Brian Daboll hired to be Head Coach of NY Giants

[BuffaloBob]

16 hours ago, thunderingsquid said:

You may want to finally join twitter.  

I don't think Dorsey to the NJG is anywhere near a done deal.  The Bills will have their say first.  Dorsey is in a great spot.  He can negotiate and interview with the Giants and satisfy his friendship with Daboll, and use it to leverage a sweet pay day from the Bills.  If all things are equal, do you go to the team that needs a lot of work for your first OC job, or do you build up resume points with a Championship caliber team with a superstar QB who really wants you to stay? Hmmmmm....

Edited January 29, 2022 by BuffaloBob

[Nextmanup]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBob said:

I don't think Dorsey to the NJG is anywhere near a done deal.  The Bills will have their say first.  Dorsey is in a great spot.  He can negotiate and interview with the Giants and satisfy his friendship with Daboll, and use it to leverage a sweet pay day from the Bills.  If all things are equal, do you go to the team that needs a lot of work for your first OC job, or do you build up resume points with a Championship caliber team with a superstar QB who really wants you to stay? Hmmmmm....

I'm not convinced he's the best OC option for the Bills.

 

He's never done that before...I'd like more experience for a team that is this established at this point in time.

We should be picking from the cream of the league, not promoting a rookie from within.

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBob said:

I don't think Dorsey to the NJG is anywhere near a done deal.  The Bills will have their say first.  Dorsey is in a great spot.  He can negotiate and interview with the Giants and satisfy his friendship with Daboll, and use it to leverage a sweet pay day from the Bills.  If all things are equal, do you go to the team that needs a lot of work for your first OC job, or do you build up resume points with a Championship caliber team with a superstar QB who really wants you to stay? Hmmmmm....

Depends on how much you think about the job you can do.

 

Allen is already a top echelon QB. Dorsey can play it safe or choose to roll the dice if he believes he can help turn the Giants around. If he believes he can be a large part of helping Jones become a viable QB and the Giants being a much better offense the payout is much higher that if he just jumps into an already highly functioning offense with an already superstar QB.

 

All risk vs reward. 

[billsfan714]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloBob said:

I don't think Dorsey to the NJG is anywhere near a done deal.  The Bills will have their say first.  Dorsey is in a great spot.  He can negotiate and interview with the Giants and satisfy his friendship with Daboll, and use it to leverage a sweet pay day from the Bills.  If all things are equal, do you go to the team that needs a lot of work for your first OC job, or do you build up resume points with a Championship caliber team with a superstar QB who really wants you to stay? Hmmmmm....

Totally agree....from Dorsey's standpoint the next rung on the career ultimate goal, I assume is to be a HC, moving to Buffalo OC is the smartest move.   Giants OC could end badly.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

“Players don’t care how much you know,” Daboll said once, “until they know how much you care. I think that’s an important quality that I try to be better at every year.” 

 

True

 

https://nypost.com/2022/01/29/brian-daboll-must-help-daniel-jones-become-giants-franchise-qb/

 

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The jury remains out on Jones following the neck injury that cost him the final six games of this past season. Judge’s offensive coordinator woes and the wretched state of the Giants’ offensive line both helped sabotage his career. The Giants — from John Mara to Schoen on down — love Jones’ dual-threat physical tools and intangibles, and they will hope and pray that Daboll will be able to unlock the promise Jones showed as a rookie under Pat Shurmur. 

 

Huh....The promise Jones showed as a rookie under Pat Shurmur.....and offensive coordinator Mike Shula

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

Totally agree....from Dorsey's standpoint the next rung on the career ultimate goal, I assume is to be a HC, moving to Buffalo OC is the smartest move.   Giants OC could end badly.

 

I caught a tidbit of some talk on sports radio pointing out that on the one hand, if Dorsey takes over an already successful offense with an already established QB, the "bar" for him to show an impact and establish himself as a "QB whisperer" or a top OC in high demand as a HC is going to be pretty high.  He has to meet or exceed an already high standard.

 

On the other hand, if he goes to NYC and transforms Daniel Jones, it's going to be "All Hail the Chief"

 

Counterpoising that, if he goes to NYC, Daboll calls offensive plays, and he's seen as Daboll's underling, he's going to be in his shadow and may not be taken as seriously as a HC candidate.

 

Both jobs have arguments in their favor from the POV of taking a step in his career. 

 

Both tenures could end badly - if the Bills offense and Allen take a step back next year and Dorsey is the OC, he would most certainly be the "fall guy" (absent serious injuries) and could even go "one and done" like Dennison did. 

 

On the other hand if Jones continues to tank, Daboll is almost certain to get the green light to try again with a new QB and a couple years to develop him, so Dorsey would likely get 3 years.

[billsfan714]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I caught a tidbit of some talk on sports radio pointing out that on the one hand, if Dorsey takes over an already successful offense with an already established QB, the "bar" for him to show an impact and establish himself as a "QB whisperer" or a top OC in high demand as a HC is going to be pretty high.  He has to meet or exceed an already high standard.

 

On the other hand, if he goes to NYC and transforms Daniel Jones, it's going to be "All Hail the Chief"

 

Counterpoising that, if he goes to NYC, Daboll calls offensive plays, and he's seen as Daboll's underling, he's going to be in his shadow and may not be taken as seriously as a HC candidate.

I like the discussion and those are great points and the dilemma for Dorsey.   I hope Dorsey is smart enough to see, Daniel Jones, supposed dual threat, doesnt have the physical tools to hold up.  Then again if they have another terrible season, they will be drafting near the top and he and Daboll can try and get their guy.    But the draft is a another crap shoot, just ask the Browns and the Jets.   

[BuffaloBillyG]

16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I caught a tidbit of some talk on sports radio pointing out that on the one hand, if Dorsey takes over an already successful offense with an already established QB, the "bar" for him to show an impact and establish himself as a "QB whisperer" or a top OC in high demand as a HC is going to be pretty high.  He has to meet or exceed an already high standard.

 

On the other hand, if he goes to NYC and transforms Daniel Jones, it's going to be "All Hail the Chief"

 

Counterpoising that, if he goes to NYC, Daboll calls offensive plays, and he's seen as Daboll's underling, he's going to be in his shadow and may not be taken as seriously as a HC candidate.

 

Both jobs have arguments in their favor from the POV of taking a step in his career. 

 

Both tenures could end badly - if the Bills offense and Allen take a step back next year and Dorsey is the OC, he would most certainly be the "fall guy" (absent serious injuries) and could even go "one and done" like Dennison did. 

 

On the other hand if Jones continues to tank, Daboll is almost certain to get the green light to try again with a new QB and a couple years to develop him, so Dorsey would likely get 3 years.

An outside the box thought. Perhaps Daboll isn't planning on calling the plays. 

 

While it's commonplace for a new HC to hold onto playcalling duties, some forgo it to concentrate on running game management. Also, Daboll may not want to call plays from the sideline. If memory serves correct he attempted that early in his Buffalo career before heading upstairs. Possibly, he believes that is optimal for the playcaller and may lead to him offering a guy he knows, respect and trusts (Dorsey) a shot a calling the plays.

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

An outside the box thought. Perhaps Daboll isn't planning on calling the plays. 

 

While it's commonplace for a new HC to hold onto playcalling duties, some forgo it to concentrate on running game management. Also, Daboll may not want to call plays from the sideline. If memory serves correct he attempted that early in his Buffalo career before heading upstairs. Possibly, he believes that is optimal for the playcaller and may lead to him offering a guy he knows, respect and trusts (Dorsey) a shot a calling the plays.

That would be wise Imo. For example both stefanski and Nagy were constantly asked if they would give up play calling to the OC all season when things weren’t going well. The OC for a play calling offensive HC essentially becomes like the backup QB when things aren’t going well, the most popular guy in town. If he started out with Dorsey calling plays he takes that element out. Question is if he can handle that. He may be able to with Dorsey but not someone else which is why it was rumored that he wanted it to be a package deal. 

Edited January 29, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[billsfan714]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

That would be wise Imo. For example both stefanski and Nagy were constantly asked if they would give up play calling to the OC all season when things weren’t going well. The OC for a play calling offensive HC essentially becomes like the backup QB when things aren’t going well, the most popular guy in town. If he started out with Dorsey calling plays he takes that element out. Question is if he can handle that. He may be able to with Dorsey but not someone else which is why it was rumored that he wanted it to be a package deal. 

Man, we're coming at this from all angles.  Interesting.

[clayboy54]

40 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

An outside the box thought. Perhaps Daboll isn't planning on calling the plays. 

 

While it's commonplace for a new HC to hold onto playcalling duties, some forgo it to concentrate on running game management. Also, Daboll may not want to call plays from the sideline. If memory serves correct he attempted that early in his Buffalo career before heading upstairs. Possibly, he believes that is optimal for the playcaller and may lead to him offering a guy he knows, respect and trusts (Dorsey) a shot a calling the plays.

Expecting Daboll to concentrate on the running game would be like expecting to find a goldmine in your garden. Possible, but not very likely.

[BuffaloBob]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Depends on how much you think about the job you can do.

 

Allen is already a top echelon QB. Dorsey can play it safe or choose to roll the dice if he believes he can help turn the Giants around. If he believes he can be a large part of helping Jones become a viable QB and the Giants being a much better offense the payout is much higher that if he just jumps into an already highly functioning offense with an already superstar QB.

 

All risk vs reward. 

I agree.  Thus my point that given we don't know how he's thinking, we don't know one way or the other.  There are other factors as well, including moving the family and how much the Bills are willing to pay him or even how much they value him over someone who has been calling plays.

[Reed83HOF]

If he wasn't 70 years old, Chan would be an excellent OC here

[BuffaloBob]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

I'm not convinced he's the best OC option for the Bills.

 

He's never done that before...I'd like more experience for a team that is this established at this point in time.

We should be picking from the cream of the league, not promoting a rookie from within.

 

 

I'm not either.  It remains to be seen how the Bills value him and his experience in the offense, and whether they think he has what it takes to call the plays in a game situation.  We will soon find out.

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

Expecting Daboll to concentrate on the running game would be like expecting to find a goldmine in your garden. Possible, but not very likely.

 

[NoSaint]

5 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

Expecting Daboll to concentrate on the running game would be like expecting to find a goldmine in your garden. Possible, but not very likely.

i believe he was saying running the operations of game management

[Apocalypse Nuts]

I would have LOVED to have Daboll be OC when the Bills win their first Super Bowl.  But it's still incredibly meaningful that he, as a Buffalo native, has been such an integral part of this team's amazing rise to relevance again in the NFL.  He deserves as shot as a head coach but I'm sad to see him go before we win that Big One. 

[dgrochester55]

I am glad that Daboll is getting a chance to coach somewhere.  

 

I wonder his he will take a lot of Bills castoffs in the same way that McDermott did with the Panthers in the beginning of his stint?    If so, might I suggest starting with Edmunds?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Wonder how Saquan will like 3 Carries per game 

[MiltonWaddams]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Wonder how Saquan will like 3 Carries per game 

That’s how many carries he will get in the first game, then his legs will implode and that problem will be solved. No legs. No running.

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, dgrochester55 said:

I am glad that Daboll is getting a chance to coach somewhere.  

 

I wonder his he will take a lot of Bills castoffs in the same way that McDermott did with the Panthers in the beginning of his stint?    If so, might I suggest starting with Edmunds?

Why? Are you a Brian Daboll fan or a fan of the Buffalo Bills?

 

His leaving will be extremely disruptive to the team.

 

 

[Turbo44]

10 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Why? Are you a Brian Daboll fan or a fan of the Buffalo Bills?

 

His leaving will be extremely disruptive to the team.

 

 

Daboll has been really good for Buffalo, but we’ll survive……

[buffalochips]

hopefully we get someone who knows how to run the ball

[Mark92]

2 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

That’s how many carries he will get in the first game, then his legs will implode and that problem will be solved. No legs. No running.

Will they trade Barkley?  I could see it.

[John from Riverside]

He didnt end up in our division so I am going to wish him luck....

 

Just saying though.....he doesnt have a unicorn qb he might find this a tad more difficult

[OZBILLS]

Looking forward to a decent red zone OC

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Bill Giants Orchard Park 2023.

 

will you be there? 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

9 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

The only reason I can think of is McDermott. For me, it would confirm a concern I have, that McDermott was interfering with the offense at times this season and there was rift between Daboll and McD. Dorsey might have witnessed this and/or heard Daboll saying the HC wants this so we do this. Dorsey also might have a better relationship with Dabes. Couple of possibilities. 

 

I agree with you to a point.  Do think there was often a disconnect between the two.  Whenever we'd lose a game, it seemed McD was annoyed that we didn't run enough.  Seemed most posters here tended to agree and were also ripping Daboll for not running enough.  But games like last week would complain we ran too much. 

 

So do think McD had a somewhat different take on how much we should run the ball and may have created friction between the two.  But not sure personally who I'd tend to agree with either.  Likely would depend on whether we won or lost the game!  LOL

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, dgrochester55 said:

I am glad that Daboll is getting a chance to coach somewhere.  

 

I wonder his he will take a lot of Bills castoffs in the same way that McDermott did with the Panthers in the beginning of his stint?    If so, might I suggest starting with Edmunds?

Just listening to a local SoCal sports radio show. This one guy was convinced without Daboll, Allen will struggle.  This ridiculous and never ending narrative on Josh is both insanity and hilarious. Daboll will struggle with the Giants. Unless Russell Wilson or Watson falls in his lap. Josh will be just fine w/o Dabs.

Edited January 30, 2022 by LABILLBACKER

[BADOLBILZ]

22 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Just listening to a local SoCal sports radio show. This one guy was convinced without Daboll, Allen will struggle.  This ridiculous and never ending narrative on Josh is both insanity and hilarious. Daboll will struggle with the Giants. Unless Russell Wilson or Watson falls in his lap. Josh will be just fine w/o Dabs.

 

Fwiw John Clayton said that Pittsburgh and NYG ownership both told prospective HC candidates that they would not have DeShaun Watson on their teams under any circumstance.

 

I think Russ would like to be in NY but not sure they are in a good place cap-wise to be able to trade for Russ.........pay Russ........and give him all of the players he would want to make the move.

 

[Victory Formation]

5 hours ago, Apocalypse Nuts said:

I would have LOVED to have Daboll be OC when the Bills win their first Super Bowl.  But it's still incredibly meaningful that he, as a Buffalo native, has been such an integral part of this team's amazing rise to relevance again in the NFL.  He deserves as shot as a head coach but I'm sad to see him go before we win that Big One. 

We can always get him back in two years when he is relieved of his head coaching duties for the Giants.

[billsfan89]

Good for Daboll and a good hire for the Giants to try and capture lightening in a bottle from one of the best organization in football (feels good to say that). 

[WyoAZBillfan]

Good luck to him. 
Go Bills!!

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:

We can always get him back in two years when he is relieved of his head coaching duties for the Giants.

Don't laugh,  that's very possible. 

[Best Williams Available]

Is Daboll capable of running an O like he did here and use Saquon Barkley well? Will Barkley regress or will his O be even more potent with a good RB? I tended to think his O was overly complex and Josh made it work because of his capabilities and smarts. This thing could fall flat quick. Guess we’ll see.

[AuntieEm]

2 hours ago, Best Williams Available said:

Is Daboll capable of running an O like he did here and use Saquon Barkley well? Will Barkley regress or will his O be even more potent with a good RB? I tended to think his O was overly complex and Josh made it work because of his capabilities and smarts. This thing could fall flat quick. Guess we’ll see.

 

   He may hire a competent OC and not oversee the offense that heavily.  BB praised Daboll as being qualified to coach numerous position groups.  Offense and defense which I'd place Daboll as likely able to oversee a team capably but allowing his coordinators to fine tune their units.  We shall certainly see, we know he has a capable gm so he'll get players with skills he requests.  His staff hires will be what makes or breaks his start there.  He's considered a players coach in that he really cares for them as people not just an x or o in his gameplans.  I'd expect he'd have a staff that mirrors that. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 30, 2022 by AuntieEm

[In Summary]

13 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

The only reason I can think of is McDermott. For me, it would confirm a concern I have, that McDermott was interfering with the offense at times this season and there was rift between Daboll and McD. Dorsey might have witnessed this and/or heard Daboll saying the HC wants this so we do this. Dorsey also might have a better relationship with Dabes. Couple of possibilities. 

I'd hope that McDermott would intervene when Daboll was drifting of the path. 

[Bookie Man]

12 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

So you think so highly of a coach that you deem him worthy of being your HC, but you don’t think that taking him away from your rival is worth that team getting pick 99 in the next two drafts?  You’re way overthinking this. 

I’m saying if it came down to the last 2 coaches that you have rated equally. Would this rule sway you? It’s totally hypothetical, but I don’t see how it wouldn’t factor in. Put yourself in that GM spot. That wouldn’t even cross your mind? 

[BarleyNY]

43 minutes ago, ßookie_tech said:

I’m saying if it came down to the last 2 coaches that you have rated equally. Would this rule sway you? It’s totally hypothetical, but I don’t see how it wouldn’t factor in. Put yourself in that GM spot. That wouldn’t even cross your mind? 

No.  The odds of two head coaching candidates being completely even is very remote.  So I would choose the best candidate regardless of whether or not another team got a couple picks around #98.  And again, stealing away a quality coach from a division opponent would outweigh theme  getting those picks.  

[TBBills]

11 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

We can always get him back in two years when he is relieved of his head coaching duties for the Giants.

By that time the Bills won't want him back after winning 2 Superbowls.

11 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

Good for Daboll and a good hire for the Giants to try and capture lightening in a bottle from one of the best organization in football (feels good to say that). 

Yea but the only problem is Giants don't have Josh Allen coming with Daboll.