Do we just try and score 50 a game???

[Hebert19]

So with all the draft and free agent talk...much of the options being offense...do we just say ***** it and go get them all and score as many points as humanly possible qnd see if anyone can keep up?   It's not a stretch that we could...

 

1.  Trade for Barkley or McCaffrey or alternatively sign Gordon fournette or Patterson.  My pick is Patterson as he is a weapon as a returner too.  

2.  Sign gronk.  

3.  Draft Jameson or olive

4.  Resign McKenzie.

 

If we did this we could field skilled positions of:

 

Patterson/Singletary

Gronk/Knox

Diggs, Gabe, Beasley (if we keep him), Jameson. 

 

McKenzie and Patterson returning. 

 

Go hang 40 on everyone.   Haven't blown much money or draft capital that you can throw at the D.  (CB, Dline)

 

Feels like if we can restructure a few contracts we are absolutely in a house money position and should be going all in.  

[mannc]

It’s a good strategy…and it’s not like our defense is garbage…

[John from Riverside]

I am in the 50 a game fanclub

[nucci]

Yep

[Greg S]

While its nice to score 50 a game it's just not realistic.  There will be times when the Bills D will have to win a game and not just against bad teams with bad QB's. Look at how the Bengals got to the Super Bowl. Their D was opportunistic at Tennessee by getting turnovers that led to a win. They also shutdown the Chiefs in the 2nd half which allowed them to comeback and win the game. I get that the league is all about offense and scoring but you still need to play good defense. The Rams won the Super Bowl because their D kept them in it. For the longest time the Rams offense was struggling in that game.

Edited March 3, 2022 by Greg S

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

8 minutes ago, Greg S said:

While its nice to score 50 a game it's just not realistic.  There will be times when the Bills D will have to win a game and not just against bad teams with bad QB's. Look at how the Bengals got to the Super Bowl. Their D was opportunistic at Tennessee by getting turnovers that led to a win. They also shutdown the Chiefs in the 2nd half which allowed them to comeback and win the game. I get that the league is all about offense and scoring but you still need to play good defense. The Rams won the Super Bowl because their D kept them in it. For the longest time the Rams offense was struggling in that game.

 

Yep - while buffalo's defense was statistically #1 - they definitely were propped up by really just absolutely annihilating bad offenses.  53 yards and 4 first downs week 18, 109 yards and 6 1st downs week 4 (with 5 takeaways), Thanksgiving against the saints, the dolphins twice etc.  DVOA takes into account your opponent - but putting your bottom tier opponents down that hard definitely factors in as well.  

 

The 4 games against KCx2, Indy and TB they averaged over 400 yards allowed and more than 26 first downs in all 3.  The only one of those games they won they had 4 takeaways, and were 0-3 without (and 1-4 on the season with no takeaways).  

 

Figure out what you need to do to better stop those teams - if its pass rush, or linebackers, dbs, whatever.  

 

 

[filthymcnasty08]

That offense would rival the 07 Pats/00 Rams

 

 

[Bangarang]

Why not make it 60? Or just ask the defense to shut everyone out so the offense does t have to work as hard? Either one is possible really 

[GETTOTHE50]

id be down for gordon and patterson

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I am in the 50 a game fanclub

Yeah, how did we go from 50 to 40 by the end of the post?.....In all seriousness we need to go heavy offense in FA and the draft.  McB  had their 2 drafts of high defensive picks. Time to flip the script.  If a great pass rusher comes along at a reasonable contract,  go get him. But full steam ahead on offensive. I'd have no issues with guys like Gronk or Patterson. I'd draft Williams @ 25 if there and Breece Hall day 2.  Barkley or McCaffrey is rolling the dice injury wise?

Edited March 4, 2022 by LABILLBACKER

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

It's not as if our defense will fall off a cliff statistically if we don't spend a first round pick or a huge contract on a defender this offseason. The guys with expiring contracts had very replaceable production. 

 

I would prefer to draft a rb high instead of using a draft pick to trade for a guy with a big contract. I like Breece Hall a lot and think he could be the element that makes our offense more balanced considering he is also a good receiver out of the backfield. I have no idea if he would be available in round 2 because his combine performance will likely impact that.

[947]

I like Jameson, but he isn't a lock to even play in 2022. Best case scenario would probably be him missing 10 or so games. Even if we draft him, we can't count an anything from him this year, he'd be a pick for the future. We'd definitely need to add a FA WR in addition to him, unless we keep both Beasley & McKenzie.

[uticaclub]

It's probably easier at this point to add pieces on offense where can achieve 50 a game and just hope to outscore everyone, than it would be to redo the entire front 7 and get them to championship caliber.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Who doesn't want this? The only time it becomes an issue is if we have crazy weather but the run game should improve under Kromer.

[Freddie's Dead]

Abso*****inlutely.

[Don Otreply]

Nice pipe dream OP, just isn’t gonna happen with enough regularity in real life. Not that having our offense pick up where they left off last season for the duration of the upcoming season would be a bad thing…,
 

     Hopefully, and I believe it will be so, our new OC, And OLC will work in a more cohesive way to create a more seamless and powerful overall offensive scheme,  this will make our HC and our fans very Fing happy imo. 😁👍

 

Go Bills!!!

[without a drought]

I would hope so.

[Warcodered]

Offense is always sexy it's always going to get talked about the most. Doesn't mean we're not still going to make defensive moves.

[julian]

I’ll take 35 please

[billsherd]

You still need defense at some point to come through  against good teams.

[uticaclub]

19 minutes ago, julian said:

I’ll take 35 please

35 wasn't enough against KC

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, filthymcnasty08 said:

That offense would rival the 07 Pats/00 Rams

 

 

1-1 in SB. Neither team came close to 50 in SB games. Get me a defensive closer

[BuffBillsForLife]

The 2021 Bills absolutely ethered bad teams but repeatedly came up short against good ones that could compete at the track meet.  Ending up as the second coming of the Andrew Luck-era Colts would not be good, the D has to show up too.

[Nextmanup]

I would hope we are trying to do that already.

Why wouldn't you?

 

 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Similar talk last year and then they laid an egg vs Pitt in the opener!  

[MJS]

7 hours ago, filthymcnasty08 said:

That offense would rival the 07 Pats/00 Rams

07 Pats scored 36 points per game. 00 Rams scored 33 points per game.

 

50 points per game would be by far the best offense in NFL history by a wide margin and would have no rival. 2013 Broncos are the highest scoring offense ever with 38 per game.

[Thurman#1]

10 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

So with all the draft and free agent talk...much of the options being offense...do we just say ***** it and go get them all and score as many points as humanly possible qnd see if anyone can keep up?   It's not a stretch that we could...

 

1.  Trade for Barkley or McCaffrey or alternatively sign Gordon fournette or Patterson.  My pick is Patterson as he is a weapon as a returner too.  

2.  Sign gronk.  

3.  Draft Jameson or olive

4.  Resign McKenzie.

 

If we did this we could field skilled positions of:

 

Patterson/Singletary

Gronk/Knox

Diggs, Gabe, Beasley (if we keep him), Jameson. 

 

McKenzie and Patterson returning. 

 

Go hang 40 on everyone.   Haven't blown much money or draft capital that you can throw at the D.  (CB, Dline)

 

Feels like if we can restructure a few contracts we are absolutely in a house money position and should be going all in.  

 

 

Simply, no.

 

Going all in will work a certain percentage of the time. But if you are in the middle of a long window, with an elite young QB, it's nuts.

 

Work on the offense. And the defense. And the STs. And depth.

 

Kicking cans down the road reduces your window. No, thanks.

 

One of those moves, maybe. Two possibly, if they can be done reasonably cheaply. Three, no thanks. And working on the OL will be just as crucial to offensive success, more so actually, than overloading the team with skill position guys.

 

I'd love to see them draft a WR in the first. Pretty sure they'll do it if he's BPA. But a CB, IOL or DT would also be great.

5 hours ago, uticaclub said:

35 wasn't enough against KC

 

 

Yeah, but the offense wasn't the problem in that game.

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

Yep - while buffalo's defense was statistically #1 - they definitely were propped up by really just absolutely annihilating bad offenses.  53 yards and 4 first downs week 18, 109 yards and 6 1st downs week 4 (with 5 takeaways), Thanksgiving against the saints, the dolphins twice etc.  DVOA takes into account your opponent - but putting your bottom tier opponents down that hard definitely factors in as well.  

 

The 4 games against KCx2, Indy and TB they averaged over 400 yards allowed and more than 26 first downs in all 3.  The only one of those games they won they had 4 takeaways, and were 0-3 without (and 1-4 on the season with no takeaways).  

 

Figure out what you need to do to better stop those teams - if its pass rush, or linebackers, dbs, whatever.  

 

 

 

Well, yeah, having great games factors in. Actually all 17 games factor in. Including the bad ones, which they also had a few of.

 

They were a terrific defense. But there's no such thing as a perfect unit, O or D. You'll have a bad game or two or three. But yeah, anything that would help us match up better - O or D - against the teams we're likely to meet in the playoffs should be looked at.

[uticaclub]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Yeah, but the offense wasn't the problem in that game.

We punted 4 times, they punted only twice. We do have to assess what is more realistic, building a offense that can score every possession or building a defense capable of stopping elite talent. 

[BobbyC81]

12 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Yeah, how did we go from 50 to 40 by the end of the post?.....In all seriousness we need to go heavy offense in FA and the draft.  McB  had their 2 drafts of high defensive picks. Time to flip the script.  If a great pass rusher comes along at a reasonable contract,  go get him. But full steam ahead on offensive. I'd have no issues with guys like Gronk or Patterson. I'd draft Williams @ 25 if there and Breece Hall day 2.  Barkley or McCaffrey is rolling the dice injury wise?

dneveu just pointed out how poorly the defense performed against some good offenses.  Can’t expect to make and win a Super Bowl if you can’t at least slow down the top offenses.  If they think highly
of Jordan Davis and he’s available at 25, they have to consider taking him to solidify the run defense.   Otherwise, a solid CB that can do a better job on guys like T. Hill

[uticaclub]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Well, yeah, having great games factors in. Actually all 17 games factor in. Including the bad ones, which they also had a few of.

 

They were a terrific defense. But there's no such thing as a perfect unit, O or D. You'll have a bad game or two or three. But yeah, anything that would help us match up better - O or D - against the teams we're likely to meet in the playoffs should be looked at.

They were far from terrific. Terrific defenses creates pressure, can tackle, stops the run when they need to and causes turnovers in the backfield. Our recipe would be get a large lead and make the other team play catch up. What was the last game where you went "wow the defense won that for us" 

 

We will never see a schedule as soft as the one we had last year (Ghost of Big Ben, Jacoby Brisette, Mike White, Tyler Heineke, Trevor Seminen, Cam Newton & the rookies, Trevor Lawerence, Zac Wilson, Davis Mills and Mac Jones twice) 

 

 

[Thurman#1]

3 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

They were far from terrific. Terrific defenses creates pressure, can tackle, stops the run when they need to and causes turnovers in the backfield. Our recipe would be get a large lead and make the other team play catch up. What was the last game where you went "wow the defense won that for us" 

 

We will never see a schedule as soft as the one we had last year (Ghost of Big Ben, Jacoby Brisette, Mike White, Tyler Heineke, Trevor Seminen, Cam Newton & the rookies, Trevor Lawerence, Zac Wilson, Davis Mills and Mac Jones twice) 

 

 

 

 

They were indeed terrific.

 

Agreed that terrific defenses create pressure. The Bills were among the league leaders in pressure and 10th in sacks.

 

Agreed

 

Causes turnovers in the backfield? Yeah, some do and some don't. I'd love to see your rankings of all 32 teams and how many sacks they created in the backfield to back up your claim on this.

 

"What was the last game where you went 'wow the defense won that for us?'" you ask? That's a ridiculous question. Just because we have a really good offense doesn't mean the defense isn't also doing a terrific job. But just to humor you, the answer would be the first Chiefs game, where they did a sensational job in holding the Chiefs offense to 20 and then went beyond and scored 7 points on a pick six as well. The offense was good that game but the defense being terrific was why we beat the Chiefs.

 

The actual question this year should be this:

 

How many games were there where the defense played really well, well enough to win, but the offense couldn't do their part and we lost?

 

That's the question and the answer would be three games: The Steelers game (The D allowed 16 points and 252 yards and the Steelers won on recovering a blocked punt in the end zone while our offense only scored 16), The Jags where our D held them to 9 points and our offense only came up with 6 points, the first Pats game. And the first Chiefs game, where they did a sensational job in holding the Chiefs offense to 20 and then went beyond and scored 7 points on a pick six as well.

 

And yes it was a soft schedule. But again, DVOA calculates for easy schedules. They still had the Bills D as excellent. As anyone should.

 

You don't just ignore soft games for the defense, any more than you say the offense wasn't any good because they too had a ton of easy games this year.

 

When a defense plays an easy offense, if they're good they should not just play decently but dominate. They should hold those offenses down way below how other defenses held them down the same year.

 

The Bills defense did that.

[Thurman#1]

47 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

We punted 4 times, they punted only twice. We do have to assess what is more realistic, building a offense that can score every possession or building a defense capable of stopping elite talent. 

 

 

We do have to assess which is more realistic.

 

Neither of your suggested alternatives is realistic.

 

When the Bills offense is hitting on all cylinders, they can't be held down. Same with the top three or four offenses in the league. When you bend the rules to favor the offense as much as the NFL has over the last twenty years, that's the way it is. When our offense was stopped, it was mostly their own fault. Same with KC. Same with two or three other teams.

 

Equally, though, building an offense that can score every possession ... the idea is nuts. It's not a mistake that the most points scored per game this year was 30.4. Buffalo was only 0.6 PPG behind them. Here is the top scoring average across the NFL for the ten years before that.

 

2020:  31.5

2019:  31.9

2018:  34.8

2017:  29.0

2016: 34.1

2015:  31.1

2014:  30.4

2013:  36.4

2012:  33.9

2011:  34.7

 

We're not going to start suddenly scoring 40, much less 50 as the nutso headline suggests. We'd be doing incredibly well to average two points a game more.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 4, 2022 by Thurman#1

[SinceThe70s]

6 hours ago, MJS said:

07 Pats scored 36 points per game. 00 Rams scored 33 points per game.

 

50 points per game would be by far the best offense in NFL history by a wide margin and would have no rival. 2013 Broncos are the highest scoring offense ever with 38 per game.

 

And none of those teams won a Super Bowl.  

 

As much as I want the Bills to score a TD on every possession of every game it can't come at the expense of a bad D.

[HOUSE]

I vote no on the 50 points 👎

 

Should the Bills ONLY SCORE 40 the next week, fans here will riot.

 

 

 

 

[Talley56]

[uticaclub]

After sleeping on it, I think we should sign Gronk and score 69 every game...nice

[BADOLBILZ]

20 hours ago, Greg S said:

While its nice to score 50 a game it's just not realistic. 

 

 

38 points per game would be a new NFL record...........it stands to reason that someone will do that in the near future, IMO............and it's do-able for the Bills in 2022 if they fix the OL issues that plagued them most of the season and add a bit more playmaking ability.     But what they did at the end of the season required rushing Josh Allen about 10x per game,   that is not sustainable.

[Lost]

More time the offense spends on the field, the better the defense looks 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Yep and shut em down

 

 

21 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

So with all the draft and free agent talk...much of the options being offense...do we just say ***** it and go get them all and score as many points as humanly possible qnd see if anyone can keep up?   It's not a stretch that we could...

 

1.  Trade for Barkley or McCaffrey or alternatively sign Gordon fournette or Patterson.  My pick is Patterson as he is a weapon as a returner too.  

2.  Sign gronk.  

3.  Draft Jameson or olive

4.  Resign McKenzie.

 

If we did this we could field skilled positions of:

 

Patterson/Singletary

Gronk/Knox

Diggs, Gabe, Beasley (if we keep him), Jameson. 

 

McKenzie and Patterson returning. 

 

Go hang 40 on everyone.   Haven't blown much money or draft capital that you can throw at the D.  (CB, Dline)

 

Feels like if we can restructure a few contracts we are absolutely in a house money position and should be going all in.  

 

Sign  Braxton Berrios too