Manther Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 On 6/24/2022 at 7:50 AM, Bill from NYC said: I don't like to call posters out by name but as far as Jauron, there was one poster who defended him for years. He is either gone or has changed his screen name. The Whitner pick? MANY posters defended this pick, stating that he was "good;" as if this justified the selection. Bill, I agree we should have healthy conversation. When the Bills drafted Whitner instead of you "gotta N'Gata" I was confused. At the time, I was into researching the draft aggressively. When the Bill selected Whitner, I said "who". I was not researching Safeties for the 8 slot at the time. I thought it was a 2nd round position. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Not only that, he was the second safety selected. He also had a domestic incident while at training camp, was a holdout, and collected approx. 36 million dollars in salary, all in real cap dollars. I heard Levy say on the Sirius NFL Channel that he turned down "numerous trade offers" for that pick. Sad but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Doesn't deserve its own thread...and wasn't sure where to post this but a discussion about young players that might get cut seems like the best option. I keep seeing a really annoying headline posted different places that says "Bills release Devin Singletary hype video" so of course every damn time I read the part that says "Bills release Singletary" and wonder what the hell happened. They might as well link the headline to that picture of Peter Pan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 No. I think Ford is the closest to the door. Moss and Epenesa have modest contracts and both have flashed as starting caliber players. Honestly, during the drought years all would be obvious starters now they are in the 40’s maybe 50 in roster rank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 All three have modest contracts, none of them get out right cut, I can see Beane working one of them in a trade deal, we all know our GM & HC don’t give up on high draft picks when they are still in their first contracts…, Go Bills!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 On 6/27/2022 at 1:53 PM, Bill from NYC said: Not only that, he was the second safety selected. He also had a domestic incident while at training camp, was a holdout, and collected approx. 36 million dollars in salary, all in real cap dollars. I heard Levy say on the Sirius NFL Channel that he turned down "numerous trade offers" for that pick. Sad but true. Further proof that Levy while a good HC was a horrible GM. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 I'm 100% keeping Moss. I'll trust Beane when he referenced him still dealing with the aftereffects of his injury last year. Moss looked good in his rookie year and I'd rather have him as an option in 2023 playing for a contract should Singletary walk. Epenesa.. this guy was viewed as a top 10 pick heading into his last year at Iowa. I'm certainly giving him this year, with Von and the other young guys, to try and make his mark. It takes EDGE rushers time to develop and Year 2/Year 3 is typically when it happens for them, if it's going to happen. Ford is definitely in a fight for a roster spot. I'd keep him because he showed legit talent at OU, but I'm not sure he fits Kromer's athletic profile. I have a ton of confidence in Aaron Kromer and will be fine with whoever he decides makes the cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Moss will be retained as depth at RB. Epenesa will as well. Maybe Ford will be released, as he is on his last year of the rookie contract, so only because he is cheap, maybe is 9th on the depth chart. Hopefully he never sees the field as it was ugly just about every time he was on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Moss will be retained as depth at RB. Epenesa will as well. Maybe Ford will be released, as he is on his last year of the rookie contract, so only because he is cheap, maybe is 9th on the depth chart. Hopefully he never sees the field as it was ugly just about every time he was on the field. Maybe at the TJ Yeldon/Matt Breida sense in that likely 3rd on the depth chart and only see action in a handful of games baring injuries. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This is something that really dumbfounds me. How do you get such a good get off but then get stonewalled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 I don't think Moss is going anywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: This is something that really dumbfounds me. How do you get such a good get off but then get stonewalled? It's probably because of his smallish size, it helps with quickness but why he can't really finish and easily gets tossed aside by NFL lineman. Sadly reminds me a lot of Aaron Maybin and why he was a complete bust other than one season with Rex Ryan and the Jets when he had 6 sacks as an OLB/situation pass rusher. Bottom line is NFL DE's need both size and quickness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Any stat that has AJ better than Myles Garrett is a stat that can be instantly disregarded as useless. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 On 6/24/2022 at 5:02 AM, TheWeatherMan said: Moss might be a 4th or 5th string RB at this point. Motor, Cook, Johnson ahead of him. I highly doubt Ford can turn it around and Epenesa has flashed from time to time. He’s a great / cheap rotational player at this point. Everyone seems to forget Taiwan Jones. I would cut HIM before Moss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 4 hours ago, FireChans said: Any stat that has AJ better than Myles Garrett is a stat that can be instantly disregarded as useless. It just says he’s better at the beginning. That’s a good thing. Now, let’s figure out how to fix the middle and the finish. How much does AJ actually weigh this year, I wonder? From what I’ve seen he still looks pretty light. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 Not Moss by most camp reports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 During the drought years there are all starters. I think Epenesa is a lock. Than Moss than Ford. I expect all three make it. 2 seconds and a third rder are on the bubble. The depth of this roster is scary. The journey man or undrafted guys have to play with their hair on fire to beat these guys out. To make this roster you have to be a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 On 6/24/2022 at 8:08 AM, Logic said: The Athletic ran a Bills fan survey last year. One of the questions asked “who will lead the Bills backfield in carries?”. The majority of fans voted Zack Moss. One injury plagued letdown of a season — in which, according to Beane, Moss could not cut off his left foot at all — and Bills fans have completely given up on him. Funny, I remember just prior to last season, when most Bills fans had pretty much given up on Singletary, too. I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it: Moss is going to have a bounceback season. He’s fully healthy, in great shape, and Aaron Kromer is going to improve the run blocking of our offensive line and shift it to more zone running, which suits Moss’ skill set. I’m not saying he’s gonna be an All-Pro, but he’s gonna play productive snaps for this offense. Ford is a bust. I’m done with him. I’m not expecting much from Epenesa either, and I largely blame the coaching staff’s stupid plan to turn a power rusher into a speed rusher. They should have never asked him to do that. If they didn’t like what he was in college, they shouldn’t have drafted him. So far, looks like I was correct about Moss and Ford, and wrong about Epenesa. Of course, the preseason will tell us a lot more. But I'm hearing positive things about Moss and Epenesa, and haven't heard a single positive thing about Ford. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 On 6/24/2022 at 5:38 AM, GunnerBill said: I think Ford is probably on the outside of the 53 looking in as we are sitting here today. They have the presumed starting 5: Dawkins, Saffold, Morse, Bates, Brown and then their top tackle depth (Quess), their top interior depth (Van Roten) and their specialist center backup (which at the moment I'd say is Mancz). That leaves probably 1 spot and I think they are more interested in continuing to develop Doyle than Ford at this point. Moss and AJE would not be shocking cuts, but I expect both to make the 53 as we sit here today. I think Doyle has shown better than Ford. This may be lacking in intelligence, but I believe Moss may have some trade value. I am not saying how much, but some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 Never buy a 25 year old Ford. They leak all over the driveway 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 5 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: It's probably because of his smallish size, it helps with quickness but why he can't really finish and easily gets tossed aside by NFL lineman. Sadly reminds me a lot of Aaron Maybin and why he was a complete bust other than one season with Rex Ryan and the Jets when he had 6 sacks as an OLB/situation pass rusher. Bottom line is NFL DE's need both size and quickness. Oh my.... I don't think I'd go quite that far. While I acknowledge AJ hasn't produced as hoped up to this point and is possibly close to that "now or never" point this season, I don't think he's Maybin type disappointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 AJ is just not NFL caliber, he may stick for another year due to his rookie contract and draft position though. Moss will probably stick for another year as well. Ford probably wont make the cut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Ford sounds like he didn’t make the musical chairs from what I hear in all the reports. I can see AJ and Miss making it for depth. Regarding Ford, just move on. It was a miss. No reason to keep him due to a missed call on the draft. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 I think Ford will make it. They'll likely keep at least 9 OL. Dawkins, Morse, Saffold, Bates, Brown, Doyle, and Quessenberry are all locks. Mancz and Ford will round out that group. Who is going to beat him out, Van Roten? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 14 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I think Ford will make it. They'll likely keep at least 9 OL. Dawkins, Morse, Saffold, Bates, Brown, Doyle, and Quessenberry are all locks. Mancz and Ford will round out that group. Who is going to beat him out, Van Roten? Lol, I don't see why he couldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Nope. All three will make the team. But they aren't starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 5 hours ago, Logic said: So far, looks like I was correct about Moss and Ford, and wrong about Epenesa. Of course, the preseason will tell us a lot more. But I'm hearing positive things about Moss and Epenesa, and haven't heard a single positive thing about Ford. Lots of praise for Epenesa so far in camp, and he has shown flashes in the past. There's no way he isn't making the team. Moss is likely the 3rd RB, and that's fine with me. But maybe Duke Johnson wins the job. Ford may not be a quality starter, but he is decent depth, and he has been getting First-Team reps with others being out with injuries. I see no reason to cut him when he is decent depth who can come in and play at RG or RT if they need him to. Yes, you don't want him as a starter, but you can do a lot worse as a backup. It's not like he has never had a decent game in a Bills uniform. He has. If he gets coached up, he could be fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 I have a little bit of a different viewpoint on this I don’t know what’s gonna happen to these three players but if your bill‘s fans you want them to pan out you really want to bring along your own players and re-sign your own players because it means that your draft reasoning is working sometimes it doesn’t always work out but I hope that they do pan out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 5 hours ago, MJS said: Lots of praise for Epenesa so far in camp, and he has shown flashes in the past. There's no way he isn't making the team. They praised AJ last year too. They said he was a beast and made big improvements etc. Its all smoke, the guy is slow, hes not a power rusher, has no moves and is stiff as a board. Im sure hes a nice guy, but hes not an NFL caliber starting DE. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 6 hours ago, HappyDays said: I think Ford will make it. They'll likely keep at least 9 OL. Dawkins, Morse, Saffold, Bates, Brown, Doyle, and Quessenberry are all locks. Mancz and Ford will round out that group. Who is going to beat him out, Van Roten? I am surprised we haven't heard anything about Van Roten because going in, yes, I'd have had him pretty firmly pencilled in as my 9th. But even with the injuries up front not heard a peep. I know the media have to be careful about saying who is lining up where but can anyone who has attended camp shed any light on whether he has got any work with the 1s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 AJ was a 5 star, and was very productive at iowa. I wonder if he's naturally gifted but low motivation (like star, who had just shocking talent coming out of college) or is just missing a few pieces of the puzzle. either way, i think some of the DL who were brought in were brought in largely to push him and other young linemen towards improving, which makes me think there are motivation and focus issues at least to some extent. i think aj has a 30% chance to work out, moss 20% and ford 5% 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 I think all three are safe. Various reports say Moss is having a good camp. AJ still has 2 years on his rookie deal although this is a big year for him. I could see Ford getting traded at cut down. Bills might want to keep Luke Tenuta as their 9th OL especially if they don't think they could stash him on practice squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 21 minutes ago, colin said: AJ was a 5 star, and was very productive at iowa. I wonder if he's naturally gifted but low motivation (like star, who had just shocking talent coming out of college) or is just missing a few pieces of the puzzle. I think it is that he was a power rusher in college and the Bills have tried to turn him into a totally different player in the pros and want him to be a speed rusher. It is the only reason why I am not yet ready to write AJ off because while it is year 3, it is basically year 2 of trying to be this guy. If he doesn't work out I think some of that is on the Bills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think it is that he was a power rusher in college and the Bills have tried to turn him into a totally different player in the pros and want him to be a speed rusher. It is the only reason why I am not yet ready to write AJ off because while it is year 3, it is basically year 2 of trying to be this guy. If he doesn't work out I think some of that is on the Bills. could be, could be. we must remember power = strength X speed. he's not that strong/big, but has long arms and natural movement ability, and from the stats above, a pretty top notch reaction time. maybe that's what the coaches saw and what motivated them to get him to come off the edge differently. either way, he's short on moves and hasn't gotten many snaps in our rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlbills13 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 First time poster - been reading for a few years. I'm from the St. Louis area. Was a pretty big Rams fan obviously but my love for them started to fade in the last few years before they moved to LA. A lot of St Louis people boycotted the NFL after the Rams left but I just wanted another team to root for. The Bills pretty quickly became my team. Not a total bandwagon fan but my love for the Bills has grown since they got Allen. I'm all in this year and will be taking the 3.5 hour drive to KC for that game in October and hoping to get to Buffalo for a game a few weeks after that. I personally think the hype in Moss' camp is to 1) light a fire under Singeltary and Cook and 2) showcase him for other teams and maybe steal a late draft pick for him. Maybe I'm wrong there and he's probably a good depth guy to have throughout a long season (hopefully 20-21 games) but he just seems like a guy who can't quite put it together on gameday I watched AJ a lot in high school. Not sure he's the big schematic fit but I still haven't totally given up on him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think it is that he was a power rusher in college and the Bills have tried to turn him into a totally different player in the pros and want him to be a speed rusher. It is the only reason why I am not yet ready to write AJ off because while it is year 3, it is basically year 2 of trying to be this guy. If he doesn't work out I think some of that is on the Bills. I think this is right. BBB seemed to express some regret that the Bills could not manage his weight loss during the summer of 2020 due to COVID restrictions and suggested that this hindered his readiness for his rookie season. The Bills' players are regularly showing big year 3 improvements and I would not exclude AJ from this at all. He has looked to me like a player that needed to develop more upper body strength to compete with the bigger bodied OL on a regular basis. As far as the change in body type, I think back to his poor combine testing and how it hurt his draft stock. I'd bet his athletic score would be much better now (sure would be worth knowing) and the Bills seemed to have a plan for him from the get go. Important year for AJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 The chances that Saffold and Bates both make it through a long season without injury are iffy. Right now, it looks to be quite a challenge to just get a practice out of either of them. I would not be at all surprised to see Ford make the team & end up starting 4 or 5 games. He had 7 starts last year with a couple of bad ones and a few that were unawful. He’s not a quality starter but he is depth that so far, has managed to stay healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I know the media have to be careful about saying who is lining up where but can anyone who has attended camp shed any light on whether he has got any work with the 1s? I skimmed the last several Joe Buscaglia training camp reports. He mentions Ford getting a chance with the 1s several times. On the day that Tommy Doyle got injured he says the Bills "worked in" Van Roten at guard and that is the only time I see him mentioned. So based on that admittedly scant evidence it looks like Ford is ahead of him. And for the Bills to keep the veteran contract over the cost controlled rookie contract I think that Van Roten would have to beat him handily. I think they will give Ford one final shot at redemption this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Yes to Ford, surprised he hasn't been cut yet but no to Moss yet and Epenesa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.