Now is the time: Get that veteran CB

[Wizard]

 

Until Tre White is on the field making plays again, and we have Elam and Jackson as the projected starting corners, I can't see the harm of bringing Waynes, Haden, Harris, Rhodes, or Sherman in.

 

Their experience and understanding of the position, schemes, and other player tendencies alone is worth shuffling a few dollars to one of them and bring that vet presence alongside Hyde and Poyer.

 

I know that Haden has been reported as an interest to some current Bills.

 

Has Beane brought any of these guys in for a visit?

 

 

[JoPoy88]

3 minutes ago, Wizard said:

 

Until Tre White is on the field making plays again, and we have Elam and Jackson as the projected starting corners, I can't see the harm of bringing Waynes, Haden, Harris, Rhodes, or Sherman in.

 

Their experience and understanding of the position, schemes, and other player tendencies alone is worth shuffling a few dollars to one of them and bring that vet presence alongside Hyde and Poyer.

 

I know that Haden has been reported as an interest to some current Bills.

 

Has Beane brought any of these guys in for a visit?

 

 

you already know the answer to this. Clearly right now they’re comfortable with what they have at CB else they would have hosted at least one of the guys you named. Some of whom are completely washed btw.

[ytownblofan]

My guess is they want to see how the first preseason game goes. Our passing offense is supposed to be elite, so it would be expected that they would struggle. Let’s see how they play against another team and go from there. 

[TBBills]

 

 

[Beast]

6 minutes ago, TBBills said:

 

 

 

So, are you saying the OP has some really bad football takes?

 

LOL

[Big Turk]

Considering how well they are able to coach up late round picks or UDFAs to come in and not miss a beat(Dane Jackson, Levi Wallace, and Cam Lewis), perhaps they feel they can just coach up the guys they already have there now like they have the past several years?

 

Apparently their 6th round CB is playing very well at camp...so well he was getting some time with the 1s and was holding his own against Diggs.

Edited August 7, 2022 by Big Turk

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Agree with the OP. Go get a veteran CB. McD has had White start every game until his injury. Those saying they can coach up a low round pick, that was true because they had an All-Pro on the other side.

Signing a veteran allows them to put White on the PUP list and bring him back mid-season.

[NewEra]

If there’s no guaranteed money, sure.  
 

If they don’t sign one, they’re happy with what they have and likely expect Tre’Mendious to play week 1 

[Shaw66]

If it's going to happen, there will be visits next week.  I don't see how they can wait until after the first preseason game.   They're not installing a vet in their defensive scheme in two weeks.  

 

Every day that goes by, it looks more like they're going with what they have.   One thing that probably means is that we're going to start to see Tre'Davious on the field pretty soon.   

[Augie]

BUTCH BYRD!!!

 

 

 

 

for the wall. 

 

 

I think we’ll be “fine” early on, and then just get better. 

 

 

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Edited August 7, 2022 by Augie

[billybrew1]

I think we stay the course….

 

Our current CBs are going to step it up….

 

No need to panic.

 

Now the OL, on the other hand…. We need a better sixth OL…. Someone who can push Quessenberry to 7th and Doyle to 8th….

 

imho, that is…. That is where we need the most help….the OL….

[Success]

Dane Jackson was really good last year.  And I think if you get a CB as early as we did, he has to start.

 

I'm cool standing pat.

 

[BillsShredder83]

7 minutes ago, Success said:

Dane Jackson was really good last year.  And I think if you get a CB as early as we did, he has to start.

 

I'm cool standing pat.

 

I generally agree, just wish the gauntlet of our schedule wasn't right up fromt

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

Considering how well they are able to coach up late round picks or UDFAs to come in and not miss a beat(Dane Jackson, Levi Wallace, and Cam Lewis), perhaps they feel they can just coach up the guys they already have there now like they have the past several years?

 

I agree with development here of our DBs - but they've been lucky to have 2 cornerstone safeties to rely on for 5 seasons now.  AND an elite CB1 that takes pressure off. 

 

Our DBs after the White injury played against ONE elite offense up until the KC game and got embarrassed in both - the other being Tampa.

 

We played whatever the hell Carolina lined up with, Atlanta (both at home), the Jets, Patriots twice, and then a third time in the playoffs.  

 

We can say our CB development has been very good - Taron and Wallace being 2 of them.  I like Dane, McCloud, and the promise of the rookies.   

 

But we absolutely cannot say that this secondary can hold its own without Tre - right now.  Not with the first 7 games we play - no way. 

 

If we go 3-3 going into Green Bay and get White back by then, I legit think I'd take that.  The 3 toughest games being at Rams, at KC, and at Baltimore.  

 

 

BUT if the front 7 is nasty, that's the game changer. 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

55 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Agree with the OP. Go get a veteran CB. McD has had White start every game until his injury. Those saying they can coach up a low round pick, that was true because they had an All-Pro on the other side.

Signing a veteran allows them to put White on the PUP list and bring him back mid-season.

Everybody says they’re good with what they got, stand pat until the current set of DBs get cooked covering the opponents receivers. If they can’t cover the receivers on they’re roster now, what makes you think they’ll be ready by week one? Yes, the current set of guys may have upside but it is important for the Bills to get off to a hot start. Those early losses to subpar teams hurt the Bills in securing home field. Home field/1st rd bye only helps to get to final destination 

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

I think we will wait until we play a preseason game and get a good feel for the progress of Elam, Benford, and McCloud. Tre may not be ready for week 1, but the Bills may prefer to develop our young talent instead of bringing in an over-the-hill veteran.

 

We don't have much cap room left and I'd rather spend that on o-line depth to protect our franchise qb.

Edited August 7, 2022 by Allen2Diggs

[Virgil]

I really think people underestimate how high the coaches are on Dane Jackson.  I do agree with a veteran signing for depth because we are another injury away from being in trouble.  
 

But when Tre is back, we are in great shape, decent now with Jackson and Elam 

[Big Turk]

40 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

I agree with development here of our DBs - but they've been lucky to have 2 cornerstone safeties to rely on for 5 seasons now.  AND an elite CB1 that takes pressure off. 

 

Our DBs after the White injury played against ONE elite offense up until the KC game and got embarrassed in both - the other being Tampa.

 

We played whatever the hell Carolina lined up with, Atlanta (both at home), the Jets, Patriots twice, and then a third time in the playoffs.  

 

We can say our CB development has been very good - Taron and Wallace being 2 of them.  I like Dane, McCloud, and the promise of the rookies.   

 

But we absolutely cannot say that this secondary can hold its own without Tre - right now.  Not with the first 7 games we play - no way. 

 

If we go 3-3 going into Green Bay and get White back by then, I legit think I'd take that.  The 3 toughest games being at Rams, at KC, and at Baltimore.  

 

 

BUT if the front 7 is nasty, that's the game changer. 

 

 

We can always just outscore teams.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Who do you cut then? 
 

White, Elam, Taron, Dane are all locks. It sounds like Bender is a lock. Both Cam and McCloud are supposedly playing great, and both of those guys give us more versatility. 
 

I think they would have to basically IR or PUP White, but even then, we would probably have to cut one or more of these other guys. 

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, Wizard said:

 

Until Tre White is on the field making plays again, and we have Elam and Jackson as the projected starting corners, I can't see the harm of bringing Waynes, Haden, Harris, Rhodes, or Sherman in.

 

Their experience and understanding of the position, schemes, and other player tendencies alone is worth shuffling a few dollars to one of them and bring that vet presence alongside Hyde and Poyer.

 

I know that Haden has been reported as an interest to some current Bills.

 

Has Beane brought any of these guys in for a visit?

 

 

There is about as good a chance of bringing in a known veteran corner as there is with making the McDermott era end lol

Edited August 7, 2022 by John from Riverside

[TheBrownBear]

With the improvements from Dane, McCloud and Lewis, and Benford already showing out as a rook (and of course, Elam too), I think we look good at CB.  I'd much prefer to keep all of these young guys around than sign a vet on his last legs.  Going to be hard to keep all of these guys as is.  I can't imagine any of the backups (McCloud, Lewis or Benford) lasting on the practice squad for long.  They would be poached in a hurry.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

I may have missed it, but what makes now in particular the time?

[ChasBB]

2 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

I think we will wait until we play a preseason game and get a good feel for the progress of Elam, Benford, and McCloud. Tre may not be ready for week 1, but the Bills may prefer to develop our young talent instead of bringing in an over-the-hill veteran.

 

We don't have much cap room left and I'd rather spend that on o-line depth to protect our franchise qb.

Agree - only so much cap space available and Bills are likely trying to re-work Poyer's deal, so they may not have the luxury.  Also, maybe there's a few CBs that Beane likes on other rosters that may become available as teams pare down to their 53.

[BillsFanForever19]

5 hours ago, Wizard said:

 

Until Tre White is on the field making plays again, and we have Elam and Jackson as the projected starting corners, I can't see the harm of bringing Waynes, Haden, Harris, Rhodes, or Sherman in.

 

Their experience and understanding of the position, schemes, and other player tendencies alone is worth shuffling a few dollars to one of them and bring that vet presence alongside Hyde and Poyer.

 

I know that Haden has been reported as an interest to some current Bills.

 

Has Beane brought any of these guys in for a visit?

 

Training Camp ends in less than a week. If this were to happen, it would have happened by now. I don't see McDermott plugging a guy into start without having Training Camp to gel with the rest of the Defense under their belt.

[BillsFanForever19]

3 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

We don't have much cap room left and I'd rather spend that on o-line depth to protect our franchise qb.

 

There is currently *18* Offensive Lineman on the roster.

They signed Rodger Saffold, David Quessenberry, Greg Mancz, Greg Van Roten, Jordan Simmons, and Bobby Hart. They re-signed Ryan Bates and Ike Boettger. They drafted Luke Tenuta and signed Alec Anderson, Derek Kersetter, and Tanner Owen as UDFA's.

 

You aren't going to see any more moves on the O-Line. They've already addressed it HEAVILY. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

11 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

There is currently *18* Offensive Lineman on the roster.

They signed Rodger Saffold, David Quessenberry, Greg Mancz, Greg Van Roten, Jordan Simmons, and Bobby Hart. They re-signed Ryan Bates and Ike Boettger. They drafted Luke Tenuta and signed Alec Anderson, Derek Kersetter, and Tanner Owen as UDFA's.

 

You aren't going to see any more moves on the O-Line. They've already addressed it HEAVILY. 

Who starts aside from saffold when ready? 

[MJS]

All indications from camp is that all the young guys and depth players at CB and safety are all looking really good, including the rookies.

 

McDermott has shown throughout his career as a head coach and defensive coordinator that the secondary is his specialty. He seems to always get the best out of those players. We've had one of the best secondaries in the NFL since he got here. And I'm sure he lets Beane know exactly the kinds of guys he is looking for in the secondary.

[BillsFanForever19]

22 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Who starts aside from saffold when ready? 

 

The starting line is without question LT Dion Dawkins, LG Rodger Saffold, C Mitch Morse, RG Ryan Bates, and RT Spencer Brown.

 

I believe you're asking who the RG will be. If they didn't believe Ryan Bates could duplicate the production he had last season when in that role, they never would have matched the long term offer he signed with the Vikings, who were signing him to start. If they thought of Bates as a backup on this team, they'd have let him walk and gotten a cheaper alternative.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

The starting line is without question LT Dion Dawkins, LG Rodger Saffold, C Mitch Morse, RG Ryan Bates, and RT Spencer Brown.

 

I believe you're asking who the RG will be. If they didn't believe Ryan Bates could duplicate the production he had last season when in that role, they never would have matched the long term offer he signed with the Vikings, who were signing him to start. If they thought of Bates as a backup on this team, they'd have let him walk and gotten a cheaper alternative.

sounds right, this all the o line adds are unlikely to help the starting 5. 

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

There is currently *18* Offensive Lineman on the roster.

They signed Rodger Saffold, David Quessenberry, Greg Mancz, Greg Van Roten, Jordan Simmons, and Bobby Hart. They re-signed Ryan Bates and Ike Boettger. They drafted Luke Tenuta and signed Alec Anderson, Derek Kersetter, and Tanner Owen as UDFA's.

 

You aren't going to see any more moves on the O-Line. They've already addressed it HEAVILY. 

We have quantity, but not necessarily quality. Spencer Brown is still recovering from his injury from last season and we don't have a good replacement. If there's a good veteran OT cut, we need to bring them in. We need a veteran like we had with Ty Nsekhe who can fill in without hampering our offense.

 

[gordong]

We haven't even played preseason game yet. But apparently our 1st rd pick sucks.   OR, maybe they are asking him to learn to play off (was mentioned someplace) and not up tight so he learns now when it won't cost the defense points.  

[gordong]

29 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said:

We have quantity, but not necessarily quality. Spencer Brown is still recovering from his injury from last season and we don't have a good replacement. If there's a good veteran OT cut, we need to bring them in. We need a veteran like we had with Ty Nsekhe who can fill in without hampering our offense.

 

David Quessenberry / Doyle are the backup tackles, and from reports Greg Mancz has played well at guard. and Mitch said just recently that the bills had an embarrassment of riches on the O-line.  I'd argue Ty Nsekhe would not even make this team

[HOUSE]

Depends on whom you listen to PFF has Elam as DROY. 

[TBBills]

1 minute ago, HOUSE said:

Depends on whom you listen to PFF has Elam as DROY. 

Damn that means he will be a bust.

[Punching Bag]

15 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Depends on whom you listen to PFF has Elam as DROY. 

 

How much did he contribute to PFF?

 

[BillsFanForever19]

7 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

We have quantity, but not necessarily quality. Spencer Brown is still recovering from his injury from last season and we don't have a good replacement. If there's a good veteran OT cut, we need to bring them in. We need a veteran like we had with Ty Nsekhe who can fill in without hampering our offense.

 

Spencer Brown returned to practice today and he'll be ready for the start of the season. David Quessenberry is the 'Ty Nsekhe' level OT Beane chose amongst all other options available. These are the guys he chose and felt fit the team best. He's not just going to keep signing O-Line talent until he finds one that Allen2Diggs is happy with.

Edited August 7, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[Maynard]

I think they like what they see already and I wouldn’t expect them to make a move. 

[without a drought]

Vontae Davis still owes them 1/2 a game.

[MasterStrategist]

16 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Agree with the OP. Go get a veteran CB. McD has had White start every game until his injury. Those saying they can coach up a low round pick, that was true because they had an All-Pro on the other side.

Signing a veteran allows them to put White on the PUP list and bring him back mid-season.

Only way we bring in a vet:

1. Tre is not expected back, or runs into complications recovering, prior to mid season. OR

2. Injury to either Elam/Dane

 

Otherwise, signing a vet (ie: Joe Haden) has some drawbacks:

1. Cap/cost: we'd likely be looking at a 1 yr $5-6M (fully guaranteed deal).  Much rather we use that money elsewhere, ie: numerous upcoming extensions

2. Said vet will become the 3rd corner, once Tre returns.  To me, not only does this become a waste of money but also a potential locker room issue

3. Young up & comers: rather we not cut a player, like Benford or Lewis/McCloud, who could be future valuable depth and potentially grow into a more prominent role.  

 

Girmven Beanes philosophy of balancing the "now vs future", can't see us signing a vet CB at this stage unless injuries happen.

[Punching Bag]

17 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Only way we bring in a vet:

1. Tre is not expected back, or runs into complications recovering, prior to mid season. OR

2. Injury to either Elam/Dane

 

Otherwise, signing a vet (ie: Joe Haden) has some drawbacks:

1. Cap/cost: we'd likely be looking at a 1 yr $5-6M (fully guaranteed deal).  Much rather we use that money elsewhere, ie: numerous upcoming extensions

2. Said vet will become the 3rd corner, once Tre returns.  To me, not only does this become a waste of money but also a potential locker room issue

3. Young up & comers: rather we not cut a player, like Benford or Lewis/McCloud, who could be future valuable depth and potentially grow into a more prominent role.  

 

Girmven Beanes philosophy of balancing the "now vs future", can't see us signing a vet CB at this stage unless injuries happen.

 

I could see a veteran CB signing on Bills for less than market if it appears that only veteran PS positions were available and Bills were to guarantee certain percentage of snaps for CB when CB was healthy.  QB would have an agreement that player would be able to be traded as long as player was traded after a certain date outside AFCE.  This would keep QB on market later in year if another CB went down but give Bills a CB for first part of the year letting Tre' not having to rush.  Of course the Bills would only make a deal with CB who would be able to fit into Bills defense system.