KDIGGZ Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 The Bills had 4 CB's with 1st round grades in this year's draft. But which rookie CB do YOU think will have the best career? Who you got? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: The Bills had 4 CB's with 1st round grades in this year's draft. But which rookie CB do YOU think will have the best career? Who you got? Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) I trust our guys to both evaluate and develop DB’s. It takes both. Where you land matters, and I think that is true for Elam as much as for a QB. I’m on team Elam here. . Edited May 11, 2022 by Augie 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Elam with our coaching staff will be the best CB in the league !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 36 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: The Bills had 4 CB's with 1st round grades in this year's draft. But which rookie CB do YOU think will have the best career? Who you got? Where did you see the Bills had 4 CBs with first round grades? Got a link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) Vontae Davis Edited May 10, 2022 by DJB 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Boy I wonder if Elam will win on a Bills message board lol 1 1 4 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Boy I wonder if Elam will win on a Bills message board lol Yeah probably biased, but at the same time I trust our FO/Coaching staff to pick and develop good DB talent, also Elam has the best secondary around him and that could help as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Team Elam, kids motivated, and we have arguably the best DB coaches in the league, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Boy I wonder if Elam will win on a Bills message board lol Yeah. I don't even see the point of a poll like this. Poll a team who picked one of the other guys and they'd win on their respective message boards too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) Pretty undeniable that Gardner was the most complete CB coming out of the draft. I know Stingley went ahead of him but I still think Sauce is the overall best talent. Elam has the best environment to land in though. You can't ask for a better spot to develop and play meaningful snaps than Buffalo. Edited May 11, 2022 by Bruffalo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, billybrew1 said: Link? 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Where did you see the Bills had 4 CBs with first round grades? Got a link? I don't think it's ever been outright said. But if you take Beane at his word and read between the lines of his actions - it's pretty obvious. It would be ridiculous to think Beane had a 2nd Round grade on Sauce Gardner and Derek Stingley who were gone in the first 4 picks. So there's two right there. Beane was patient, stood firm, and let the board fall to him as long as McDuffie and Elam were both still on the board. The second McDuffie came off the board at 21, he started making calls to move up. I don't think this is a coincidence. He stated he couldn't get a deal done at 22 and ended up pulling the trigger at 23 for Elam. Of whom he said was "the last player left on the board we had a 1st Round grade on". So that would be your 4. Now if Elam was gone too and we went with Gordon, Booth, or McCreary do I think it's possible he still would have said they were "the last player left on the board with a 1st Round grade"? It's possible. But again, if we're taking him at his word - it sure paints a picture that he only had 4 CB's with Round 1 grades. Edited May 11, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I don't think it's ever been outright said. But if you take Beane at his word and read between the lines of his actions - it's pretty obvious. It would be ridiculous to think Beane had a 2nd Round grade on Sauce Gardner and Derek Stingley who were gone in the first 4 picks. So there's two right there. Beane was patient, stood firm, and let the board fall to him as long as McDuffie and Elam were both still on the board. The second McDuffie came off the board, he started making calls to move up. I don't think this is a coincidence. He stated he couldn't get a deal done at 22 and ended up pulling the trigger at 23 for Elam. Of whom he said was "the last player left on his board we had a 1st Round grade on". So that would be your 4. He brought in Stingley, Gardner and Elam in for top-30 visits. That says 3-1st round CBs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Doc said: He brought in Stingley, Gardner and Elam in for top-30 visits. That says 3-1st round CBs. We never got the full 30 list so we don't know that McDuffie wasn't brought in. But we do know they met with him at the Combine like they did Elam. And again, his being patient and then getting proactive only after McDuffie came off the board paints a picture to me that he was cool with letting the board come to him and taking one at 25. Though that's not to say he would have picked McDuffie over Elam if both were available to him. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/5/7/23059841/buffalo-bills-tried-to-trade-up-to-22-to-snag-cb-kaiir-elam-but-settled-for-23 Edited May 11, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said: Boy I wonder if Elam will win on a Bills message board lol I really hope he isn't the new Edmunds on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: We never got the full 30 list so we don't know that McDuffie wasn't brought in. But we do know they met with him at the Combine like they did Elam. And again, his being patient and then getting proactive only after McDuffie came off the board paints a picture to me that he was cool with either. Though that's not to say he would have picked McDuffie over Elam if both were available to him. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/5/7/23059841/buffalo-bills-tried-to-trade-up-to-22-to-snag-cb-kaiir-elam-but-settled-for-23 I did a search and couldn't find anywhere that McDuffie was a top-30 visit with the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Doc said: I did a search and couldn't find anywhere that McDuffie was a top-30 visit with the Bills. Yes, but again, we never got the full list of 30. There were visits that weren't reported. And again, we held an interview with him at the Combine and were at his Pro Day. Edited May 11, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: The Bills had 4 CB's with 1st round grades in this year's draft. But which rookie CB do YOU think will have the best career? Who you got? This could solve an argument - which 4 had a 1st round grade by the Bills. I have heard 3, but not this elusive 4th? Edited May 11, 2022 by Rochesterfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 28 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I don't think it's ever been outright said. But if you take Beane at his word and read between the lines of his actions - it's pretty obvious. It would be ridiculous to think Beane had a 2nd Round grade on Sauce Gardner and Derek Stingley who were gone in the first 4 picks. So there's two right there. Beane was patient, stood firm, and let the board fall to him as long as McDuffie and Elam were both still on the board. The second McDuffie came off the board at 21, he started making calls to move up. I don't think this is a coincidence. He stated he couldn't get a deal done at 22 and ended up pulling the trigger at 23 for Elam. Of whom he said was "the last player left on the board we had a 1st Round grade on". So that would be your 4. Now if Elam was gone too and we went with Gordon, Booth, or McCreary do I think it's possible he still would have said they were "the last player left on the board with a 1st Round grade"? It's possible. But again, if we're taking him at his word - it sure paints a picture that he only had 4 CB's with Round 1 grades. Maybe - Beane also said he looked as high as 20 - which was before the KC move. Around pick 20 was where a move up cost a day 3 versus a day 2 pick. If he only had 3 CBs with 1st round grades - that would explain looking as high as 20, but Pittsburgh went QB and didn’t want to trade. 21 was NE - not sure the Bills wanted to over pay as KC gave up a day 2 pick - which Beane said he wanted to avoid. 22 was GB and they did not want to move 23 was Baltimore and they were looking to move - so that fits. It very well could be they had 4, but based upon visits and Bills drafting history with Beane - it is just as likely they did not feel McDuffie was an ideal fit and was not graded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Bruffalo said: Pretty undeniable that Gardner was the most complete CB coming out of the draft. I know Stingley went ahead of him but I still think Sauce is the overall best talent. Elam has the best environment to land in though. You can't ask for a better spot to develop and play meaningful snaps than Buffalo. The question on Sauce is will the Jets ruin him. I'm going to throw out a name most wouldn't but comes from a great college and drafted by a team that does at getting great value from draft picks so will go with Jalyn Armour-Davis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 47 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I don't think it's ever been outright said. But if you take Beane at his word and read between the lines of his actions - it's pretty obvious. It would be ridiculous to think Beane had a 2nd Round grade on Sauce Gardner and Derek Stingley who were gone in the first 4 picks. So there's two right there. Beane was patient, stood firm, and let the board fall to him as long as McDuffie and Elam were both still on the board. The second McDuffie came off the board at 21, he started making calls to move up. I don't think this is a coincidence. He stated he couldn't get a deal done at 22 and ended up pulling the trigger at 23 for Elam. Of whom he said was "the last player left on the board we had a 1st Round grade on". So that would be your 4. Now if Elam was gone too and we went with Gordon, Booth, or McCreary do I think it's possible he still would have said they were "the last player left on the board with a 1st Round grade"? It's possible. But again, if we're taking him at his word - it sure paints a picture that he only had 4 CB's with Round 1 grades. Why would anyone take an NFL GM at his word about the draft? Before it, after it, whatever. Every one of them say the same things about all of their picks. It means nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Why would anyone take an NFL GM at his word about the draft? Before it, after it, whatever. Every one of them say the same things about all of their picks. It means nothing. I touched on this in the last paragraph of my post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I touched on this in the last paragraph of my post. Sure, but you are still operating under the assumption that Beane is being forthcoming. Two years in a row he said he got the last guy he had a first round grade on. :Eyeroll 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 So I went with sauce Gardner just because I wanted to be different Prove me wrong Elam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 3 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: The Bills had 4 CB's with 1st round grades in this year's draft. But which rookie CB do YOU think will have the best career? Who you got? What's your metrics for "best career"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Oi Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Okay so 'Tre is an all-pro corner who undeniably was coached up and self motivated. I see Elam as another self motivated corner with even better "measurables". I can see playing Elam press and shift the zone to White's side and let our pass rush finish it out. Things are looking very bright , there is a clear vision here....I trust the process. The last few drafts a CB didn't fall our way that was a 1st on our board, this year BB didn't let the last one slip by and moved up to snag him. The "stale" D that we have played in the past to cover CB2's deficiencies is in the past. The play book opens up now boys.....I'm not even taking into consideration what Josh is about to drop this year....I feel it, in everything he has said and done. Playoff Josh is coming in September this year Boys, we are going to be just fine. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I wanted Booth but was fine with Elam. I think the Vikings got a steal in the 2nd if he stays healthy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) Elam because of his situation + talent. He is so lucky to be CB2 and have Tre as his mentor and McDermott/Frazier/Butler. Edited May 11, 2022 by YoloinOhio 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I really hope he isn't the new Edmunds on here same, I hope Elam makes impact plays on a routine basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I really hope he isn't the new Edmunds on here I was waiting for someone to say this. Doomed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: We never got the full 30 list so we don't know that McDuffie wasn't brought in. But we do know they met with him at the Combine like they did Elam. And again, his being patient and then getting proactive only after McDuffie came off the board paints a picture to me that he was cool with letting the board come to him and taking one at 25. Though that's not to say he would have picked McDuffie over Elam if both were available to him. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/5/7/23059841/buffalo-bills-tried-to-trade-up-to-22-to-snag-cb-kaiir-elam-but-settled-for-23 McDuffie was not brought in for a visit. I have had that confirmed by two other people. 3 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I wanted Booth but was fine with Elam. I think the Vikings got a steal in the 2nd if he stays healthy. Agree. My answer on the card to this poll is Andrew Booth. I have thought he was the best corner in this class since I did my deep dive on the corners back in January. Stingley is a talented guy, Sauce had a great college career, Elam has a great chance with this staff and organisation and the two Washington kids are darn talented guys too. But I think Andrew Booth was the best corner in the draft and without knowing how serious his medicals are I would go for him to be the best of these guys in the NFL. 4 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Why would anyone take an NFL GM at his word about the draft? Before it, after it, whatever. Every one of them say the same things about all of their picks. It means nothing. Ha. Jerry said he picked a first rounder then showed us his board that proved he hadn't.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: McDuffie was not brought in for a visit. I have had that confirmed by two other people. No surprise. In this age of the internet and social media and the number of people who professionally or casually follow the Bills, it would have been reported somewhere. And there was no reason to keep it a secret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Based on who drafted them, I'm going with Elam and McDuffie. I think Sauce will be a bust - seems really focused on his image and bling, and he's going to a bad team in NYC. I could see things not going well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 9 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I don't think it's ever been outright said. But if you take Beane at his word and read between the lines of his actions - it's pretty obvious. It would be ridiculous to think Beane had a 2nd Round grade on Sauce Gardner and Derek Stingley who were gone in the first 4 picks. So there's two right there. Beane was patient, stood firm, and let the board fall to him as long as McDuffie and Elam were both still on the board. The second McDuffie came off the board at 21, he started making calls to move up. I don't think this is a coincidence. He stated he couldn't get a deal done at 22 and ended up pulling the trigger at 23 for Elam. Of whom he said was "the last player left on the board we had a 1st Round grade on". So that would be your 4. Now if Elam was gone too and we went with Gordon, Booth, or McCreary do I think it's possible he still would have said they were "the last player left on the board with a 1st Round grade"? It's possible. But again, if we're taking him at his word - it sure paints a picture that he only had 4 CB's with Round 1 grades. Great, clear and specific analysis here. Thanks. Nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Elam!!! Cause, he's gonna win a few Super Bowls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 13 hours ago, The Dean said: What's your metrics for "best career"? You better get this right because I'm bumping this post in 12 years and will be calling out all the bad takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I think Elam has the best opportunity to have a great season. I have two reasons. First, he should be playing most of the season across from Tre White, who is a consensus top five CB in the league. As long as White can demonstrate that he's healthy and confident after his ACL injury, opponents will likely avoid attempting to pass to White's side. By the way, Buffalo also has one of the best slot corners in the league. Consequently, Elam is likely to get tested early and often. That will only be exacerbated by Buffalo's high scoring offense. Buffalo has to potential to force opponents to play catch up. That means more passing and less running. An improved run defense from the Bills would help too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 20 minutes ago, without a drought said: You better get this right because I'm bumping this post in 12 years and will be calling out all the bad takes. If we recall this, maybe I should change the "What's" in my post to "What are". I went and made "metric" plural and forgot to change the rest. Duh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I voted other, just because there always seems to be a later round guy who emerges and becomes a stud. I think Tariq Woolen, assuming Pete Carroll sticks around, could become that elite corner in 3 or so years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of a K-Gun Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Elam because of his situation + talent. He is so lucky to be CB2 and have Tre as his mentor and McDermott/Frazier/Butler. Plus the best safety tandem in the league, along with one of the top Nickle corners...other than a guaranteed healthy Tre I honestly can't think of a better situation for a talented rookie corner to walk into. As for Tre being a mentor, how cool was it seeing Tre interacting with Elam in the video the team put out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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