Edmunds as an EDGE

[Rampage]

[Mc1320]

I am glad you are not on our coaching staff

[blacklabel]

There's really no need to use those types of plays and packages when your front four is creating consistent pressure on their own. That's exactly what they want. Four rush, seven can cover, makes life really tough for most any offense. 

 

Seven sacks without any sort of blitz. Edmunds plays middle linebacker. Maybe we should say it one more time... Edmunds plays middle linebacker. People been trying to shift him around since he was drafted. 

[947]

He is probably the easiest 240lb defensive player in the league to block. I'd rather have Maybin come back to play Edge than Edmunds.

[LeGOATski]

Small brains just want a LB from 1995.

[Da webster guy]

The key to consistently good defense is being disruptive and pressuring the QB with four dudes, as evidenced by our zero blitz evening on Thursday.

 

Keeping Tremaine in the middle and flying around is the best way to use him.  We have guys that are better equipped to rush.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

No, he's suggesting lining Edmunds up on the edge outside of Von, so there's five on the line. 

 

Wouldn't that be having him blitz from the edge, not play as an EDGE?  And if we're doing that, what, are we playing the run with 1 LB?

[Rocket94]

3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I think we have enough depth at LB with Dodson Bernard and Spector 

 

that we should try some 4-3 overloaded blitz looks with Tremaine next to Von.

 

Edmunds really needs to make impact plays and this would give him more opportunities

 

he’s looked good in my opinion when used as a blitzer up the middle

This has been discussed a hundred times the last three years!

[Richard Noggin]

3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I think we have enough depth at LB with Dodson Bernard and Spector 

 

that we should try some 4-3 overloaded blitz looks with Tremaine next to Von.

 

Edmunds really needs to make impact plays and this would give him more opportunities

 

he’s looked good in my opinion when used as a blitzer up the middle

 

Absolutely effing NOT.

 

Leverage and physicality at the point of attack are the weakest parts of the Tremaine Edmunds skillset. He is a shite blitzer, and does not effectively get underneath blockers. We've seen it in games for years now. His measurables and college experience continue to lure fans into thinking he has the potential to slide to the edge. 

 

Alas, he does not. 

[Richard Noggin]

2 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I guess I wasn’t clear.

 

I’m talking about putting him outside of Von as a 5 man front overloaded on one side.

 

It would only be a situational formation used a few times per game

 

In the spirit of fellowship, the Bills DID successfully use Edmunds in this kind of 4-3 "over" alignment against the 49ers a couple of years back. (The game where Josh really broke out as a passer on primetime TV (that laser over Warner to the in-breaking Gabriel Davis).) In that game, Edmunds often lined up out on the strongside edge, and was replaced in the middle by Klein. I don't remember any impact plays from that position, but I do remember the Bills stifling the Shanahan attack and winning the game. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Have we ever tried him there? I didn’t have a chance to read the discussion

Yes. After Klein showed he could play MLB, they would occasionally play a 4-3 and line up Edmunds on the outside in a 2 point stance. He wasn’t an effective pass rusher from that spot as others pointed out last year. He really has no pass rushing skill whatsoever. 

[BullBuchanan]

He's a worse pass rusher than he is a run stopper. His 'out of this world' athleticism bails him out from terrible instincts in pass coverage and run support, but you need to be technically sound and have good instincts to be a capable pass rusher. I'm looking forward to him signing a 100/5 contract with the Raiders in the offseason.

[NI Bills Fan]

I can't believe we've reached almost 3 pages and nobody has suggested paring him with Ed Oliver as the opposite DE as yet!

 

We'd be unstoppable then!

 

 

...(runs for cover!)

[T master]

Aren't him & Greg Roussuea about the same size ? If the Bills are going to experiment with him to see if he can be better at a different position why not ? They did the same thing with Peterson & he turned into one of the best LT in the league .

 

Rossuea - 6' 6" - 266 LB ----- Edmunds - 6' 5" - 249 LB ??? 🤔

 

I've always thought that Edmunds has had to much to think about while playing which i feel has taken away from his abilities in a way if they could have him play in a more see ball get ball mentality would he be better ? His college position was OLB where someone told him what or how to play each down .

 

Now he has to decipher each play who knows what a position change might open up for him he's good where he is but might be great in another spot .

[Big Turk]

I just don't get why people think this is Madden where you can just take a player and put them wherever and they play the same.

Let's start why this is a terrible idea.

 

1. You are taking a starting DE off the field to replace them with a backup MLB to play an MLB out of position at DE.  Literally this alone makes absolutely zero sense.
2. There are different keys and different roles for a DE versus an MLB. Edmunds would be learning these from scratch.
3. Edmunds is not a great pass rusher
4. It makes no sense from a defensive standpoint

[Matt_In_NH]

11 hours ago, Shortchaz said:

When he plays edge he’s called Edwards 

Not Edgewards?

Does he have good burst, explosiveness, flexibility?

[nedboy7]

I got him down as TE1 in a few special plays I drew up. 

[Starr Almighty]

Did you come up with this idea after watching the Bucs vs Cowboys. Edmunds is not Parsons. They have different skill sets.

[Mr. WEO]

somebody make it stop

[klos63]

11 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I think we have enough depth at LB with Dodson Bernard and Spector 

 

that we should try some 4-3 overloaded blitz looks with Tremaine next to Von.

 

Edmunds really needs to make impact plays and this would give him more opportunities

 

he’s looked good in my opinion when used as a blitzer up the middle

I we go with with Edmunds next to Miller, and one of those LB's plays the middle, that would make 12 players. Who do you remove from the defense to make this happen?

[goldenboy81]

How many accounts does runjosh have

[JerseyBills]

12 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I think we have enough depth at LB with Dodson Bernard and Spector 

 

that we should try some 4-3 overloaded blitz looks with Tremaine next to Von.

 

Edmunds really needs to make impact plays and this would give him more opportunities

 

he’s looked good in my opinion when used as a blitzer up the middle

I remember in year 1 or 2 he came off the edge against Mia and annihilated Tannehil and the LT. Dude is a great athlete. 

[Dopey]

8 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

He's a worse pass rusher than he is a run stopper. His 'out of this world' athleticism bails him out from terrible instincts in pass coverage and run support, but you need to be technically sound and have good instincts to be a capable pass rusher. I'm looking forward to him signing a 100/5 contract with the Raiders in the offseason.

WTF???

[Big Turk]

48 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I we go with with Edmunds next to Miller, and one of those LB's plays the middle, that would make 12 players. Who do you remove from the defense to make this happen?

 

Von Miller

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

'Edmunds as an EDGE'

Extremely

Difficult

Gaining

Empathy

 

at TBD-TSW?

[BullBuchanan]

55 minutes ago, Dopey said:

WTF???

What part was confusing?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

The one thing that I think most would agree that Edmunds is good at is with his size taking away much of the passing lanes. Probably he provides more value there than many on this board give him credit for too but there are a dozen other threads about that.

 

But the one thing he may be best at, the suggestion is to take that away.

 

And suggesting that after a game we sacked the QB 7 times with zero blitzing!

[JohninMinn.]

He's an arm tackler and has the lowest reaction time in the league. He's a 6'5" scarecrow standing 15 yards off the line in the 2nd layer defensive zone.

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, JohninMinn. said:

He's an arm tackler and has the lowest reaction time in the league. He's a 6'5" scarecrow standing 15 yards off the line in the 2nd layer defensive zone.

Doing the job McD and Frazier want.  Unless you know more than them, of course.

[Warriorspikes51]

Yikes!! hahahaha it was just an idea :) 

[Bruffalo]

 

[Dopey]

5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

What part was confusing?

That you really believe what you wrote in bold. That’s the part of his game that makes him valuable to us. You will not find many in the nfl that does it better than Edmunds, at the mlb spot. 

[KHAN]

19 hours ago, Bangarang said:

He’d probably be an elite TE. 

He'd be elite @ fullback.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Tagging @Leslie Frazier’s suggestion box.

 

alright this thread has done all it can do. 

[BullBuchanan]

50 minutes ago, Dopey said:

That you really believe what you wrote in bold. That’s the part of his game that makes him valuable to us. You will not find many in the nfl that does it better than Edmunds, at the mlb spot. 

That's objectively false. He isn't even the best on his own team. Milano destroys him in coverage. Edmunds allowed a 78% completion percentage and a QBR of 106 last season compared to Milano's 55.2% and 71.9 QBR respectively.

This is reinforced by PFF rankings which don't put him in the top 20 linebackers in the league.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EdmuTr01.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MilaMa00.htm

Going back to what I said, his athleticism makes him a much better coverage linebacker than he would be if he was half a step slower. All the wrong first steps he takes and the additional time he uses to process the play is often offset by a degree because of how big and fast he is. Given that he's been in the league 5 years, I don't see that part of his game making significant improvement. He just doesn't process accurately enough and fast enough to be an elite talent.

He's the kind of player that will fall off a cliff right out of the league on an afternoon where he's a shade slower than he was the week before. I hope we aren't the ones to make the mistake of paying him like the elite player he isn't.

[Simon]

13 hours ago, NI Bills Fan said:

I can't believe we've reached almost 3 pages and nobody has suggested paring him with Ed Oliver as the opposite DE as yet!

 

 

 

They actually did give Oliver some snaps at End last year.

[HOUSE]

20 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

Merge thread.

 

Fill the warehouse 

[Dopey]

2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

That's objectively false. He isn't even the best on his own team. Milano destroys him in coverage. Edmunds allowed a 78% completion percentage and a QBR of 106 last season compared to Milano's 55.2% and 71.9 QBR respectively.

This is reinforced by PFF rankings which don't put him in the top 20 linebackers in the league.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EdmuTr01.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MilaMa00.htm

Going back to what I said, his athleticism makes him a much better coverage linebacker than he would be if he was half a step slower. All the wrong first steps he takes and the additional time he uses to process the play is often offset by a degree because of how big and fast he is. Given that he's been in the league 5 years, I don't see that part of his game making significant improvement. He just doesn't process accurately enough and fast enough to be an elite talent.

He's the kind of player that will fall off a cliff right out of the league on an afternoon where he's a shade slower than he was the week before. I hope we aren't the ones to make the mistake of paying him like the elite player he isn't.

Pretty sure I wrote at mlb. Pretty sure. Before you say he’s not a mlb cuz we play 2 lbs, ok, ILB. It’s easy to just dump the ball in front of Edmunds cuz he clogs the passing lanes and our coaching staff was ok with that. We were a “keep it in front of you” defense last year. He’s going to give up those numbers playing the way we did.  He doesn’t give up the big play. Deceiving stats, if you ask me. He played the position the way our staff wanted him to. That was by design. But if you wanna bring up Milano, he gave up the td to Kelcey in our playoff loss to KC( he got Mossed). You should have seen Milano give up that long run for a td in the NE loss too. I like Milano and won’t compare the two cuz they are asked to do different things out there. Weak and lazy comparison, IMO. 
Hell, Edmunds created at least one interception last week with his presence out there. But since he didn’t intercept it people don’t see it. And no official stat to show he impacted the play and caused the int. PFF?!? 😂 You really going “stat boy” on this? I prefer watching the game and drawing my own conclusion.  

Edited September 13, 2022 by Dopey

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Probably should have tried him at punter 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

20 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

In the spirit of fellowship, the Bills DID successfully use Edmunds in this kind of 4-3 "over" alignment against the 49ers a couple of years back. (The game where Josh really broke out as a passer on primetime TV (that laser over Warner to the in-breaking Gabriel Davis).) In that game, Edmunds often lined up out on the strongside edge, and was replaced in the middle by Klein. I don't remember any impact plays from that position, but I do remember the Bills stifling the Shanahan attack and winning the game. 

That's interesting. 

 

So it looks like the Bills actually used the formation proposed by the OP.

 

Wow !

 

The Bills used the formation to shut down Shanahans stretch zone running attack !

Edited September 13, 2022 by JakeFrommStateFarm