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2 2nd Rounders and a 3rd in the last 3 Drafts. They just can’t crack the lineup. There’ve been some injuries that have kept them out of games and we platoon DL & RB. But even when they’re healthy, they’re often scratched on Gameday. Our OL has been a weekly shuffle for a couple seasons now, so assuredly Ford has been offered opportunity, whereas we’ve tended to go with ‘hot hands’ at RB & DE. Can Position coaches, new schemes and new player additions help get them to break through? Or have we seen their best and it ain’t cutting’ it.. 

This guy, along with our resident pessimists @BADOLBILZ & @ScottLaw -who’ll blame McBeane, believes the end is near.

 

 

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Moss might be a 4th or 5th string RB at this point.  Motor, Cook, Johnson ahead of him.  I highly doubt Ford can turn it around and Epenesa has flashed from time to time.  He’s a great / cheap rotational player at this point.  

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3 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Moss might be a 4th or 5th string RB at this point.  Motor, Cook, Johnson ahead of him.  I highly doubt Ford can turn it around and Epenesa has flashed from time to time.  He’s a great / cheap rotational player at this point.  

Moss is a fighter -I’ll give him that. Even if he doesn’t really force defenders to “make business decisions“.  He’s a capable receiver as well. Just a hunch, but I think he’s fallen out of favor for something we haven’t been made aware of.. 🤔

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I think Ford is probably on the outside of the 53 looking in as we are sitting here today. They have the presumed starting 5: Dawkins, Saffold, Morse, Bates, Brown and then their top tackle depth (Quess), their top interior depth (Van Roten) and their specialist center backup (which at the moment I'd say is Mancz). That leaves probably 1 spot and I think they are more interested in continuing to develop Doyle than Ford at this point. 

 

Moss and AJE would not be shocking cuts, but I expect both to make the 53 as we sit here today. 

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Moss played hurt last season; he was not fully recovered from his rookie season-ending injury.  He provides a different sort of skill set than the Bills have with their other backs and I firmly believe he makes this team, even if for nothing more than depth.

 

Epenesa will get at least one more year.  Some guys need more time than others and they won’t give up on him just yet.  It feels like his first two years were about figuring out his correct playing weight and style…he has shown some flashes but needs to be consistent.  I’m not predicting anything past this year.

 

Ford is obviously the one hanging by a thread.  If Beach Chairs doesn’t get through to him he’s a goner.

 

 

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If not traded or injured all 3 will be on the 53 man roster this year. A big part of the “Trust The Process “ philosophy is development. This is a make or break year for all 3. Injuries have gotten in the way of Ford’s & moss’s development. A weight change slowed down Epenesa. No excuses in 2022. You can see the path for all of them to have solid roles. If they don’t take advantage they will be gone next year. 

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I think it's more likely that Ford and Moss are sent packing before Epenesa. I partly blame our staff for having Epenesa drop so much weight. I think instead of using him for his strengths, while gradually bringing along his weight loss, the shock to his system has hampered his development. He also had his first offseason going into his rookie year be the Covid offseason. Basically, at this point, he's like a 2nd year player. Ford has been atrocious imo. Couldn't stick at RT and he can't stick at G. I don't think he really fits the Kromer mold either because he's a slow and lumbering type of OL'man. If he doesn't get cut or traded for peanuts I'll be shocked. Moss is a tougher call. He was meh his rookie year, was supposedly hampered last year due to lingering effects from an ankle injury, and Moss was also part of that same 2020 draft class. The RB room is deep this year, but no one outside of Moss can fill that same power RB mold. It will be a heated camp battle for that group, but I think Beane and McDermott will keep him over Duke Johnson. 

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2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

2 2nd Rounders and a 3rd in the last 3 Drafts. They just can’t crack the lineup. There’ve been some injuries that have kept them out of games and we platoon DL & RB. But even when they’re healthy, they’re often scratched on Gameday. Our OL has been a weekly shuffle for a couple seasons now, so assuredly Ford has been offered opportunity, whereas we’ve tended to go with ‘hot hands’ at RB & DE. Can Position coaches, new schemes and new player additions help get them to break through? Or have we seen their best and it ain’t cutting’ it.. 

This guy, along with our resident pessimists @BADOLBILZ & @ScottLaw -who’ll blame McBeane, believes the end is near.

 

 

Well, if this is true who SHOULD the "pessimists" blame?

 

Things happen. It isn't always the fault of the coach and GM when things go bad. Did the Raiders GM know what Ruggs was going to do? Of course not but the GM does bear the ultimate responsibility for his draft selections. 

 

If we are to give Beane credit for selections like Josh Allen, must he not also take the blame for a pick such as Ford? And I will take their backs by saying that these posters (especially @BADOLBILZ) are far more realistic than pessimistic.

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10 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Well, if this is true who SHOULD the "pessimists" blame?

 

Things happen. It isn't always the fault of the coach and GM when things go bad. Did the Raiders GM know what Ruggs was going to do? Of course not but the GM does bear the ultimate responsibility for his draft selections. 

 

If we are to give Beane credit for selections like Josh Allen, must he not also take the blame for a pick such as Ford? And I will take their backs by saying that these posters (especially @BADOLBILZ) are far more realistic than pessimistic.

I’ll give you Badol. Extremely knowledgeable-but drenched with vinegar. Scott? Not so much, no.

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Saw a roster prediction article on SI yesterday and they also had Moss and Ford getting cut.  His take on the RB room was...interesting.

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Running back (4)

Devin Singletary, Duke Johnson, James Cook and Raheem Blackshear.

Letting go of both Zack Moss and special-teams ace Taiwan Jones could be a risky proposition, but not if the rookie Blackshear asserts himself on special teams, which we believe will happen.

Money won't be a factor, either. In fact, Johnson, a veteran, actually has a slightly cheaper contract than Moss, who is still on his rookie deal, according to Over the Cap.

 

You would think at least one of the guys getting cut...Moss, Ford, Taiwan, Kumerow, Sweeney, hell even Haack as our "holding specialist" (insert eyeroll)...would be able to beat out Siran Neal's clone, but nope.  Neal makes the squad twice in this guy's estimation.  Begs the question that if Beane has developed the ability to clone a player, why pick Siran Neal?

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Cornerback (6)

Dane Jackson, Taron Johnson, Siran Neal, Kaiir Elam, Siran Neal and Christian Benford.

NOTE: Top corner Tre'Davious White is likely to start the season on the PUP list as he continues to recover from December ACL surgery. This means the rookie Benford makes the team coming out of camp.

 

Article here:

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/bills-post-minicamp-roster-predictions-battles-brewing-on-both-lines

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I’d be surprised if Ford made the team.  Moss is likely to stick amd think he makes it, but he isn’t a lock.  Epenesa is very close to a lock though IMO.   None of the three have done anything to earn a second contract however.  

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8 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Well, if this is true who SHOULD the "pessimists" blame?

 

Things happen. It isn't always the fault of the coach and GM when things go bad. Did the Raiders GM know what Ruggs was going to do? Of course not but the GM does bear the ultimate responsibility for his draft selections. 

 

If we are to give Beane credit for selections like Josh Allen, must he not also take the blame for a pick such as Ford? And I will take their backs by saying that these posters (especially @BADOLBILZ) are far more realistic than pessimistic.

 

Oh, c’mon, Bill, nobody needs to defend old Badol.  We know you’ve got a bit of a man crush on him; If he just eased up on his condescending, know-it-all manner he’d get a lot more love around here.

 

Of course the GM both receives the praise and takes the blame for his selections.  No GM in the history of football has batted a thousand.  I don’t think Beane has shown a propensity to “dig in his heels” and keep players who don’t produce just because he drafted them, but I DO think he understands that some players take a little more time than others.  A good GM doesn’t give up on his draft picks too quickly.

 

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