OT: Belichick says that Mac's improvement is "dramatic"

[T master]

As good as he did as a rookie i wouldn't look past them at all they were pretty good last year & BB is a really good coach he will have them ready to play the Bills will have to bring it week in & week out because they now have a target on their back as one of the best so every team will be bringing it every week .

 

GO BILLS !!!! 

[Fan in Chicago]

With Jones ' dramatic improvement, Wilson getting thicc and Tua impressing, Allen should feel ashamed and scared. 

[Big Turk]

Too bad his noodle arm won't be improved

[Inigo Montoya]

Jones threw a dime to Agholor in the end zone in the AFC Wildcard game. Unfortunately for Jones, Micah Hyde gave him back a nickel and five pennies when he picked it off.

[YoloinOhio]

When belichick starts saying excessively glowing things about his own players, you know they aren’t that good.

 

he never said a damn word about Brady 

[Success]

1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said:

OT: Belichick says that Mac's improvement is "dramatic"

 

...In the Ballet Studio...

 

Or, they might have a standing game of "rock, paper, scissors"....

 

[Beast]

3 hours ago, T master said:

As good as he did as a rookie i wouldn't look past them at all they were pretty good last year & BB is a really good coach he will have them ready to play the Bills will have to bring it week in & week out because they now have a target on their back as one of the best so every team will be bringing it every week .

 

GO BILLS !!!! 

 

Bill Belichick is a sub 500 coach without Tom Brady. ***** Bill Belichick. He's a damned fraud.

[Da webster guy]

4 hours ago, T master said:

As good as he did as a rookie i wouldn't look past them at all they were pretty good last year & BB is a really good coach he will have them ready to play the Bills will have to bring it week in & week out because they now have a target on their back as one of the best so every team will be bringing it every week .

 

GO BILLS !!!! 

BB is a really good DEFENSIVE coach and overall game coach, but I dont think he's a good leader, motivator, team builder or offensive coach.

The word you hear a lot from ex players is 'unrelatable' which is a nice way of saying the dude's a weenie.

3 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Jones threw a dime to Agholor in the end zone in the AFC Wildcard game. Unfortunately for Jones, Micah Hyde gave him back a nickel and five pennies when he picked it off.

Dimes are perfect throws, he put too much air under that ball.

 

insane pick tho.  knifed in between two speedy NFL guys while they were going full tilt and somehow barely touched either dude.  An all time highlight and massive game changer/tone setter for that game.

[MJS]

Jones has a pretty low ceiling because he is limited physically. But that doesn't mean he won't develop into a decent to good QB. He just won't be able to get into that elite range.

 

The Pats have already shown they can win games with him. If he gets better they can continue to be a fringe playoff team for the foreseeable future, even win some playoff games here and there. If they build an elite defense they can even make a Superbowl if the ball bounces their way a few times.

 

But they have a massive roadblock in Josh Allen and the Bills ahead of them, not to mention a conference full of talented, young QB's. But let's not pretend like the Pats can't be a good team with Jones. They've already shown that they can.

[Nelius]

Yeah I'm not buying that this guy suddenly turned into somebody else in 5 months. Talk about hype. Mac has always been kind of soft with limited physical skills, that's not going to suddenly change because he worked really hard in one offseason. He may be alright from a W/L successful game manager perspective but he's not going to impose his will like Josh.

[DrPJax]

15 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I don’t really see it…I think he’ll be consistently good but he came into the league pretty close to his ceiling and faded pretty hard against better competition down the stretch.  A qbs development isn’t always linear with improvements each year…a lot of guys have their best year their rookie year before defenses adjust to their tendencies then flame out 

Maybe other positions , but I think it’s hard to argue that most qbs have their best years in the league as a rookie !  Usually the exact opposite, ala Peyton Mannijg etc. This is one time I would respectfully ask for real life examples, excluding Guys whose career lasted more than a year.  For example it wouldn’t be proof of that thesis if you throw in career scrubs like Rosen or peterman. What legit , franchise, long term starting qb had their best year as a rookie in the modern era?

 

Most either sit for the majority if their rookie year or suffer from  interceptions and low completion percentage.  They improve as they learn to read defenses , despite teams trying to take away their strengths ,because if they didn’t , they wouldn’t  last as starting / franchise qbs.   Their development may not be linear , but it sure isn’t trending down in their subsequent years or they are replaced. Ask mayfield, Darnold, Rosen,,,,,,,oh yeah,,,,,they are all with new teams, replaced because they have physical deficiencies, not because defenses have film on them now.  These guys all have avg or below arm strength and they are immobile ( mayfield less so , but less mobile than Watson on a massage table ).  
 

By that logic , Brady should never be able to complete a pass or win again  as there’s endless film on him.  He , and in  a  similar fashion, Jones , will continue to be productive because they Also study tendencies and film and they have success because of intelligence, countless hours of film study , and despite teams having an abundance of film; they read the d and get the ball to the open guys on time .  I’m  sure if you asked they are better now than they were as rookies. So , yeah , prove to us who these qbs are in real life who had their best years as rookies and are still more than journeyman qbs ! 😀😊

[BillsPride12]

He can show dramatic improvement and yet still suck in the big picture.  They don't have to be mutually exclusive thoughts 

[P Riv]

Jones is limited physically?  lol, I love that one.... Is he more or less athletic than Brady, or maybe pretty comparable?  I would compare his physical ability to the guy with seven rings rather than the "athletic" guys with none or one.  

I would say the Patriots aren't a major factor in our season because they suck at drafting star talent, we don't.  Jones is one they got right, the rest of their drafts are why they aren't keeping up.

[H2o]

2 minutes ago, P Riv said:

Jones is limited physically?  lol, I love that one.... Is he more or less athletic than Brady, or maybe pretty comparable?  I would compare his physical ability to the guy with seven rings rather than the "athletic" guys with none or one.  

I would say the Patriots aren't a major factor in our season because they suck at drafting star talent, we don't.  Jones is one they got right, the rest of their drafts are why they aren't keeping up.

Alabama fan?

 

Jones isn't a bad QB, but he's not the 2nd coming for the Pats either. He's smart and processes things pretty well, but his arm is average at best. He can succeed in a timing based system, but he's not going to wow you with any escape ability or off script plays. Cover One did a breakdown of he and Allen making the exact same throw. Allen's got there in less than 3 seconds I believe.(2.7 maybe ?) Jones' pass was 4.1 and that was the one Hyde picked off. Out of everyone in last year's draft, I always said he was the most pro-ready QB. He does have limitations though. 

[P Riv]

28 minutes ago, H2o said:

Alabama fan?

 

Jones isn't a bad QB, but he's not the 2nd coming for the Pats either. He's smart and processes things pretty well, but his arm is average at best. He can succeed in a timing based system, but he's not going to wow you with any escape ability or off script plays. Cover One did a breakdown of he and Allen making the exact same throw. Allen's got there in less than 3 seconds I believe.(2.7 maybe ?) Jones' pass was 4.1 and that was the one Hyde picked off. Out of everyone in last year's draft, I always said he was the most pro-ready QB. He does have limitations though. 

 

Agree, just remember that NE went 11-5 with Matt Cassel and 3-1 with Garrapolo/other guy(?) because they had very good rosters.  Jones is capable of leading teams like that to the playoffs, but the problem for him is less talent around him than they had.  Seems to me Jones is set to struggle because they suck at drafting and not due to his own "limitations".  Put Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Donte Stallworth out there and the outlook is totally different, no?

Edited July 27, 2022 by P Riv

[MafiaMio]

I'm sure they said that about Jarrett Stidham too

14 hours ago, Beast said:

 

Bill Belichick is a sub 500 coach without Tom Brady. ***** Bill Belichick. He's a damned fraud.

I think he's a great coach, he's just not the GOAT without Brady

[Beast]

54 minutes ago, MafiaMio said:

I'm sure they said that about Jarrett Stidham too

I think he's a great coach, he's just not the GOAT without Brady

 

And I think he sucks. 29 games under .500 against teams with winning records. Losing record overall. ***** Bill Belichick. He sucks and is a fraud.

 

Would you hold onto a coach that has a losing record after 149 games as a head coach?

 

 

Edited July 27, 2022 by Beast

[Buffalo716]

18 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Jones threw a dime to Agholor in the end zone in the AFC Wildcard game. Unfortunately for Jones, Micah Hyde gave him back a nickel and five pennies when he picked it off.

If he had better arm strength it would’ve got there faster and it would’ve been a touchdown

 

It’s hard to call it a dime when there’s quarterbacks in the league who actually make that throw

 

 

 

[Ghost_002!]

Late July analyzing BB speak.

[H2o]

3 hours ago, P Riv said:

 

Agree, just remember that NE went 11-5 with Matt Cassel and 3-1 with Garrapolo/other guy(?) because they had very good rosters.  Jones is capable of leading teams like that to the playoffs, but the problem for him is less talent around him than they had.  Seems to me Jones is set to struggle because they suck at drafting and not due to his own "limitations".  Put Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Donte Stallworth out there and the outlook is totally different, no?

It's not the same Patriots anymore, all the way around. The AFC East is better, their defense is nothing compared to what it used to be, and Josh McDaniels has left the building. You have two coaches from failed HC'ing stints, where their offenses were flat out bad, and they don't even have it settled as to whom is calling the plays. Moss, Welker, Stallworth, Brown, Branch, Givens, Patten, Edelman, Gronk, Hernandez, Watson, none of those guys are walking through the doors. Hypotheticals are useless in this situation. If he's that good, he can make it work with average guys like Brady did for all those years before they had that prolific run. He can't. Jones is not that guy. He was the most Pro-ready QB, but he's not the one with the highest possible ceiling out of that draft class and he's not carrying them to victories. He can be the next coming of Andy Dalton, but neither he, nor the Patriots team he leads, will ever be feared again because of the guy under Center. 

[BillsFanForever19]

Just means he's added monologues and jazz hands to his subpar to average play.

[frostbitmic]

BB can't just come out and say "meh, my QB is still mediocre"

[Punching Bag]

On 7/26/2022 at 11:44 AM, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I understand that Jones has been really impressing

 

He should do his impressions during offseason although I'd like to see his impression of Billi-cheat throwing a fit and a pad.

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

If he had better arm strength it would’ve got there faster and it would’ve been a touchdown

 

It’s hard to call it a dime when there’s quarterbacks in the league who actually make that throw

 

Maybe it is a Canadian dime?  I used to get one in change and then when I'd try to spend it same place would not accept it.

2 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

BB can't just come out and say "meh, my QB is still mediocre"

 

He could also say "My buddy in Alabama told me not to draft Tua and he was right."

[auburnbillsbacker]

On 7/26/2022 at 12:26 PM, JayBaller10 said:

If Mac Jones had Buffalo’s weapons I think he’d be a legitimate concern. His arm strength is much talked about, but it’s decent enough, better than a Chad Pennington. He can get the ball to where it needs to be. Stop comparing his arm talent to Josh Allen, it’s not fair to him. And he doesn’t need Allen’s arm strength, he just needs to know where to go with the football, but needs playmakers to be able to do something with it. He lacks those weapons.

He has 2 really good TEs, a strong line, and a solid running game.  Jones should play well. 

[Mikie2times]

 

"Over a F'in mountain" Belichick said when asked about Mac's arm strength this coming season  

[Since1981]

BB is just hyping his boy. Until I mentally compared Fitz vs Allen. My head exploded at the comparable delivery speed. It’s ridiculously slow, sorry Fitz!!

 

Mac has a ceiling but BB has a vested interest to hype ++. QB trade or convince FA how Pats have “the guy” (ahhh, JP Lossman v2.0, nope!)

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

On 7/27/2022 at 3:53 AM, DrPJax said:

Maybe other positions , but I think it’s hard to argue that most qbs have their best years in the league as a rookie !  Usually the exact opposite, ala Peyton Mannijg etc. This is one time I would respectfully ask for real life examples, excluding Guys whose career lasted more than a year.  For example it wouldn’t be proof of that thesis if you throw in career scrubs like Rosen or peterman. What legit , franchise, long term starting qb had their best year as a rookie in the modern era?

 

Most either sit for the majority if their rookie year or suffer from  interceptions and low completion percentage.  They improve as they learn to read defenses , despite teams trying to take away their strengths ,because if they didn’t , they wouldn’t  last as starting / franchise qbs.   Their development may not be linear , but it sure isn’t trending down in their subsequent years or they are replaced. Ask mayfield, Darnold, Rosen,,,,,,,oh yeah,,,,,they are all with new teams, replaced because they have physical deficiencies, not because defenses have film on them now.  These guys all have avg or below arm strength and they are immobile ( mayfield less so , but less mobile than Watson on a massage table ).  
 

By that logic , Brady should never be able to complete a pass or win again  as there’s endless film on him.  He , and in  a  similar fashion, Jones , will continue to be productive because they Also study tendencies and film and they have success because of intelligence, countless hours of film study , and despite teams having an abundance of film; they read the d and get the ball to the open guys on time .  I’m  sure if you asked they are better now than they were as rookies. So , yeah , prove to us who these qbs are in real life who had their best years as rookies and are still more than journeyman qbs ! 😀😊

Well we don’t know mac is a franchise long term qb yet is the point I was making.  You are not allowing me to give examples of the actual point I was going for 😁 I meant he could just as easily go the baker mayfield route as be the centerpiece of their franchise…one season is just not enough time to tell especially with the way he finished against tougher competition 

 

franchise qbs definitely don’t have their best year their first year but that’s not what I meant…I was talking about the one year wonders that end up being journeymen types 

Edited July 28, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[without a drought]

Good for him, because as the Patriots/Belichick mystique fades away and other teams and refs start to treat them like any other team. Wins will be harder to come by.

 

 

[Punching Bag]

29 minutes ago, without a drought said:

Good for him, because as the Patriots/Belichick mystique fades away and other teams and refs start to treat them like any other team. Wins will be harder to come by.

 

It will also be harder without the Director of Spying who retired although just because Bill-Cheat says he retired does not mean he is not doing the job but just remotely.

[FilthyBeast]

On 7/27/2022 at 12:31 PM, Buffalo716 said:

If he had better arm strength it would’ve got there faster and it would’ve been a touchdown

 

It’s hard to call it a dime when there’s quarterbacks in the league who actually make that throw

 

 

 

That was honestly a great throw and probably would been a TD 9 out of 10 times, but Hyde made a spectacular play and in the process completely changed the momentum of game.

[Scott7975]

21 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

That was honestly a great throw and probably would been a TD 9 out of 10 times, but Hyde made a spectacular play and in the process completely changed the momentum of game.

 

Right... if Allen made that throw you would be talking about how the INT was on Allen because the throw was late, behind, bad decision.

Edited July 28, 2022 by Scott7975

[Buffalo716]

48 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

That was honestly a great throw and probably would been a TD 9 out of 10 times, but Hyde made a spectacular play and in the process completely changed the momentum of game.

Shoulda coulda woulda 

 

And we were going to destroy them regardless

[Rampage]

No Brady, no worries about New England. Mac has a noodle arm and that defense is Swiss cheese. Brady and LT made Belichick’s career. Two of the all-time greats at their positions. Those Sony video cameras as well

were too class, can’t forget those.

Edited July 28, 2022 by Rampage

[FilthyBeast]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Shoulda coulda woulda 

 

And we were going to destroy them regardless

 

Not disputing that, just pointing out it was a great throw/play and Hyde made an even better play to stop it.

[without a drought]

45 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Not disputing that, just pointing out it was a great throw/play and Hyde made an even better play to stop it.

It was probably the best throw I've him make. I was kind of impressed till Hyde really impressed.

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Right... if Allen made that throw you would be talking about how the INT was on Allen because the throw was late, behind, bad decision.

 

I get confused. Is he a JEST excuser, a Phish excuser or a Pat(hetic) excuser?

[hondo in seattle]

On 7/26/2022 at 8:22 PM, Inigo Montoya said:

Jones threw a dime to Agholor in the end zone in the AFC Wildcard game. Unfortunately for Jones, Micah Hyde gave him back a nickel and five pennies when he picked it off.

 

Didn't Cover2 do a video on this?  As I recall, he showed a comparable pass from Allen that shot out like a wire guided missile for a TD.  Jones' pass, while accurate, had too much arc.  

 

I'm sure Jones has improved in other ways but he'll never have Josh's cannon.  

[TBBills]

Little discouraging that you have to come out and say it instead of letting  his play speak for itself.

 

Sounds like you need to boost the confidence of Mac just like had to be done and was shown on TV how he pouts like a child when things don't go his way.

[nucci]

12 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Little discouraging that you have to come out and say it instead of letting  his play speak for itself.

 

Sounds like you need to boost the confidence of Mac just like had to be done and was shown on TV how he pouts like a child when things don't go his way.

what happens when McDermott says a young player has improved dramatically? 

[TBBills]

3 minutes ago, nucci said:

what happens when McDermott says a young player has improved dramatically? 

Has he? Can I see a link of a specific thing. This is a big thing to say, not just improving but drastically. 

Edited July 29, 2022 by TBBills