ago, Livinginthepast said:

It looked like the last play was a completely broken play anyway. Under the circumstances Josh should have thrown it away. Tossing to the centre of the field to McKenzie and making something out of nothing, is a great quality that Josh has but not in that situation with so little time left. McKenzie for his part needs to drop the pass on purpose or just get down right away where he catches it. Unfortunately a bone headed play for all involved.

Isaiah had a clear path to the 45 ob marker which would've stopped the clock around 6-7 seconds. But he tried to go upfield closer to the 40 which got him run down. At least at the 45 Bass could've attempted a 62 yarder.

[MarlinTheMagician]

Can't fault McKenzie, he was under extreme duress and exhausted.  But I appreciate the helpful posts on timing as I was legitimately curious (could have done without the "yawn") - I can accept there were 8-9 seconds left and 10 is the minimum.  Game of not only inches, but a second or two.  Too bad about the darn holding penalty, Bass (in my mind), would have for sure popped a 57 yarder without the hold.

[1onemangang7]

On 9/26/2022 at 1:01 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Fans will one day realize that officiating is subjective and there will be mistakes made.

True. Coaching also. But I'll really get thumbs down and puking for that statement. Dollars.  Buffalo is still statistically superior though working out Jordan Howard or Lataveyus Murray isn't a bad idea. Miami 3.5 point dogs thursday likely to lose by 6 or more. This is the NFL and there's a 17th game to work with and logical explanations galore for cover. Yet none more logical than this man's post. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

My biggest take away from that last play is that I wish McKenzie would have tried to get out of bounds. He looked like he had a chance, but at the last second, he decided to get a couple of extra yards to help out Bass.  Hindsight is 20/20, but I think he could have gotten out.  

[Rat-boy]

On 9/25/2022 at 11:01 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Fans will one day realize that officiating is subjective and there will be mistakes made.

Realization won’t prevent them from moaning and groaning about it. 

[BillsFanSD]

On 9/26/2022 at 12:58 AM, ALLEN1QB said:

More concerned about poor officiating all day.

The officiating was fine on Sunday.  We had a few borderline calls go against us, but so did Miami.  I'm thinking specifically of a defensive holding call that we got in the first quarter that was basically a phantom.  The refs also didn't give Miami a TD on a rushing play where the RB obviously broke the plane of the goal line, but the view was too obstructed to overturn.  Also, I forget when this happened, but we got away with a false start on a play down near their goal line -- we either scored on that play or it set up a score.

Edited September 27, 2022 by BillsFanSD

[boater]

Revisiting the 10 seconds is an exercise in futility.

 

The game difference was Bass's missed field goal. What was it? A 33 yarder?

[Greg S]

1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

My biggest take away from that last play is that I wish McKenzie would have tried to get out of bounds. He looked like he had a chance, but at the last second, he decided to get a couple of extra yards to help out Bass.  Hindsight is 20/20, but I think he could have gotten out.  

 

Even if he did get out of bounds it would have around a 60 yard FG attempt. We could point to a number of plays where they lost the game but it wasn't on the last play.