Logic Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 As soon as I saw this report about Daboll, I thought to myself “welp, TBD is going to handle this very well. Lots of calm and rational discussion” Thread hasn’t disappointed so far. Shoutout to FilthyBeast, in particular. 😆 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demongyz Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 I hope he chases off all the crap coaches and replaces them with great coaches. Hell, let's get the crap players too. His job isn't to be buddies with the world, it's to win games and he's been pretty good at it. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 34 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: This is 100% believable and probably accurate given everything we know today. It was blatantly obvious there was some sort of power struggle going on throughout the season based on McDermott's public comments alone. Also makes sense they didn't waste much time trying to bring in an outside hire to fill the OC spot and stuck with a guy who will probably be forced to be McDermott's lackey in Dorsey. I think as more information leaks out from coaches that have already left and others likely out the door soon that there's trouble in paradise so to speak and this another reason McDermott's seat may be very hot in 2022. Troll bait. No wonder on ignore. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 If McD was responsible for "driving off" Bobby Johnson may I be the first to say...YAY! 4 2 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 This really is not news. I mean, I hate my wife, but we make it work. Common goals🤣 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Can he drive off Frazier? 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 It was clear as day during the season that Daboll and McDermott weren’t on the same page. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 I mean everyone hates bill belichick right as far as an employer goes…but he wins. It’s not a popularity contest lol 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 41 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Who cares. Daboll thought he was going to be a coach in 2021 cycle and didnt get it, furthermore he was pissy because McDermott publicly stated they needed to be more balanced on offense. I honestly think he came off like a goof in his opening press conference. Three years from now, Daboll will be asking for his job back. Yes..three years max...1st year is cap clearing tank year...then, 2nd year..draft QB behind leaky offensive line...then mid-third year with 2 wins, NY fans base become unruly and they end up with an interim HC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 I guess everyone's image of our front office sitting around holding hands and signing "kumbaya" has been blown. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 This is a throwaway line and basically a non-story. Maybe Daboll was frustrated with McD's game management or something else, or maybe he felt that McD didn't put him in the best position to be elevated into a HC. That doesn't mean he hated the guy or that they're bitter rivals or something. I get frustrated at my boss and coworkers sometimes too, that doesn't mean I'm miserable and will jump ship at any opportunity. Flores is basically bringing it up as a speculation. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 28 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Who cares. Daboll thought he was going to be a coach in 2021 cycle and didnt get it, furthermore he was pissy because McDermott publicly stated they needed to be more balanced on offense. I honestly think he came off like a goof in his opening press conference. Three years from now, Daboll will be asking for his job back. I don’t think Daboll was as interested in a HC gig last year as he was this year. He found a team with a GM he’s worked with before and with good ownership. If the owners are patient with the rebuild, then he should do well with the Giants. As for the Flores lawsuit, it’s an unfortunate situation. I understand what the Rooney Rule is trying to do - get minorities exposure and opportunities for higher level jobs in the NFL. I don’t think that there was any intentional racial bias here. The GM is hiring the guy he’s worked with before and thinks will be successful. I’m sure if Daboll were a minority he’d still be the new HC of the NYG. While the inner circle, boys club, who you know argument is still valid, I don’t know what you can do about situations like this. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, eball said: If McD was responsible for "driving off" Bobby Johnson may I be the first to say...YAY! Yea, I kinda have to believe that the kind of coaches that would be driven off are the ones not producing. I've worked plenty of places where everyone gets along with the boss until their boss makes them work harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Just now, BarleyNY said: I don’t think Daboll was as interested in a HC gig last year as he was this year. He found a team with a GM he’s worked with before and with good ownership. If the owners are patient with the rebuild, then he should do well with the Giants. As for the Flores lawsuit, it’s an unfortunate situation. I understand what the Rooney Rule is trying to do - get minorities exposure and opportunities for higher level jobs in the NFL. I don’t think that there was any intentional racial bias here. The GM is hiring the guy he’s worked with before and thinks will be successful. I’m sure if Daboll were a minority he’d still be the new HC of the NYG. While the inner circle, boys club, who you know argument is still valid, I don’t know what you can do about situations like this. Daboll was very interested in the LA job last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 It’s a job, a business, a place of employment. of course there are number of folks over there who don’t completely agree with McDermott or think he isn’t doing enough or doing more or they could do it better. you see them for 3 hours a week. The rest of the time who knows what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 42 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: This is 100% believable and probably accurate given everything we know today. It was blatantly obvious there was some sort of power struggle going on throughout the season based on McDermott's public comments alone. Also makes sense they didn't waste much time trying to bring in an outside hire to fill the OC spot and stuck with a guy who will probably be forced to be McDermott's lackey in Dorsey. I think as more information leaks out from coaches that have already left and others likely out the door soon that there's trouble in paradise so to speak and this another reason McDermott's seat may be very hot in 2022. Let's just pray to God we don't start running the football now that Daboll is gone. He may have been stuck in a power battle with McDermott all year long trying to pass as much as we did. It makes sense in that in some games, it seemed like we were sticking in weird run plays where they didn't fit or otherwise match the game plan. Like someone was telling him to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopreme Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: Can he drive off Frazier? I wish we could replace him with Flores. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamptonBillsfan Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 45 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Who cares. Daboll thought he was going to be a coach in 2021 cycle and didnt get it, furthermore he was pissy because McDermott publicly stated they needed to be more balanced on offense. I honestly think he came off like a goof in his opening press conference. Three years from now, Daboll will be asking for his job back. He burned his bridges up here. The guy got his 1st HC job and he trashes Sean, who gave him the OC job that laid the groundwork. Classless. Brian, every Bills player gave you a sterling endorsement and you stick in Sean's ear. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 "driving off"...i highly doubt it big ego's, high pressure, different philosophies, coordinators angling to be a HC, all coaches looking to stay employed, owners disatisfaction, regime changes, constantly looking for ways to improve, high turnover.....lots on the line. win or go home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 42 minutes ago, TBBills said: You have the worst takes and are always wrong so this is good for McDermott. What makes you say that? Is it possible you are exercising bias b/c the Bills are "your team" and you can't accept, perhaps even sub-consciously, that all is not well with the team behind closed doors? How do we know YOU don't have the wrong take? Lots of folks here have the "wrong take" here every week in the score prediction thread, when they predict the Bills to win--all games---by 30 points. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 24 minutes ago, Peter said: I take it that being the OC with Josh Allen and the Pegulas matching the Giants' giant offer had nothing to do with it . . . after we had to wait in suspense when we thought it was automatic. Other than that . . . . "We" thought it was automatic? It is starting to look like the only drama in the hiring was whether the Pegulas would match the increased price brought about by some competition. Pretty clear it is not that he hates McDermott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Just now, Mopreme said: I wish we could replace him with Flores. There was some talk of Flores maybe going to the Giants to be with Daboll, according to Sal C. on the radio earlier. That was coming from media covering the Giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 13 minutes ago, eball said: So Dorsey, a guy who has been in the NFL for 14 years and was being courted by multiple teams to be OC is going to be McD's "lackey?" Dude, find another pastime...this one is too much for you. We know this poster's game. Better question is why it's allowed on the forum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagoon Blues Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Loud Noises! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, MWK said: Could the speculation have been true? Doughball won't last 3 years in NY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 59 minutes ago, Process said: There was also a report recently, I can't remember the source, that said Frazier wanted out, wasn't there? God I hope so 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 So our former OC who was clearly attempting to take credit for Josh Allen's level of performance probably didn't get along with McD? But as soon as rumors started up about Daboll leaving, Allen was quick to say he wanted Dorsey. Yeah, sorry, I'm not really bothered by any of this. If McD was that bad, Dorsey would have left. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotme365 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Anyone who thinks MCD should be fired or on the hot seat can’t be a real Bills fan. It doesn’t add up. It doesn’t make any sense. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 We should all know by now that you have to be all-in with McD’s religious cult or you’re shunned and forced out. Daboll was probably an outsider and logical man. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Sometimes it's just time to say goodbye. If Daboll had that much friction with the decision making of his head coach, then it is time to see if he can do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: What makes you say that? Is it possible you are exercising bias b/c the Bills are "your team" and you can't accept, perhaps even sub-consciously, that all is not well with the team behind closed doors? How do we know YOU don't have the wrong take? Lots of folks here have the "wrong take" here every week in the score prediction thread, when they predict the Bills to win--all games---by 30 points. Do you actually know who you’re defending? He’s been here under multiple names, giving takes and predictions that are wrong every…single…time. Instead of being the dark night for terrible posters, just do a little research first. 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, Mopreme said: I wish we could replace him with Flores. Agreed. But Flores just dug a hole he’ll unfortunately never recover from. Those allegations are spectacular. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 45 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Well now Daboll can call 500 consecutive pass plays and see how that turns out. Funny stuff... sadly, it might actually happen. Anyway, It was rumored that at times during this season that McD was talking about Daboll in a very similar fashion to the way he talked about Rick Dennison...and he fired him after the season. I also think that at half time of that Tampa bay game when the Bills losing 24-3 and looking very bad on offense. McD read the riot act to Daboll...either that or a well placed boot! To the 5 watt bulb Bills fans that think that McD is going to be on a hot seat anytime soon. 1999 was the last time the Buffalo Bills were in a playoff game previous to Sean McDermott being hired as the Buffalo Bills head coach in 2017! And the man took the Bills to the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor at QB. 😲The Bills leading WR that season was Deonte Thompson. 4 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Governor said: We should all know by now that you have to be all-in with McD’s religious cult or you’re shunned and forced out. Daboll was probably an outsider and logical man. What? Evidence? Pure nonsense. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 All this talk of a power struggle is naive to say the least. The boss is the boss and any of the underlings who don't like it can find the door. Since when does a coordinator have any right to usurp the power of the head coach? They don't. I think this is just sour grapes from a former head coach who doesn't like that he was fired. Making up sh!t about other guys to support your agenda will not get you very far in the NFL. GMs and owners have long memories and there are precious few jobs. This is not a good look for Flores. It would also be wise for Daboll and anyone else associated with this rant to distance themselves from the story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 58 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Believe what you like my friend but the evidence is starting to pile up that McDermott is in over his head. And this started long before he figured out how to single handedly blow the Chiefs game and blow one of the best shots this franchise had at a SB again since the 90's. You are beyond tiresome. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Saint Doug said: Agreed. But Flores just dug a hole he’ll unfortunately never recover from. Those allegations are spectacular. Disagree that he can't recover from it. He can go to the SWAC, recruit the heck out of kids and make that conference one of the best in the country. The only thing they need is some rich alumni (or equivalent interested folks) to provide some under the table benefits for the kids to compete with the current larger schools in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) It was interesting listening to McKenzie's show where he discussed the 13 seconds... Just the way he talked about McDermott. A lot of stuff like "whatever he says goes" and just the tone like McD speaks and you listen was the vibe I got. I know that's how it actually is when it comes to coaches, but it seemed like he was saying something without saying it, if you know what I mean. It was in the context of him saying the players have no idea what happened on the kickoff or why that defense was called in those 13 seconds. He sort of implied that it wasn't their business. McD makes the calls and that's that. He was very critical of it though, saying "oh with that defense that's how" about how KC got right down the field. But that could just be McKenzie being a bit bitter about not being used more in the offense and having been benched for a fumble. I wondered especially early in the season if something wasn't quite right with the team but figured I was worrying about something that wasn't real. But IMO there's a disconnect going on. Why are talented guys getting buried on the bench? Boetger and especially Bates were better than the guys they were backing up. McKenzie comes in and shows he can make huge plays on offense in the 2nd NE game. Singletary's but was nailed to the bench until late in the season, and it quickly became clear he is by far our best RB once he actually got a chance to play. This stuff happens, but it seems to happen a lot this season. Edited February 1, 2022 by TheFunPolice 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: Disagree that he can't recover from it. He can go to the SWAC, recruit the heck out of kids and make that conference one of the best in the country. The only thing they need is some rich alumni (or equivalent interested folks) to provide some under the table benefits for the kids to compete with the current larger schools in the country. Even though they probably deserved it, he just threw 1/16th of NFL owners under the bus. If you were an owner, would you hire him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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