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30 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Something you say when you want the HC job. Not saying he doesn’t, but I’ll take that with a grain of salt. 

Of course he's going to say that he loves Daniel Jones.


In reality, he might be thinking "need to move on from him quickly."

 

Sports fans love to take what sports personalities say publicly as the truth for some reason.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Of course he's going to say that he loves Daniel Jones.


In reality, he might be thinking "need to move on from him quickly."

 

Sports fans love to take what sports personalities say publicly as the truth for some reason.

 

The interesting question will be if the Giants bring in Trubisky or not. The Giants OL is a bit of a hot mess. Not sure that is Dabs strength. I see the G-Men drafting/ acquiring OL to try to get the most out of Jones and Barkley. Not certain Trubisky would do well with a poor OL.

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1 hour ago, FFadpecr said:

Or, in reality, he really does love Daniel Jones. Not hard to believe at all; Daniel Jones skill-set matches perfectly with Erhardt-Perkins.

 

Stop treating your own personal opinion as fact.

 

It's already known that Belichick, who also runs the Erhardt-Perkins Offense, loved Daniel Jones in the 2019 Draft.

 

Why is this so hard for people to believe?

 

Daboll loves Daniel Jones. 

 

We will treat that as fact until proven otherwise (Giants invest high draft pick on a QB, which is unlikely)

 

I am going to assume that he went to the Giants because he loves Jake Fromm.  No one has produced a shred of evidence that he dislikes Fromm except him not making the Bills' active roster, but that's something controlled by Sean McDermott.  

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Highly doubt he loves Dan Jones. I don’t think he hates him either. The truth is the middle ground. He wanted a HC job, so said what the owner wanted to hear. If he said Dan Jones has to go, he would still be a Bill. I’m sure he’s going to take the cautious approach and try to salvage the situation. It’s in his best interest to make Dan Jones a gamer, not some other QB. 

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2 hours ago, FFadpecr said:

 

 

No. False. He is being genuine. Daniel Jones skill set is perfect fit for his Edhardt-Perkins system. I understand his system and I understand Daniel Jones' skill-set. It's a perfect fit on a football level.

 

They’ll be drafting a QB in the top 10 in 2023

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4 hours ago, FFadpecr said:

 

 

No. False. He is being genuine. Daniel Jones skill set is perfect fit for his Edhardt-Perkins system. I understand his system and I understand Daniel Jones' skill-set. It's a perfect fit on a football level.

 

Love when people try to make bad QB look good by picking the most random stat b.c it happens to be the only one that makes him not look bad. 

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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

They’ll be drafting a QB in the top 10 in 2023

Possibly. Depending on how teams around the NFL improve, of course...looking at their schedule for next year I can see 7 or 8 wins. If the Giants can improve their OLine they can improve even with (or in spite of) DJ as the QB.

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30 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Daniel jones is the perfect QB for a new head coach

 

He somehow develops youre a genius

 

He remains what he has been you get to draft a top 10 QB the next year

On the other hand, what if you coach him to continuous mediocrity? He certainly doesn’t have the talent of Josh, but I could see him coached up to the level of another Jones we all know. But Daboll is no Hoodie either. He could end up with perpetual 8-9 seasons (the new 8-8). 

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2 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

On the other hand, what if you coach him to continuous mediocrity? He certainly doesn’t have the talent of Josh, but I could see him coached up to the level of another Jones we all know. But Daboll is no Hoodie either. He could end up with perpetual 8-9 seasons (the new 8-8). 

I think you have to take a hard line with jones. Either he progresses a lot or you move on or at least can't let it stop you from drafting a guy 

 

Because you can't get stuck in mediocrity 

 

I could see jones developing into exactly what you described 

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On 1/28/2022 at 6:45 PM, K-9 said:

McD’s decisions to go for it on 4h down and convert, did that help the offense “at all?”

Good point.

 

I'd like to know if McD had final say on the kickoff with 13 seconds left. Because he should've. That's where a coach should dictate the rest of the game. Kickoff. Defense etc.

 

Not suggesting McD didn't have say.

 

Just curious.

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4 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Good point.

 

I'd like to know if McD had final say on the kickoff with 13 seconds left. Because he should've. That's where a coach should dictate the rest of the game. Kickoff. Defense etc.

 

Not suggesting McD didn't have say.

 

Just curious.

All indications are that he called a squib, but that he lost control of the team in the chaos of the celebration after Josh threw that TD with 13 seconds left. It seems that he never got complete control of the team after that. 

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10 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

All indications are that he called a squib, but that he lost control of the team in the chaos of the celebration after Josh threw that TD with 13 seconds left. It seems that he never got complete control of the team after that. 

Says a lot about McD...and not in a good way...

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17 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

All indications are that he called a squib, but that he lost control of the team in the chaos of the celebration after Josh threw that TD with 13 seconds left. It seems that he never got complete control of the team after that. 

Squib or no squib... after that kickoff the Bills defense didn't cover the Chiefs receivers and instead covered the sidelines...KO, touchback to the 25, 2 pass plays Tyreek Hill 19 yards, Travis Kelce 25 yards, 49 yard FG. 

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Listened to an interview on the Giants official website and Daboll kept quoting a phrase McDermott uses all the time, "Growth Mindset". I'm happy we have a leader like McDermott. Obviously Daboll is going to take a lot of what he learned from McDermott to the Giants.

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i live in central nj and see some giant games, and have a lot of gman fan friends.  i think their d was pretty good all things considered, and they came out to play when hope was slim, so it makes sense to keep their dc.

 

i wish dabol well since even tho i poo poo'd him a lot, he did obviously work really hard for us.  i don't think he's gonna have success though, he's an offensive experimentation guy, i don't think he's meticulous enough to be an effective hc and the microscope in NY/NJ is gonna burn him.

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2 minutes ago, colin said:

i live in central nj and see some giant games, and have a lot of gman fan friends.  i think their d was pretty good all things considered, and they came out to play when hope was slim, so it makes sense to keep their dc.

 

i wish dabol well since even tho i poo poo'd him a lot, he did obviously work really hard for us.  i don't think he's gonna have success though, he's an offensive experimentation guy, i don't think he's meticulous enough to be an effective hc and the microscope in NY/NJ is gonna burn him.


Agree completely.  Not the right environment for a Mad Scientist type - I wish him well but I don’t think his piles of notebooks will serve him in this role.

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2 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:

on Daniel Jones.

 

You can deny the truth all you want, but reality is reality.

Why do people think they know about NFL QB play than Brian Daboll?

 

This is comical. 

 

Daboll loves Daniel Jones. This is an obvious fact. 

Umm maybe because all these people that are supposed to know QB play can't draft them with any decent success rate?

 

 

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Just now, FFadpecr said:

on Daniel Jones.

 

You can deny the truth all you want, but reality is reality.

I deny that the Bills actually lost last week - I choose to believe they won, then beat Cincy and they're going to the Super Bowl....  doesn't mean that's reality either.  😉

As Mara said...  they've done everything to screw Jones up.  Can Daboll "rescue" an obviously talented QB and turn him into the next Josh Allen??  I'll have to see if that "reality" actually happens, but I ain't holding ym breath for the Giants.  We shall see....

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1 minute ago, FFadpecr said:

 

 

Bill Belichick (Erhardt-Perkins Offense) loved Daniel Jones in the 2019 Draft. Would have drafted Daniel if he fell to him.

 

For the last 2 years, Daniel Jones was stuck in an antiquated Jason Garrett Air Coryell Offense. A completely outdated Offense in the modern NFL.

 

Brian Daboll (Erhardt-Perkins Offense) understands the above and knows that Daniel is a perfect match for the EPO. Daboll knows scheme fits - he knows Daniel Jones' skill-set is tailor-made for the Erhardt-Perkins system.

All that sounds great, but draft position and schemes don't make a QB great.  Half (or more depending on who you talk to) of QB success in the NFL is mental.  Once you start screwing with a QB's psyche - it's not always something you can just snap your fingers and make all better.  Maybe Daboll will be a good fit with Jones, but I think that team has so many issues, it's going to be hard for Daboll to do what he did in Buffalo.  imho

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This was already discussed with you thoroughly in the Daboll thread yesterday. Not enough attention over there? You seem really dug in on the subject.  I don’t think bills fans in general care enough about Daniel Jones or the NYG to really give you the attention you need here though. 

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