TheBrownBear Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: The AFC East Patriots Defense that gave up 300+ 5 TDs to the Bills Bills Defnese that gave up 350+ 3 TD to Kansas City and on and on … why? Did you think they could cover? The Pats defense is slow and getting slower, so I'll give you that. The Bills were torched in KC in the playoffs, but that's without Tre White and, again, it's KC and they do that to everyone when they are on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: The Bills and Patriots have been two of the top pass defenses for a few years now. Uh huh. 🙄. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 They'd be fine if CEH turned out to be an elite back. He is pretty average, so there's the sting. But yeah, the Chiefs have not done a good job filling the pipeline behind Hill and Kelce. I don't blame it all on one draft pick of a RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Uh huh. 🙄. 😂😂just stop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) I think we're going to continue to own the Dolphins as much as the next guy. I also think Hill will become an under-producing malcontent, and will not like the steep dropoff in targets, production, prestige, and prime time games. I also think it's stupid to give up that much draft capital for AND spend that much on a WR when you're not sure if your QB is "the guy" yet. I also think that between Waddle and Hill, the Phins have now spent three 1sts, two 2nds, two fourths, and a 6th, not to mention a mega-contract, on 2 WRs. Despite me saying all of that... I can't deny that the Dolphins got materially better today. They added a six time Pro Bowler, three time All-Pro. This just a day after adding a Pro Bowl LT. Hill - Waddle - Wilson - Parker - Gesicki - Edmonds - Mostert - Gaskin, with an improved offensive line, is about as much as they could have done to set Tua up for success. It all comes down to the QB now... Edited March 23, 2022 by Logic 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Uh huh. 🙄. Well feel free to just ignore that if it doesn't fit your narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said: It was already our #1 need. The Dolphins have a ridiculous wr group now: Tyreek Hill Devante Parker Jaylen Waddle Will Fuller Gesicki at TE As a football fan, I love it. As a Bills fan, I love that Mahomes isn’t the one throwing to these dudes. With Phins D being pretty good, if those guys get a leap out of Tua, Miami is absolutely going to compete with the Bills for the AFCE crown- especially now that they’ve got that stud tackle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 The answer is Tuanigamanuolepola Tagovailoa 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said: That's the best in the league by far. Waddle is incredible, especially at end of year. Cinci has a very nice wr room too. It’s hard to say if Miami has the best by far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, TheBrownBear said: The Pats defense is slow and getting slower, so I'll give you that. The Bills were torched in KC in the playoffs, but that's without Tre White and, again, it's KC and they do that to everyone when they are on. Bills defense comes up small when it’s any starting QB with their actual weapons. one of the Achilles heels of the Fraizer/McDermott Defense. as long as their opponent is rolling out their 4th string QB with all backups in the WR Core…Buffalo going to dominate. other than that…ehhhhh 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, FireChans said: They beat us in an extremely close game. And they got worse this off-season so far. who is writing them off? Maybe you forgot that in every Chiefs loss we have ever had, Tyreek has caught a 6 yard pass and taken it 50 yards. What is the point of moping about this? Who TF is moping about it? I merely said they are still going to be a pretty damn good team. Of course, not as good as if they had picked up Matt Breida. He would have transformed that offense, amiright? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: People are way under estimating the dolphins I think. This is not good. Maybe you’re over estimating the Dolphins? Josh’s record against them is 7-1. He is to the Dolphins what Brady used to be to the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Logic said: I think we're going to continue to own the Dolphins as much as the next guy. I also think Hill will become an under-producing malcontent, and will not like the steep dropoff in targets, production, prestige, and prime time games. I also think it's stupid to give up that much draft capital for AND spend that much on a WR when you're not sure if your QB is "the guy" yet. I also think that between Waddle and Hill, the Phins have now spent three 1sts, two 2nds, two fourths, and a 6th, not to mention a mega-contract, on 2 WRs. Despite me saying all of that... I can't deny that the Dolphins got materially better today. They added a six time Pro Bowler, three time All-Pro. This just a day after adding a Pro Bowl LT. Hill - Waddle - Wilson - Parker - Gesicki - Edmonds - Mostert - Gaskin, with an improved offensive line, is about as much as they could have done to set Tua up for success. It all comes down to the QB now... So what your saying is the owner isn't going to pay them to lose this time around. Just now, gobills404 said: The answer is Tuanigamanuolepola Tagovailoa Tua Turntheballover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: Well feel free to just ignore that if it doesn't fit your narrative. No worries I properly addressed it in another post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: Who TF is moping about it? I merely said they are still going to be a pretty damn good team. Of course, not as good as if they had picked up Matt Breida. He would have transformed that offense, amiright? You are moping. It’s embarrassing. Pick yourself up and dust yourself off. We have an off-season to win and our biggest rival just lost their second best player and the most electric WR in football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Bills defense comes up small when it’s any starting QB with their actual weapons. one of the Achilles heels of the Fraizer/McDermott Defense. as long as their opponent is rolling out their 4th string QB with all backups in the WR Core…Buffalo going to dominate. other than that…ehhhhh Man I must of forgotten that Hill and Kelce were both in traction during week 5. You know the time we played them with our all pro CB last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, prissythecat said: Will be interesting to see what happens this coming season with Tyreek gone. Thats a ton of production out the door. Juju is not in the same league. Absolutely. I think they move up in the 1st round and try to find his "replacement." We'll see. This definitely hurts them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Not a fan. Tua obviously isn’t great but Tyreek is and he doesn’t need to burn you deep to be a game changer. Waddle was becoming a problem at the end of last season. Didn't he set the rookie receiving record for passes caught? Now add into Hill with Devante Parker, and Mike Gesecki and these guys will be a problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I actually think KC made the right move. The move will no doubt hurt them in the short run, as Hill is nearly impossible to replace. However, he's 28, relies entirely on speed and his next contract will be an albatross. The bevy of draft picks allow KC to find a decent replacement and likely a few more pieces on offense. Moreover, they free up much needed cap space. It's still a huge gamble for KC but I think it could pay dividends as early as this season. For Miami, they get an elite WR who will immediately make the Dolphins better. However, it's a very heavy price, especially when their QB might not have the tools to take full advantage of Hill's skills. The Dolphins have so many holes, it doesn't seem to make sense to sacrifice all their resources on a WR who may have already peaked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Damn, KC got a pile of picks for a WR who will play for three years in Miami with TUA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: If he lasts to 29 or 30, yes. But if he’s there at 25, maybe he doesn’t last any further. They have plenty of ammo to move up if needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Absolutely. I think they move up in the 1st round and try to find his "replacement." We'll see. This definitely hurts them. Definitely early, but we’ll see by the playoffs depends on who they can get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Bills defense comes up small when it’s any starting QB with their actual weapons. one of the Achilles heels of the Fraizer/McDermott Defense. as long as their opponent is rolling out their 4th string QB with all backups in the WR Core…Buffalo going to dominate. other than that…ehhhhh You know, your post continue to be trollish and flat out lack substance. The last time you posted this nonsense I listed a big group of top tier QB's McDermott/Fraizer have defeated and you wouldn't reply. Should I do it again for you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Can't wait for the first time Hill is wide open 65 yards down the field and Tua underthrows him by 10 yards. HA! What's not as funny is that this is maybe what will have to happen to Diggs next year. I like Diggs a lot, but I am not paying him 28-30 million a season. There is a reason Beane hasn't been in a hurry to negotiate an extension with Diggs yet. The money for WRs is getting stupid, and as far as I am concerned, that is why we need to take a couple WRs real early in this draft. As far as I am concerned, there are plenty of extremely talented WRs that are coming out year after year now. Will there be a drop off from Diggs? Of course, but the value you will save would mean a lot. Time to start planning ahead and find some cost controlled explosive talent early in the draft, not only this year, but drafts to come. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, MJS said: They'd be fine if CEH turned out to be an elite back. He is pretty average, so there's the sting. But yeah, the Chiefs have not done a good job filling the pipeline behind Hill and Kelce. I don't blame it all on one draft pick of a RB. I don’t think even an elite RB moves the needle. I would rather have Tee Higgins than Kamara with an elite QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Bills defense comes up small when it’s any starting QB with their actual weapons. one of the Achilles heels of the Fraizer/McDermott Defense. as long as their opponent is rolling out their 4th string QB with all backups in the WR Core…Buffalo going to dominate. other than that…ehhhhh We did limit Mahomes in the first road game in KC when he had all his weapons. None of the other QBs in our division have done anything positive against the Bills, most notably Tua, who has been atrocious. But yes, our defense has generally struggled against 1st ballot HOF quarterbacks like Mahomes and Brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Tyreek relied on Mahomes’ elite skills and Mahomes relied on Tyreek’s elite skills. Now that they are separated it’s over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Smith Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 We need a lot more CB and another pass rusher now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 So are we agreed that the Fish are @ScottLaw's new team now? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, FireChans said: You are moping. It’s embarrassing. Pick yourself up and dust yourself off. We have an off-season to win and our biggest rival just lost their second best player and the most electric WR in football. LOL. I wasn't worried about the Bills getting past the Chiefs next year with Hill. You might very well be the least perceptive poster on this board... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said: Damn, KC got a pile of picks for a WR who will play for three years in Miami with TUA. it was a smart move...sell high on an aging asset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloButt Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Agree. But they are still damn good. I remember everyone writing them off early last season. How did that work out... Pretty well for the Bengles! Should have worked out for the Bill's as well, but.... Chiefs are still good, but weaker now!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I think the dolphins screwed up again…. They just don’t have the team or QB to sign a Hill, imho…. I still think we sweep them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, sven233 said: Can't wait for the first time Hill is wide open 65 yards down the field and Tua underthrows him by 10 yards. HA! What's not as funny is that this is maybe what will have to happen to Diggs next year. I like Diggs a lot, but I am not paying him 28-30 million a season. There is a reason Beane hasn't been in a hurry to negotiate an extension with Diggs yet. The money for WRs is getting stupid, and as far as I am concerned, that is why we need to take a couple WRs real early in this draft. As far as I am concerned, there are plenty of extremely talented WRs that are coming out year after year now. Will there be a drop off from Diggs? Of course, but the value you will save would mean a lot. Time to start planning ahead and find some cost controlled explosive talent early in the draft, not only this year, but drafts to come. You can't say that with such conviction. Minnesota experienced no drop off. That was the one thing I hated with the Diggs trade. WRs coming out the draft are plug and play now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Man I must of forgotten that Hill and Kelce were both in traction during week 5. You know the time we played them with our all pro CB last year. Well we had T. white for the 2020 AFC Champ Game. Mahomes had no problem rolling 325 yards 3 TDs and 127.6 Rating. Edited March 23, 2022 by RalphWilson'sNewWar 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, Bruce Smith said: We need a lot more CB and another pass rusher now. I think we are fine at DE. Groot and Von off the edges is going to be strong and depth is good. CB...yes. Very much so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: I might take Adams, Renfrow and Waller. I Agree but either way we need CB help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Beast said: You know, your post continue to be trollish and flat out lack substance. The last time you posted this nonsense I listed a big group of top tier QB's McDermott/Fraizer have defeated and you wouldn't reply. Should I do it again for you? Yes please list the 2019 Thanksgiving Game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Has @Zerovoltz stopped in yet to explain how this is a genius move by Reid and co and actually makes the Chiefs much better, or nah? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Its a QB-driven league. The Fins still don't have one. Have a nice career, Tyreek. You'll have a lot more off-season time to spend your money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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