Maybe the Fix has been in.

[Buffalo Boy]

     I’m surprised this thread hasn’t been started.

     We all have heard the allegations that Miami’s owner Ross was offering Flores $100k a loss to tank.

     The NFL should not be in bed with Casinos or online betting sites such as Fan duel. It immediately causes a bad look due to the appearance of conflicting interests. I didn’t research the numbers but it must be in the hundreds of millions in advertising revenue. 
     Then there is the fact that a group of 32 billionaires refuse to employ professional referees. If you own 1 billion you are filthy rich. And yet, the league has refused to hire these guys on full time. It isn’t a money issue. That makes zero sense.

     If Ross was willing to proposition his coach to lose ( I get that the proof isn’t there but tell me it doesn’t sound plausible) why wouldn’t he or other powers that be not be willing to slip a few shekels to a dirty ref or three?

      I’m not say it happened. But, there is a saying a teacher of mine had: “ It doesn’t just have to be right, it has to look right.”

      There have been multiple threads on here over the years talking about the fix being in. Many on here poopoo it because it seems insane.

     Which brings me to my final point:

     What would it look like if you were going to throw a game from a coaching perspective?

      Run a bunch of low percentage plays and punt while shackling your best player(s)?  Make absolutely befuddling and egregious decisions that are completely indefensible?

     I haven’t personally believed that the fix was in in a conspiracy level way  in the past. I’m not saying I do now. But, for the first time the dots are starting to connect themselves and picture coming together isn’t a pretty or even palatable one.

 

Flame away Ladies and Gentlemen 

[WotAGuy]

You had me until you started “connecting the dots”. Nice try Don. 

[Draconator]

So you're saying Bojorquez is a crappy place holder who didn't want to play in the cold?

[Mr. WEO]

a ref conspiracy thread....cool!

[dorquemada]

This stuff is completely out of bounds and can't possibly happen right up until it does.  I don't have a hard time at all believing Flores here.  Money talks, bs walks. 

[Warcodered]

[clayboy54]

I completely agree. While it may not be true yet, opportunities are clearly presented for many to benefit by predetermining outcomes, if only in subtle less noticeable ways.  Now, maybe this has been going on for years and we're only realizing it now due to the involvement of gambling in sports, but I suspect you can't keep impropriety from the game anymore. One or several bad actors will clearly be involved at some level. And truthfully, the owners themselves may be at the root of it all.

[BuffaloBillyG]

Yea, well from what may sources tell me...Finkle is Einhorn. Einhorn IS FINKLE!!!

 

 

[dma0034]

So the league manipulates outcomes for what end? If you think that an owner like Jerry Jones is okay with his team losing for 2 decades because it's part of a greater plan then you are crazy. 

Edited February 2, 2022 by dma0034

[BarleyNY]

Improper game specific scheming and intentionally poor play calling at critical moments would be the easiest ways to throw a game unless you include paying off a player to do so.  A critical INT, fumble, missed kick, blown coverage, etc. would do the trick in most games. 

[billsfan1959]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

     I’m surprised this thread hasn’t been started.

     We all have heard the allegations that Miami’s owner Ross was offering Flores $100k a loss to tank.

     The NFL should not be in bed with Casinos or online betting sites such as Fan duel. It immediately causes a bad look due to the appearance of conflicting interests. I didn’t research the numbers but it must be in the hundreds of millions in advertising revenue. 
     Then there is the fact that a group of 32 billionaires refuse to employ professional referees. If you own 1 billion you are filthy rich. And yet, the league has refused to hire these guys on full time. It isn’t a money issue. That makes zero sense.

     If Ross was willing to proposition his coach to lose ( I get that the proof isn’t there but tell me it doesn’t sound plausible) why wouldn’t he or other powers that be not be willing to slip a few shekels to a dirty ref or three?

      I’m not say it happened. But, there is a saying a teacher of mine had: “ It doesn’t just have to be right, it has to look right.”

      There have been multiple threads on here over the years talking about the fix being in. Many on here poopoo it because it seems insane.

     Which brings me to my final point:

     What would it look like if you were going to throw a game from a coaching perspective?

      Run a bunch of low percentage plays and punt while shackling your best player(s)?  Make absolutely befuddling and egregious decisions that are completely indefensible?

     I haven’t personally believed that the fix was in in a conspiracy level way  in the past. I’m not saying I do now. But, for the first time the dots are starting to connect themselves and picture coming together isn’t a pretty or even palatable one.

 

Flame away Ladies and Gentlemen 

 

Shekels? So who are you saying is behind the conspiracy?

[BarleyNY]

6 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

So the league manipulates outcomes for what end? If you think that an owner like Jerry Jones is okay with his team losing for 2 decades because it's part of a greater plan than you are crazy. 

Logically speaking fixing specific games would not be in the best interest of the league.  Owners and people/institutions with gambling interests would absolutely have interest in manipulating individual games however.  The league would have interest in keeping games close so as to maximize viewership and revenue. You know, like all of the divisional and conference championship games were.

 

The economics involved in anything where huge sums of money are involved virtually always leads to some people cheating or gaming the system for a bigger chunk of it.  That’s just how the world really works.

[Buffalo Boy]

18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

a ref conspiracy thread....cool!

An owner with financial gambling interests offering his coach money to throw games allegations thread

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Buffalo Boy said:

An owner with financial gambling interests offering his coach money to throw games allegations thread

 

 

that's already the subject of a very long thread right here on page one.  

[Steve Billieve]

This stuff is completely nuts. You know it's not rigged BECAUSE of the money involved. The incentives just aren't there.

 

Even taking what Flores has said at face value, just look at what happened. Did he purposely lose for 100k? Hell no. Why would he? He's making millions of dollars because people think he can win football games. What possible motivation could he have to lose them? Certainly not for 100k, it would be irrational to do so even for millions since that's what you are already making legitimately.

 

If the NFL is involved in sports gambling they have an incentive to make sure it's fair. There business depends upon it.

 

Creating "professional" refs gives the refs power. It makes it harder to discipline and fire them. It would make it easier for a "pro" to entrench themselves and be corrupt.

 

Everything about this post is backwards.

[dorquemada]

13 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

So the league manipulates outcomes for what end? If you think that an owner like Jerry Jones is okay with his team losing for 2 decades because it's part of a greater plan then you are crazy. 

 

Maybe not the league per se, individual owners, coaches, whomever.  Degenerate gamblers make decisions that don't make sense to the rest of us

[SoCal Deek]

Somebody look at the overtime coin!  I'll bet everything I have that it was two tailed coin!  We never had a chance. 

[The Frankish Reich]

NFL refs now average $205,000/year. So long gone are the days of the "moonlighting referee." Sure, many have other jobs. So would you if your main gig required working 17 days a year.

[Royale with Cheese]

[Dablitzkrieg]

[The Wiz]

25 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Improper game specific scheming and intentionally poor play calling at critical moments would be the easiest ways to throw a game unless you include paying off a player to do so.  A critical INT, fumble, missed kick, blown coverage, etc. would do the trick in most games. 

This thought came in my mind also and sadly the first thing I thought of was Fraziers play calling with 13 seconds left. 

[Buffalo Boy]

    A couple decades ago they had baseball players in front of congress for taking steroids?!?!

    But, an owner propositioning his coach to throw game…… “ Move along folks, nothing to see here.” For a league that enjoys semi tax exempt status?

    Guess I must really be a kook to believe this is kinda big news 😎

    

[badassgixxer05]

There is a lot of money to be made. Wouldn't be surprised if refs/coaches/players are paid something at some point to control outcome of a game. It is in the end just entertainment. People do a lot of silly things for money in the entertainment industry.

5 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

This thought came in my mind also and sadly the first thing I thought of was Fraziers play calling with 13 seconds left. 

Dabolls play calling in multiple games this year....

[TheFunPolice]

I remember when wrestlers would go ballistic if you suggested WWF (its name then) wasn't "real" and was pre-determined.

 

Any wrestling fan remembers Hogan putting Belzer in a sleeper and messing him up pretty good. The suggestion being "show me a move Hulkster!" like it was all fun and games and not real sport. Hogan put in him a sleeper and choked him out on live TV. 

 

The whole thing was nuts, especially because Mr. T was there as well, as they were doing media for their WrestleMania tag team match. Mr. T demanded the adience be filled with kids, who then watch Hogan almost kill the host on live television! LOL 

 

Dude went out cold and smashed his head open when he hit the floor, with blood all over the place. 

 

What were we talking about again? 

Edited February 2, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[Freak-O]

Betting companies have no interest in fixing games. People who claim they do don’t understand how betting companies work. All they want is that people bet. The more people and the more bets the better. 

[Buffalo Boy]

2 minutes ago, Freak-O said:

Betting companies have no interest in fixing games. People who claim they do don’t understand how betting companies work. All they want is that people bet. The more people and the more bets the better. 

But single people with the ability to fix an outcome might

[Ramza86]

Ive always been of the notion there is corruption in every aspect of life.

 

Starting from the top. World leaders are easily swayed by money.

 

NFL wouldnt be any different. If the Bengals and Niners draw garbage ratings you bet your bottom dollar they will try to nudge them away from another repeat.

[buffaloboyinATL]

44 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

You had me until you started “connecting the dots”. Nice try Don. 

At least he didn't talk about buying land anywhere...

[Jay_Fixit]

One thing I’m not, is surprised this thread hasn’t been started yet.

[NewEra]

38 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

So the league manipulates outcomes for what end? If you think that an owner like Jerry Jones is okay with his team losing for 2 decades because it's part of a greater plan then you are crazy. 

That’s not what he is saying 

[HOUSE]

I been telling you guys for years, NEVER bet on Pro Sports

 

 

[Big Blitz]

The Giants and Redskins battled it out in the regular season finale in 2019 - the loser got the #2 pick and Chase Young..

 

Neither team looked like they wanted to lose that game.   

[Malazan]

48 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

You had me until you started “connecting the dots”. Nice try Don. 

 

He lost me at "I’m surprised this thread hasn’t been started." 

[Direhard Fan]

I think Flores cooked his own goose.  Who is going to hire him after dissing the NFL.  31 Billionaires [  GB is Community owned } do not care one bit about the Ronney Rule or what Flores says.  Sad!

[BarleyNY]

8 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

This thought came in my mind also and sadly the first thing I thought of was Fraziers play calling with 13 seconds left. 

That was as bad as imaginable.  But McDermott is the HC and it’s his defense.  It’s not like he wasn’t in on those calls, especially with the time outs.  I don’t think there was anything underhanded going on, but it was so bad it sure looked like there was. 

[NewEra]

19 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

NFL refs now average $205,000/year. So long gone are the days of the "moonlighting referee." Sure, many have other jobs. So would you if your main gig required working 17 days a year.

If I made 200k and worked 17 days a year I wouldn’t be working a second job after the age of 40.  Life is too short to be working it away. Life would be grand making 200k a year while working 17 days. 

[TheFunPolice]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

If I made 200k and worked 17 days a year I wouldn’t be working a second job after the age of 40.  Life is too short to be working it away. Life would be grand making 200k a year while working 17 days. 

 

my thoughts exactly!

[All_Pro_Bills]

19 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

NFL refs now average $205,000/year. So long gone are the days of the "moonlighting referee." Sure, many have other jobs. So would you if your main gig required working 17 days a year.

Where can I apply?  If required I can certainly ignore holding and pass interference calls as well as anyone. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I don't believe the NFL is fixed because there are way too many people involved in winning and losing football games.

 

I do believe owners do what's best for their franchises. That means preventing players from reaching incentives, playing for draft picks, and so on...

[JoPoy88]

So you’d have to show me the motivations for such a grand, widespread fixing conspiracy. The alleged motivation of Ross is easy to see - he wanted the best possible draft position. But for multiple teams, refs, league officials and co-conspirators like gambling sites to be working something? What’s the impetus behind that scheme?