Brian Daboll hired to be Head Coach of NY Giants

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, Greg S said:

We will see if they pick up his option in 2023. 

That’s fair.  I would expect that they do almost regardless of what happens this season, but not doing so sure tells you everything you need to know.

 

Obviously Daboll can’t say anything except what he has.  Of course he loves Daniel Jones, his upside and what he could do in an offense that plays to his strengths, etc.  Full confidence, set him up for success and see if he sinks or swims.  It’s the only smart move at this time. 

[Nextmanup]

If Daboll is high on Daniel Jones, he's also high on something else.

 

 

[Utah John]

Between Jones and Darnold, I'm not sure which New York QB was screwed up worse by their team.  Darnold is going the same way as Josh Rosen, QBs who might have been successful if not completely mishandled.  Of course there are a lot of other QBs who didn't succeed who probably feel the same way about THEIR teams.  

 

OTOH there's Josh Allen, who could have collapsed in his first year or two without the nurturing of the coaching staff in Buffalo and Beane's ability to put good skill players around him.  Thankfully it worked out so well.  

[KingBoots8]

What is he supposed to say?

 

”yeah, glad to be here and all, but MAN DOES OUR QB SUUUUUUUUUCK! On an unrelated note, I look forward to meeting my players and building a winning culture here *cough cough* except Danny Dimes *cough cough*”

 

He’s going to bat for his guy, take a year to take a look at what he can do in a new system, try to get him some protection, and go from there. He sinks? he gets replaced next year. He swims? He continues playing until Arch Manning declares and the Giants tank for a year.

[HOUSE]

This is much better then saying he sucks

[Captain Hindsight]

I'm higher on Jones than most. He is a great athlete and has enough tools to be a good starter in the league. I think Daboll can make a good starter out him 

[Nextmanup]

5 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

This is much better then saying he sucks

It's amazing how much "sports talk" is predicated on some official comment made in public by a player, coach, GM, owner, whoever...as though what these people say publicly has anything to do with what they are actually thinking.

 

Did we all expect Daboll to say "To be honest, I think he's terrible.  I plan to quickly move on from him, and it's going to be tough sledding for a few years, but we'll get it done!"  ???

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

4 hours ago, Blainorama5 said:

Welcome to TBD my friend.  It's what we do.  😉👍

 

Honestly, Dion Dawkins needs to move to guard. And Duke Williams should be starting. And Zay Jones sucks. 

[Albany,n.y.]

21 minutes ago, Utah John said:

 Between Jones and Darnold, I'm not sure which New York QB was screwed up worse by their team.  Darnold is going the same way as Josh Rosen, QBs who might have been successful if not completely mishandled.  Of course there are a lot of other QBs who didn't succeed who probably feel the same way about THEIR teams.  

 

OTOH there's Josh Allen, who could have collapsed in his first year or two without the nurturing of the coaching staff in Buffalo and Beane's ability to put good skill players around him.  Thankfully it worked out so well.  

I'm in the you can't ruin a QB group.  So far, the only thing Jones & Darnold have been are coach killers, not the other way around.  Darnold has ruined 2 coaches as has Jones, if Rhule didn't have such a long term expensive contract Darnold might already have another notch on his belt.  Josh Rosen was never going to succeed.  He himself admits that he didn't work hard enough early in his career.  He mishandled himself, not the teams he was on who saw what they had in him quickly & bounced him.  If by some miracle Rosen turns things around it will be because he now realizes he needs to apply himself, not because a coach came around who fixed him.

 

Josh Allen on the other hand was the exact opposite of Rosen when he came into the NFL, working his butt off to get better.  He would have succeeded with any team because he would have done what he has been doing, working with his own QB coach every offseason, along with the team's coaching staff. 

 

Now it's 6 coaches between Jones & Darnold and you're blaming the teams that drafted them.  All 3 QBs you mentioned got their coach fired their rookie year.  Thatis not a coincidence-it's on them, the coach killing trio.  

[dave mcbride]

22 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I'm higher on Jones than most. He is a great athlete and has enough tools to be a good starter in the league. I think Daboll can make a good starter out him 

I agree with you. He has tools. 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Is daboll still going to be calling plays? 

[Albany,n.y.]

10 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Is daboll still going to be calling plays? 

He said it depends.  My guess is if he gets Dorsey or someone else he knows & trusts, he'll let that OC call the plays.  If he settles for someone else, it will probably be based on how comfortable he is with the guy. 

[BillsFan4]

1 hour ago, eball said:

Watched most of the Daboll PC (when the feed wasn't breaking up...nice job Giants).  I like Daboll but I'm still not sure he's cut out for a HC job.  I'll give him credit, though...he stayed far, far away from any sort of predictions or timelines, and the NY media and fans will hate that.  Dabes was all "it's a process" and "we've gotta crawl before we walk" throughout the whole thing.  All of the NY hacks were like "when will you turn this around" and he was having none of it.

 

It's one thing to bring that mentality to Buffalo...the NYC media market is a whole other animal.  Daboll even got a question about whether Cinci going from 2 wins to 4 wins to Super Bowl puts any increased pressure on him to turn things around immediately.  I almost felt bad for the guy.

I watched the whole thing and had a much different impression. I liked a lot of what he had to say and I thought he handled all the questions well. 

[Albany,n.y.]

43 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

It's amazing how much "sports talk" is predicated on some official comment made in public by a player, coach, GM, owner, whoever...as though what these people say publicly has anything to do with what they are actually thinking.

 

Did we all expect Daboll to say "To be honest, I think he's terrible.  I plan to quickly move on from him, and it's going to be tough sledding for a few years, but we'll get it done!"  ???

 

 

Kingsbury talked up Rosen & Saleh talked up Darnold when they were introduced.  Once they got in the building & reviewed the tapes & talked with people they sent these guys packing.  Daboll will keep Jones around but I'd be shocked if he didn't bring in some competition for the starting job before camp.  

[Bad Things]

Do we know how much longer it'll be before we find out if Daboll is bringing Dorsey with him?

 

[Lane Meyer K12]

Good luck to Daboll. He was a good OC here and deserved the promotion. 

[eball]

1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said:

I watched the whole thing and had a much different impression. I liked a lot of what he had to say and I thought he handled all the questions well. 

 

Didn't mean for my post to sound like a criticism of Daboll at all...I agree he handled it well.  I'm just saying the NYC media will only accept those sort of responses for a short time.  The honeymoon is a lot shorter in that neck of the woods than it is in Buffalo.

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I'm in the you can't ruin a QB group.  So far, the only thing Jones & Darnold have been are coach killers, not the other way around.  Darnold has ruined 2 coaches as has Jones, if Rhule didn't have such a long term expensive contract Darnold might already have another notch on his belt.  Josh Rosen was never going to succeed.  He himself admits that he didn't work hard enough early in his career.  He mishandled himself, not the teams he was on who saw what they had in him quickly & bounced him.  If by some miracle Rosen turns things around it will be because he now realizes he needs to apply himself, not because a coach came around who fixed him.

 

Josh Allen on the other hand was the exact opposite of Rosen when he came into the NFL, working his butt off to get better.  He would have succeeded with any team because he would have done what he has been doing, working with his own QB coach every offseason, along with the team's coaching staff. 

 

Now it's 6 coaches between Jones & Darnold and you're blaming the teams that drafted them.  All 3 QBs you mentioned got their coach fired their rookie year.  Thatis not a coincidence-it's on them, the coach killing trio.  

It cuts both ways- if an org fails a guy more than a year or two it gets hard for him to get the repetitions in practice to recover from a bad start. 
 

once you’ve picked up some bad habits it takes time and good reps to fix them and that’s one thing that young qbs don’t get a whole lot of once they are off track 

[Motorin']

Giants already leaning into Daboll's personality for TikTok content:

 

 

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[John from Riverside]

41 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

Giants already leaning into Daboll's personality for TikTok content:

 

 

 

 

 

Enjoy this Brian....when you start losing games that group your having fun with is going to turn into a tank of sharks with blood in the water.

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

It cuts both ways- if an org fails a guy more than a year or two it gets hard for him to get the repetitions in practice to recover from a bad start. 
 

once you’ve picked up some bad habits it takes time and good reps to fix them and that’s one thing that young qbs don’t get a whole lot of once they are off track 

The only 1 of the 3 QBs mentioned whose reps were diminished was Rosen.  Most 1st round busts played their way down the depth chart, they got plenty of reps until the team could see they were busts.  They failed the organiztion, not the other way.  As far as Rosen goes, he claims to have seen the error of his ways, but he was really bad when the Falcons put him in at garbage time.

An example of someone who never got a chance was 2nd rounder Christian Hackenberg.  He was so bad in practice & preseason games that he never played a down in his 2 years with the Jets.  It was as if the Jets were afraid to put him in a game.  He then ended up in the short-lived AAF and was as bad as his preseason Jets games & got benched before the league folded.  

 

Here's a good article from last November on Rosen.  I actually had hopes he makes it after reading the article, but he almost certainly has no chance of ever fulfilling the promise that made him the 10th pick of the 2018 draft .https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32706881/josh-rosen-finds-peace-perspective-atlanta-mentor-rich-gannon  This is the part that stands out why Rosen failed prior organizations:  

That Rosen is figuring this out now is also an admission of what he failed to do early in his career. Since he has been in Atlanta, he has said there are things he wishes he had done differently in his earlier stops. Some of that went into how he did -- and didn't -- prepare. 

Too often, he was concerned about what the other team might try to do -- sacrificing the time he needed to make sure he knew his team's own game plan well enough to be able to then use the nuances within it to solve what defenses might throw at him.

The last two seasons, watching Tom Brady and then Ryan, helped show him the value in approaching that first.

"I wasn't studying our game plan enough," Rosen said. "And here I've been doing that a bunch more and it just allows you to play really quick and operate and know your progression in your sleep. Like dream about those pass pictures.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Warcodered]

17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

[CircleTheWagons99]

 

[Bronxbomber21]

It crazy that all of this is happening the Giants is the team I root for in the NFC and now there becoming Buffalo south

[Warcodered]

 

[HomeTeam]

Just watched dabolls press conference. 

 

I wish him well in New York. The NFL is much better when the Giants are relevant. 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

 

Yukon Dabolius.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

I just realized Schoen/Daboll must have sent Fromm to be his qb of the future. 4d chess!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 1/28/2022 at 6:50 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I believe they're talking about Daboll's current wife and their 4 kids

Since she still has Daboll's picture heading her twitter account, not any "ex" about her.

 

And there they are

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

 

Looking at Wink Martindale and Sean Desia (2021 Bears DC).

Wonder who else?

 

Some people have suggested that Martindale's blitz-heavy defenses are outdated in the modern NFL

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

I didn't think a team could refuse permission for an assistant to interview for a coordinator position

At least, with Dorsey, the question of permission/refusal didn't seem to arise.

 

I also don't keep up - didn't realize that Keith Butler (Steelers DC) had retired in January.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I didn't think a team could refuse permission for an assistant to interview for a coordinator position

At least, with Dorsey, the question of permission/refusal didn't seem to arise.

 

I also don't keep up - didn't realize that Keith Butler (Steelers DC) had retired in January.

 

 

I believe you’re right, they can’t refuse permission here 

On 2/2/2022 at 12:44 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

And there they are

 

That’s his 3rd wife I think 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

That’s his 3rd wife I think 

 

Second, I think.  At least if you google "Brian Daboll second wife" she comes up.  But who's counting? (The kids are his, hers, and theirs, 2 each)

 

https://nypost.com/2022/02/04/brian-dabolls-wife-talks-his-personality-how-they-met-family-life/

 

Some of her stories though LOL

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During his days as the offensive coordinator in Buffalo, Daboll used to have his players and coaches over to the house for an impromptu barbecue and a swim in the backyard pool. These events happened so randomly that Beth sometimes would have no idea until a bunch of hungry 300-pound men turned up at their home. 
 

“This man will see one of his guys at a grocery store and he’ll be like, ‘Hey, come on over, let’s grill steaks,’ ” Beth Daboll said. “One time, I was in the backyard in my bathing suit swimming with the kids, no makeup on, hair in a bun and 40 guys walk into the yard and said, ‘Dabes said to come on over.’ 

 

 

[Punching Bag]

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During his days as the offensive coordinator in Buffalo, Daboll used to have his players and coaches over to the house for an impromptu barbecue and a swim in the backyard pool. These events happened so randomly that Beth sometimes would have no idea until a bunch of hungry 300-pound men turned up at their home. 
 

“This man will see one of his guys at a grocery store and he’ll be like, ‘Hey, come on over, let’s grill steaks,’ ” Beth Daboll said. “One time, I was in the backyard in my bathing suit swimming with the kids, no makeup on, hair in a bun and 40 guys walk into the yard and said, ‘Dabes said to come on over.’ 

 

I am so surprised that NFLPA has not penalized Bills for Daboll with all of his offseason contact.

[Punching Bag]

 

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Beth and Brian met in 2006 at a bar in Buffalo. Brian was celebrating his 30th birthday with some buddies and Beth was out with some girlfriends on their way to see a local band. 

 

That is so a Buffalo story.  He was a coach for New England then.

• New England Patriots (2002–2006) Wide receivers coach
• New York Jets (2007–2008) Quarterbacks coach

 

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“We came here [to Buffalo] for the last four years of their lives,’’ she said. “We got to see them constantly. He always felt it would be so hard to leave them there, knowing that could be the last time he sees them. It’s like God took them intentionally so Brian could move on with his life. 

 

Good luck (except in Superbowl vs Bills) the man I called Coach Diabolical. 

Edited February 6, 2022 by Limeaid

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

I am so surprised that NFLPA has not penalized Bills for Daboll with all of his offseason contact.

 

The coaches and players are prohibited from football related activities together.  They can’t discuss the playbook, watch film together, hold workouts, or other “football related activities”.  If Daboll chooses to invite 40 of his closest 300 lb friends over to devour chunks of grilled steer and pound beers, the NFL has nothing to say about the choices they make in their daily social lives.  

 

But this was probably during the pre-season or June OTAs

[Buffalo Barbarian]

6 minutes ago, RunJoshRun said:

He schemes plays.  He makes diagrams.  He cheers on the offensive players.

What did he do in the PATS game at home, the Jags game away, the Steelers here or the Indy fiasco???  No answers?

 

He's benefited by a very special NFL QB.  IF the special QB can't execute he's just another guy on the staff.

 

This is his history -

 

How many positions did he keep for just 1 year??

 

William & Mary (1997)
Volunteer assistant

Michigan State (1998–1999)
Graduate assistant

New England Patriots (2000–2001)
Defensive assistant

New England Patriots (2002–2006)
Wide receivers coach

New York Jets (2007–2008)
Quarterbacks coach

Cleveland Browns (2009–2010)
Offensive coordinator

Miami Dolphins (2011)
Offensive coordinator

Kansas City Chiefs (2012)
Offensive coordinator

New England Patriots (2013–2016)
Tight ends coach

Alabama (2017)
Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach

Buffalo Bills (2018–2021)
Offensive coordinator

New York Giants (2022–present)
Head coach

 

After this career he deserves BIG MONEY - -   but he isn't a Head Coach! 

 

Guess we'll find out, not having a QB will doom him regardless, unless he is a QB wizard and can transform Jones or whoever.

 

 

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Guess we'll find out, not having a QB will doom him regardless, unless he is a QB wizard and can transform Jones or whoever.

 

 

 

Yeah,  but……..

 

“He schemes plays.  He makes diagrams.  He cheers on the offensive players”. Then comes the LinkedIn section. 

 

You need a QB, then go from there. 

 

Time will tell indeed.