For all of you enamored with speed - remember Marquise Goodwin

[BuffaloBill]

Speed alone does not get it done. Marquise Goodwin had one of the NFL’s fastest 40 times but his durability was questionable during his Buffalo Bills time. As Beane said in his press conference, “track stars are not necessarily football players.”

 

Tyreek Hill is a matchup challenge but it is not due to speed alone.

 

Also remember that the Bills have Marquez Stevens 100 percentile three cone drill on the roster. He does not have the 40 of Tyreek  but he has speed and shiftiness that is combined considered other worldly.

 

You have to wonder if the Bills have on their roster already or will identify a matchup nightmare in this year’s draft.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Most people likely mean game speed. Most players that play fast are also track fast but not all. 

 

 

Edited January 27, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Brand J]

Stevenson certainly didn’t look 6.46 three cone quick on the field. Hopefully he puts in a lot of work this off-season with direction from the coaches for how to become a better receiver. We need his speed on the field.

[The Wiz]

The difference between Goodwin and Stevenson is that Stevenson can track a ball in flight and Goodwin never could.

[dave mcbride]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

Speed alone does not get it done. Marquise Goodwin had one of the NFL’s fastest 40 times but his durability was questionable during his Buffalo Bills time. As Beane said in his press conference, “track stars are not necessarily football players.”

 

Tyreek Hill is a matchup challenge but it is not due to speed alone.

 

Also remember that the Bills have Marquez Stevens 100 percentile three cone drill on the roster. He does not have the 40 of Tyreek  but he has speed and shiftiness that is combined considered other worldly.

 

You have to wonder if the Bills have on their roster already or will identify a matchup nightmare in this year’s draft.

Stevenson's 3-cone # is amazing. I look forward to watching him become a player.

1 minute ago, JayBaller10 said:

Stevenson certainly didn’t look 6.46 three cone quick on the field. Hopefully he puts in a lot of work this off-season with direction from the coaches for how to become a better receiver. We need his speed on the field.

He looked absolutely blazing in college at WR.

[RobbRiddick]

I'd love us to get a speedy RB somewhere in the draft who is capable of taking it to the house once he hits a hole. Singletary can be shifty but defenses know they don't have to fear speed with the guy

[Mopreme]

How was Tyreek Hill a 5th round pick? 

[dave mcbride]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

Speed alone does not get it done. Marquise Goodwin had one of the NFL’s fastest 40 times but his durability was questionable during his Buffalo Bills time. As Beane said in his press conference, “track stars are not necessarily football players.”

 

Tyreek Hill is a matchup challenge but it is not due to speed alone.

 

Also remember that the Bills have Marquez Stevens 100 percentile three cone drill on the roster. He does not have the 40 of Tyreek  but he has speed and shiftiness that is combined considered other worldly.

 

You have to wonder if the Bills have on their roster already or will identify a matchup nightmare in this year’s draft.

Goodwin is still in the league. In a reserve role with the Bears, he's still averaging 16 ypr (20 receptions this season). 

1 minute ago, Mopreme said:

How was Tyreek Hill a 5th round pick? 

The same reason AB was a sixth round pick. Character questions. The concerns for both were valid. 

[thenorthremembers]

Thats exactly where Beane's statement regarding them needing to be good football players first comes in.  Tyreek Hill is in a different class when it comes to being a speedy player, because he runs that fast and is about 20 pounds heavier than guys like Mckenzie, and actually has good hands, which Goodwin could never say.  

 

I dont think going and getting Cornerbacks who run 4.3 40s is going to help the situation.  Bottom line is the Bills need to outscore the Chiefs with their offense or they probably will never get past them.  

   

[Nextmanup]

Who said we are looking for speed alone?

 

Of course you have to be a good football player first.

 

By the way, I always get a kick out of the fact that Tyreek Hill, who is as dangerous an offensive weapon as you could ever hope to find, was taken in the 5th round by KC, 165th overall.

 

Everyone in the league could have had him several times over and passed--

 

And yet fans continue to talk about "take the best man available" in the draft, as though that has any meaning, or that teams actually know who the best man available is.

 

It was Doug Whaley at the time of course, but the Bills took, over Tyreek Hill:

 

Shaq Lawson

Reggie Ragland

Adolphus Washington

Cardale Jones

Jonathan Williams (don't even remember him; RB from Arkansas)

 

 😲

 

🤷‍♂️

 

😭

 

 

[Clyde Smith]

Imagine his numbers if Allen was throwing to him. 

[dave mcbride]

4 minutes ago, Mopreme said:

How was Tyreek Hill a 5th round pick? 

From Draft Scout re: Hill:

 

Data Scout Notes: 2015: AFCA-AP...4* Oklahoma State Transfer...Aug 2015-Pleaded Guilty to domestic assault and battery by strangulation...2014: 12-12-14 - Dismissed from Oklahoma State...12-11-14 - Off-Field/Charged with felony domestic abuse/DS #9 Jr WR/KR...ONewcomerOYC/2ndC-KR-AP/HMC-STPOY/1stM-AP...PNewcomerOYM/2014 4* JUCO/Top JUCO Speed ATH/PNewcomerOYM

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

Who said we are looking for speed alone?

 

Of course you have to be a good football player first.

 

By the way, I always get a kick out of the fact that Tyreek Hill, who is as dangerous an offensive weapon as you could ever hope to find, was taken in the 5th round by KC, 165th overall.

 

Everyone in the league could have had him several times over and passed--

 

And yet fans continue to talk about "take the best man available" in the draft, as though that has any meaning, or that teams actually know who the best man available is.

 

It was Doug Whaley at the time of course, but the Bills took, over Tyreek Hill:

 

Shaq Lawson

Reggie Ragland

Adolphus Washington

Cardale Jones

Jonathan Williams (don't even remember him; RB from Arkansas)

 

 😲

 

🤷‍♂️

 

😭

 

 

Hill had strangulation charges and was kicked out of Oklahoma State. There's a reason why teams shied away from him. 

Edited January 27, 2022 by dave mcbride

[Southern_Bills]

4 minutes ago, Mopreme said:

How was Tyreek Hill a 5th round pick? 

 

Troubled past.

 

 

As far as Goodwin, he went on and had some role player production years elsewhere. A player like Goodwin would be much better with #17 throwing the ball.

[Solomon Grundy]

Listening to OBL, Chris Brown was pissing me and Steve Tasker off with the speed nonsense. Every fast player can’t play football. Like every tall person can’t play basketball 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

I'd love us to get a speedy RB somewhere in the draft who is capable of taking it to the house once he hits a hole. Singletary can be shifty but defenses know they don't have to fear speed with the guy

It's crazy a player like Elijah Mitchell was there until the 6th round. Blazing speed.

[Mopreme]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It's crazy a player like Elijah Mitchell was there until the 6th round. Blazing speed.

How did Beane not draft this guy?  I expect better. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Listening to OBL, Chris Brown was pissing me and Steve Tasker off with the speed nonsense. Every fast player can’t play football. Like every tall person can’t play basketball 

Speed with production. It's hard to know how any player will translate to the NFL. I can see the Bills taking the speed guy if grades are close.

[clearwater cadet]

How about John Ross, guy was a 4.2ish guy, 1st round pick, very little production.

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, clearwater cadet said:

How about John Ross, guy was a 4.2ish guy, 1st round pick, very little production.

Always injured though. That's the sort of thing you can't account for. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Don't think anyone is advocating for speed alone. In fact the WR group probably needs that 6'4" monster more so than they need more speed. 

[TFBillsfan]

The current roster only has one player, McKenzie, that is ANY threat to outrun or take it to the house. While the WR group is strong YAC are low. Some of it could be due to the lack of crossing patterns the Bills ran this year. However, speed at RB and WR is lacking. Lastly, we finally have a QB that can throw the ball. We could “use” an infusion of speed on offense however, scoring hasn’t been our issue.  We NEED a difference maker at DE, an impactful LB and another top CB.  Offense needs a stronger IOL and a running back that is a better runner than our QB. 

 

IMO, I want Beane to be aggressive this offseason and get some difference makers. Make some deals, trade for some proven talent or FA’s and then supplement remaining lower needs in the draft. This is a huge offseason for the Bills if they want to hoist a SB trophy.  Please don’t stand idle. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, clearwater cadet said:

How about John Ross, guy was a 4.2ish guy, 1st round pick, very little production.

Been keeping an eye on him since his Cincy time. Love the speed. Had issues tracking the ball but made a lot of improvements in that area. With the Giants now and just can't stay out of the trainers room. Been the story of his career. Shame too, he has game-changing speed when healthy.

[extrahammer]

21 minutes ago, Mopreme said:

How was Tyreek Hill a 5th round pick? 

He punched his pregnant future wife in the stomach. 

[Brandon]

Yeah, the first priority is whether or not he's actually a good football player.  Otherwise, it doesn't matter how fast he is. 

 

That being said,  I think they do need to try to find someone that has the speed to make plays after the catch,  whether it's McKenzie or someone else.

[mannc]

22 minutes ago, Mopreme said:

How was Tyreek Hill a 5th round pick? 

He had off-field issues.  I think he originally went to a power five school, got kicked out and ended up at West Alabama...

[Brand J]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It's crazy a player like Elijah Mitchell was there until the 6th round. Blazing speed.

A 5’10 200# RB with 4.3 speed should’ve definitely been on Beane’s list last draft. Especially when we were rumored to take a faster back like Etienne. I wonder what he and the league didn’t like about Elijah. Is the reason he lasted until the 6th round incompetence?

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Point taken, but I’ll echo that even Goodwin has made a decent NFL career w/ his skill set. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Stevenson is an exciting player. Here is a great video of his speed:

 

[Joe Mama]

Goodwin has/had a pretty decent career for a mid-round pick. 9 years in the league. He had almost 1000 receiving yards one year for SF. Not great. but above average for draft position.

[CoudyBills]

Yeah, I think people are enamored with Tyreek's speed.  He is a stupid fast FOOTBALL player and that's the difference.

[Rocky Landing]

I have to say, I'm a little surprised this thread hasn't turned into an anti Tyrod Taylor dog pile. This site has really evolved!

[Mr. WEO]

they say you can't teach speed....

[Helpmenow]

2 hours ago, clearwater cadet said:

How about John Ross, guy was a 4.2ish guy, 1st round pick, very little production.

How about Bob Hayes, one time world fastest human. Great player

[HalftimeAdjustment]

As far as Tyreek, I am ok with it if our team passed on him because we didn't want a convicted strangler.

[Starr Almighty]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

Speed alone does not get it done. Marquise Goodwin had one of the NFL’s fastest 40 times but his durability was questionable during his Buffalo Bills time. As Beane said in his press conference, “track stars are not necessarily football players.”

 

Tyreek Hill is a matchup challenge but it is not due to speed alone.

 

Also remember that the Bills have Marquez Stevens 100 percentile three cone drill on the roster. He does not have the 40 of Tyreek  but he has speed and shiftiness that is combined considered other worldly.

 

You have to wonder if the Bills have on their roster already or will identify a matchup nightmare in this year’s draft.

He also had a Walmart bagger at QB 

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

Speed alone does not get it done. Marquise Goodwin had one of the NFL’s fastest 40 times but his durability was questionable during his Buffalo Bills time. As Beane said in his press conference, “track stars are not necessarily football players.”

 

Tyreek Hill is a matchup challenge but it is not due to speed alone.

 

Also remember that the Bills have Marquez Stevens 100 percentile three cone drill on the roster. He does not have the 40 of Tyreek  but he has speed and shiftiness that is combined considered other worldly.

 

You have to wonder if the Bills have on their roster already or will identify a matchup nightmare in this year’s draft.

 

The difference is Hill is a football player with unmatched speed and great football instincts. That is almost impossible to find.

 

Does Stevenson look like he has that when he repeatedly runs into the backs of his own blockers on kickoffs?

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

Glad you're thinking of me all day OP 😘

[streetkings01]

5 hours ago, TFBillsfan said:

The current roster only has one player, McKenzie, that is ANY threat to outrun or take it to the house. While the WR group is strong YAC are low. Some of it could be due to the lack of crossing patterns the Bills ran this year. However, speed at RB and WR is lacking. Lastly, we finally have a QB that can throw the ball. We could “use” an infusion of speed on offense however, scoring hasn’t been our issue.  We NEED a difference maker at DE, an impactful LB and another top CB.  Offense needs a stronger IOL and a running back that is a better runner than our QB. 

 

IMO, I want Beane to be aggressive this offseason and get some difference makers. Make some deals, trade for some proven talent or FA’s and then supplement remaining lower needs in the draft. This is a huge offseason for the Bills if they want to hoist a SB trophy.  Please don’t stand idle. 

Diggs and Davis can’t outrun anyone? I saw plenty plays over the past 2 seasons that contradicts this!

[PetermansRedemption]

5 hours ago, Mopreme said:

How was Tyreek Hill a 5th round pick? 

Because he’s a dog ***** level human being 

[Protocal69]

5 hours ago, Mopreme said:

How was Tyreek Hill a 5th round pick? 

Domestic assault conviction

Stillwater police records indicate that on December 12, 2014, Hill was arrested on complaints of assault of his 20-year-old pregnant girlfriend, Crystal Espinal. The police report states that the two got into an argument and he threw her around "like a ragdoll", punched her in the face, sat on her and repeatedly punched her in the stomach, and choked her.[94] Oklahoma State dismissed him from the football team after the charges.[95]

Hill eventually pleaded guilty to domestic assault and battery by strangulation and was sentenced to three years of probation, an anger-management course, a year-long batterer's program, and was required to undergo a domestic-abuse evaluation, a sentence that Espinal was consulted about and said she was comfortable with.[24][96] Espinal eventually gave birth to a boy.[21][97]

Edited January 28, 2022 by Protocal69