HOF4LOU Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 The CBA is due on the 15th and no one is talking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 32 minutes ago, HOF4LOU said: The CBA is due on the 15th and no one is talking about it. Poloncarz said in the last week, that is not a firm deadline, and if it takes longer, than it takes longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU0vDWYPnJI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) The public benefit is the Bills staying in western NY…typical politics though- everyone trying to get a piece of the pie… Edited October 19, 2022 by JaCrispy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Everyone looking for a handout. Billionaires and grifters alike 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Not sure if this is standard procedure. But the “minority and women-owned” business priority thing just irks me. I guess white male owned businesses don’t count? Hopefully this doesn’t derail the new stadium. It would be a shame if we lost the new stadium and by default the bills because some extremely loosely linked programs wanted a money grab 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 The whole minority/women owned business thing is a croc of ####. I can understand public transportation to and from the game as a need as it relates to the stadium itself. But far to many of the demands are just political grandstanding 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 This thread will end well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 [This is an automated response] The topic title is potentially misleading. Accurate titles help the community find topics relevant to their interests and avoids reader frustration. Please change the topic title to more accurately reflect content of the original post.The topic starter can edit the topic title line to make it more appropriate. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Do they actually have to listen to this coalition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, MJS said: Do they actually have to listen to this coalition? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: No OK, so there shouldn't actually be a holdup, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, MJS said: OK, so there shouldn't actually be a holdup, right? I believe they are being kosher and entertaining their voices I don’t think they need to Oblige Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, MJS said: OK, so there shouldn't actually be a holdup, right? No, it's more made up nonsense from Run Josh Run, who is seconds from being permanently banned from starting threads. 1 1 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, MJS said: OK, so there shouldn't actually be a holdup, right? Unless there is a “shakedown” of some sort, by this coalition, which could potentially happen… Edited October 20, 2022 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Simon said: No, it's more made up nonsense from Run Josh Run, who is seconds from being permanently banned from starting threads. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, HamSandwhich said: This thread will end well Edited October 20, 2022 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Super Fan Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 The hold up is the community benefits agreement. According to Field of Schemes these crazy people want $500 million dollars. And BSF wants a Buffalo house on the waterfront with boat access and a dock it isn’t going to happen for me and $500 million dollars is pure fantasy for the community benefits people. PSE isn’t giving back $500 million to get $850 million. PSE wants it all someone wake up the community benefits people that number isn’t happening. Knock two zeros off the $500 million. If they get $5 million dollars they should consider themselves lucky. Also enough with the fear PSE isn’t leaving they got the state and county on the hook for $850 million dollars for there new Buffalo Bills stadium. Believe me the Buffalo Bills aren’t leaving. How do you know BSF? Because I have heard the Buffalo Bills cry wolf of moving since Richard Nixon was President. That is how long the Bills have cried wolf. If a Buffalo sports fan wants to have fear I worry more about the Buffalo Sabres. Not because the Sabres have fallen on hard times now. But because the Buffalo Sabres have too many NHL hockey games at high ticket prices for this market to support. The Buffalo Bills we (Buffalo) can fly in Buffalo fans that left Buffalo to help support the Bills because it is once a week for 8 or 9 games. How are we (Buffalo) flying in Sabres fans that are outside the Buffalo area now. They can help to drive NHL merchandise sales which might save the Buffalo Sabres for now but 41 games is a lot of games for this market even with Canadian help the Buffalo Sabres have attendance problems something to be more concerned about than the Buffalo Bills stadium that is a done deal in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 hours ago, RunJoshRun said: The signing of the lease has been pushed back 45 days. This holds up not only construction but bid negotiations for contractors. A Buffalo Coalition group, representing downtown Buffalo, wants $500 million over the 30-year lease. It will go towards transportation services and re-building the inter-city. "BUFFALO, N.Y. (WKBW) — While the Buffalo Bills, Erie County, and New York State are hashing out details for a new stadium, community members are working to make sure they're included in the plans. A coalition of groups that include the Partnership for Public Good and Buffalo Transit Riders United spoke at the Rock Pile on Wednesday, calling for a Community Benefits Agreement within the stadium deal that supports everyone in Western New York. The coalition wants clauses in the new stadium deal that will fund wellness programs, housing programs, and youth sports programs, as well as better public transportation to-and-from the stadium, and opportunities for minority- and women-owned businesses. "The reason the Community Benefits Agreements are in increasing use all over the country is because voters, taxpayers have held that a massive expenditure of public money without any public benefit is fundamentally unjust," said Miles Gresham, Policy Fellow at the Partnership for Public Good." What are your thoughts? Who the hell are these people and why do they feel they should get anything when the stadium is not in Buffalo? Talk about leeches. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 hours ago, RunJoshRun said: The signing of the lease has been pushed back 45 days. This holds up not only construction but bid negotiations for contractors. A Buffalo Coalition group, representing downtown Buffalo, wants $500 million over the 30-year lease. It will go towards transportation services and re-building the inter-city. "BUFFALO, N.Y. (WKBW) — While the Buffalo Bills, Erie County, and New York State are hashing out details for a new stadium, community members are working to make sure they're included in the plans. A coalition of groups that include the Partnership for Public Good and Buffalo Transit Riders United spoke at the Rock Pile on Wednesday, calling for a Community Benefits Agreement within the stadium deal that supports everyone in Western New York. The coalition wants clauses in the new stadium deal that will fund wellness programs, housing programs, and youth sports programs, as well as better public transportation to-and-from the stadium, and opportunities for minority- and women-owned businesses. "The reason the Community Benefits Agreements are in increasing use all over the country is because voters, taxpayers have held that a massive expenditure of public money without any public benefit is fundamentally unjust," said Miles Gresham, Policy Fellow at the Partnership for Public Good." What are your thoughts? How do I join this coalition? I am underfunded & would like: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Isn’t the point of the CBA to make giving away this much money to a football team not look so bad? People are dreaming if they think they’ll get something costing very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 How “ironclad” is this supposed stadium deal exactly? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, Airseven said: How “ironclad” is this supposed stadium deal exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Big Turk said: Who the hell are these people and why do they feel they should get anything when the stadium is not in Buffalo? Talk about leeches. Stadium is in Erie County, and Buffalo is in Erie County, and Erie County is a part of the funding group no? Edited October 20, 2022 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) Not sure if the legislators for erie county have to put this to a vote(county share of the funding), but all it takes is one of them to be aligned with this coalition, and they could make things difficult. Edited October 20, 2022 by LabattBlue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 It’s so iron clad that it is hard to describe, being that it’s clad in iron, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 We (city, county, state) just gave ~ a billion dollars to a billionaire. I don't mind the community kicking back for more community resources. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 https://www.investigativepost.org/2023/01/16/bills-new-stadium-lease-is-not-ironclad/ idk who this guy is but he’s full of ***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 It's a speculative article about if the Pegulas would sell the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Someone trying to make a name for themselves with a nonsense article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Just now, Simon said: It's a speculative article about if the Pegulas would sell the Bills He was also talking about Kim’s health being in question after her daughter posted that she’s been doing well. The guy writes as if he wants the bills to leave Buffalo. I guess there’s a Mike Florio everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) On 1/17/2023 at 11:09 PM, BuffaloBills1998 said: https://www.investigativepost.org/2023/01/16/bills-new-stadium-lease-is-not-ironclad/ idk who this guy is but he’s full of ***** So the Bills could move if the buyer pays back the $850MM? Guess what? The Bills could move right now with a $400MM buyout . Edited January 19, 2023 by PromoTheRobot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 investigativepost.org Must be legit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 24 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: investigativepost.org Must be legit Interesting set of donors. Basically it is an off-main "nonprofit" (I have seen nonprofits where almost all of the money goes to those in charge and family/friends services) news alternate site which has some formerly active reporters associated with it. Tom Toles is part of board of directors along with a couple of people I heard of who disappeared for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) I don't think its wrong to consider what will happen with the Bills down the line. 30 years puts Terry Pegula at 101 and his wife Kim at 83. It is concerning that the stars may align for a purchase and relocation at the perfect time when the lease is expiring but it could also be renewed/extended before then. That said, I am not sure how this isn't the best deal for WNY. We make an investment and if they move we get our money back. The NFL/Buffalo Bills were never going to sign a "you can't ever move" contract. Edited January 18, 2023 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: I don't think its wrong to consider what will happen with the Bills down the line. 30 years puts Terry Pegula at 101 and his wife Kim at 83. It is concerning that the stars may align for a purchase and relocation at the perfect time when the lease is expiring but it could also be renewed/extended before then. That said, I am not sure how this isn't the best deal for WNY. We make an investment and if they move we get our money back. The NFL/Buffalo Bills were never going to sign a "you can't ever move" contract. Truth is Buffalo has no business economically in the NFL. (Barely in the NHL either.) Only with heavy subsidies do we get to stay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Truth is Buffalo has no business economically in the NFL. (Barely in the NHL either.) Only with heavy subsidies do we get to stay. This is true. Once the stadium breaks ground, we will possibly be in our safest place in 50 years (if not ever). 10-15-20 years ago, I thought it was a certainty the Bills were gone, likely for Toronto. The league has outgrown the city/county ten fold. You don't want to dwell on 30 years down the line and miss the moment... but it isn't unreasonable to worry a bit. The biggest hope would be if we can snag a few Fortune 500s to anchor downtown, the city proper hits a nice growth over a few decades and we see actual people living down there in a thriving, younger bustling city community. It will radiate a higher median/mean income, lots of corporate dollars and investment, Catch up a bit. Those great lakes and the climate of Buffalo may actually become a much more desirable thing in the decades to come. Who knows, Im kind of rambling. My main feeling is I will feel pretty great about the Bills when the new stadium has broken ground. Edited January 18, 2023 by May Day 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) I don't love that there seems to be some sort of holdup. For all the talk of a deal being done it isn't 100% done and that deadline keeps moving. Probably it's nothing to be concerned about, but it's also not "we're ready to start digging." Also, I think it's fair at this point to wonder what really is going on with Kim Pegula, because she runs both professional sports teams in Buffalo. Obviously she deserves some degree of privacy, but she also was the person running both teams and she has been 100% absent for 6 months now. I think most people assumed that she (being young and seemingly healthy) would run the team for the next 30+ years with Terry more of a behind the scenes type, who (as much as we love him for saving both of our teams) the less he speaks publicly the better. To be totally honest, if the Bills ever moved we would probably also leave NY, which we've considered for a while now anyway. It would totally gut the psyche of this entire region. Edited January 18, 2023 by TheFunPolice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Truth is Buffalo has no business economically in the NFL. (Barely in the NHL either.) Only with heavy subsidies do we get to stay. no business? They made $470 in revenue with an operating margin of 83 million. The value of the team has gone up 360% in the past 10 years. They just got a (mostly) free stadium deal. The Bills are a very good business for the Pegulas. Edited January 18, 2023 by Mr. WEO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 The NFL brand is better because there are teams like the Packers and the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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