Anyone get the feeling there is genuine dislike between McDermott and Hoodie?

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

I think there is genuine respect.  I also think BB just got his butt handed to him. 

 

He also had a stark realization that aside from getting Brady back, or tornado winds that he has no answers for our QB.   Josh Allen pretty much showed the entire world that the Hoodie is a creation of Brady.  That said, Id say he was a bit cranky after the game.

 

If Brady loses today to the Eagles, then it might all be even....I always believe Both Bill and Brady were together responsible for the dynasty.  Brady's team in Tampa is loaded and yet they have lost 5 games this season (and almost lost a sixth to us).

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

I think there is genuine respect.  I also think BB just got his butt handed to him. 

 

He also had a stark realization that aside from getting Brady back, or tornado winds that he has no answers for our QB.   Josh Allen pretty much showed the entire world that the Hoodie is a creation of Brady.  That said, Id say he was a bit cranky after the game.

 

If Brady loses today to the Eagles, then it might all be even....I always believe Both Bill and Brady were together responsible for the dynasty.  Brady's team in Tampa is loaded and yet they have lost 5 games this season (and almost lost a sixth to us).

[John from Riverside]

They certainly didn’t have a lot to say to each other after the game yesterday BB murmured something to our coach and then he was off

[That's No Moon]

1 hour ago, BRH said:

I’ve seen more than a few bitter Pats fans complain about us running up the score last night. Delicious irony. 

11/28/2007 Pats 56 Bills 10. Pats throwing deep passes long after the game was decided. Karma is a B word Bill. It all comes back around.

 

Go find the quotes from them that season that were to the effect of if you don't like it, stop it. 

 

Every single one of them can kiss my furry behind.

[That's No Moon]

24 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

His presser after the game was unlike anything he has ever done. He was wearing the defeat

He and junior put the defense together. Defense is bill's pride and joy and they got curb stomped. Again. They had NO answers. There is nobody else for bill to blame other than himself and his kid. They got utterly destroyed and it's his gameplan that got destroyed. If the DC was anyone else but Steve they'd be getting fired today.

[Deep Voice]

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

PEDAL TO THE METAL for 59 minutes 

 

late edit Without cheating!

 

 

YEAH

[GaryPinC]

Belichick just got his ass handed to him in a historic way.  If it happened to McD would you prefer he be all Dick Jauron gracious about it or so incensed he's a bit of an ahole for a while?  I like a coach who takes it personal because that fire's going to burn for improvement.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

4 minutes ago, Deep Voice said:

 

YEAH

DEEP, are you pumped up about the win?

[Sweats]

I hope they hate each other..........that's a rivalry, folks and we haven't had many of those since the early 90's, where the Bills hated the Fins, the Jets, the Colts, the Broncos, the Cowboys, etc.

 

I love it.

[wjag]

15 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

11/28/2007 Pats 56 Bills 10. Pats throwing deep passes long after the game was decided. Karma is a B word Bill. It all comes back around.

 

Go find the quotes from them that season that were to the effect of if you don't like it, stop it. 

 

Every single one of them can kiss my furry behind.

This Is THE ONE that sticks in my craw.  Randy Moss and Tom Brady we’re openly mocking us in that game.  I thought last year’s MNF beat down settled that score. But I was wrong.  This one did.  Folks will now start talking about how Allen owns them.  

[billsbackto81]

It was quite the awkward exchange at the end. BB looked very short with McD almost like he didn't want to acknowledge him as a good HC. 

[That's No Moon]

3 minutes ago, wjag said:

This Is THE ONE that sticks in my craw.  Randy Moss and Tom Brady we’re openly mocking us in that game.  I thought last year’s MNF beat down settled that score. But I was wrong.  This one did.  Folks will now start talking about how Allen owns them.  

That score won't be settled for a long time. We could thrash them like that for a decade and it's still going to aggravate me.

 

Marv Levy owned Don Shula and we beat Miami in every important game from 1987 until Shula retired and I still hated his ass.

 

Crap on New England every single chance you get for the rest of time for the BS they pulled and got away with for so long.

Edited January 16, 2022 by That's No Moon

[thenorthremembers]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

If Brady loses today to the Eagles, then it might all be even....I always believe Both Bill and Brady were together responsible for the dynasty.  Brady's team in Tampa is loaded and yet they have lost 5 games this season (and almost lost a sixth to us).

If Brady loses today to the Eagles, then it might all be even....I always believe Both Bill and Brady were together responsible for the dynasty.  Brady's team in Tampa is loaded and yet they have lost 5 games this season (and almost lost a sixth to us).

Brady won a Super Bowl without him.  Belichick's career record without Brady is similar to Rex Ryan's.  He was also on his way out in New England when Bledsoe's insides blew up and Tom Brady saved his coaching career.   It wasn't both Bill and Brady.   I think its time people start to recognize Brady's greatness.  He may be the greatest player in any sport all time.

[Motorin']

3 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

Bellicheat looked down and defeated in his presser ….. you do have to wonder how long he continues to coach …. I give him one more season before he calls it quits… McDaniel is already chosen as the successor.

 

He was even dressed for a funeral in his shirt and tie!

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

BUT does Kraft want him back? 🤔 

 

Who wanted to get rid of Tammy and Jimmy G?

 

Who spent $160 Mil plus on the Defense?

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32167432/will-new-england-patriots-see-results-spending-163-million-free-agency?platform=amp
 

The Patriots guaranteed $163 million in unrestricted free agency, which owner Robert Kraft has acknowledged is risky business

[Cheektowaga Chad]

2 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

He and junior put the defense together. Defense is bill's pride and joy and they got curb stomped. Again. They had NO answers. There is nobody else for bill to blame other than himself and his kid. They got utterly destroyed and it's his gameplan that got destroyed. If the DC was anyone else but Steve they'd be getting fired today.

Hadn't really thought of it this way

 

Got to be an interesting dynamic 

[Billy Claude]

He needs to get fire his son.   Has there ever been a good outcome when a coach put their kid/brother on the staff?

[GETTOTHE50]

I hate to say this, for as terrible as that wind game was, we may have needed it.

 

it brought out emotions from McD that were needed for the first time this season. Can’t believe it took him that long to get locked in like he did, bc his post game conferences after losses till then were very mopey 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

The Genius Bill Belicheat has to live with being the coach that was on the losing side of The Perfect Game!

 

 

Quote

Until Saturday night, no team in NFL history had played a game with no field goals, turnovers, or punts. And here are a few more fun facts: the Bills converted six of their seven third downs, with the seventh being the final kneel down of the game. They gained yards on 49 of 51 plays, with the only negative yardage plays being the kneel downs. 

 

[sherpa]

2 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

He and junior put the defense together. Defense is bill's pride and joy and they got curb stomped. Again. They had NO answers. There is nobody else for bill to blame other than himself and his kid. They got utterly destroyed and it's his gameplan that got destroyed. If the DC was anyone else but Steve they'd be getting fired today.

 

I don't think this is complicated.

I posted something similar earlier in the week.

 

The Bills have studied the Pats as much as any team in the league, and they figured out that the Bills offense is much faster than the Pats back seven defense.

If they don't get to Josh, the Bills speed is going to win far more often than not, and the ball will be completed.

 

Scheme aside. If you can't cover someone because they are considerably faster than you, you either must get to the QB or you are roasted.

 

The Pats very very well coached and disciplined.

But.......THEY ARE SLOW.

[Nextmanup]

5 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

I’m sure they where both freezing and wanted to get off the field but it does seem even after Sean’s comments in the wind game these two guys don’t particularly like one another.

 

YES. I wrote about that in detail somewhere on this board last night, not sure where.

 

BB totally minimized the loss best he could in his post game PC; Sean McDermott totally minimized the win "no big deal, just 1 game, more to do" in his PC...

 

And their post-game "hand shake moment" was a virtual flyby in which BB MAYBE said "Congratulations" and keep walking...he never really stopped walking...and he looked away quickly.

 

I would go so far to say THEY HATE EACH OTHER.

 

GOOD!  

 

This is the stuff of rivalries.

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said:

BB was a real jerk after the game.  McDermott was clearly trying to speak to him and BB just keeps walking and doesn't look back.

 

Agreed.  When McDermott said "don't give so much credit to BB, he didn't play" I thought there is no live liss there.

 

But the end result was awesome!

 

What a way to end the Pats season!

I didnt see anything egregious there 

[longtimebillsfan]

11 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I didnt see anything egregious there 

Watch it again.  It was obvious.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Just now, longtimebillsfan said:

Watch it again.  It was obvious.

Just did… didn’t see anything terrible. We all know he’s a man of few words after a loss

[ColoradoBills]

47 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

BUT does Kraft want him back? 🤔 

Who wanted to get rid of Tammy and Jimmy G?

Who spent $160 Mil plus on the Defense?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32167432/will-new-england-patriots-see-results-spending-163-million-free-agency?platform=amp

The Patriots guaranteed $163 million in unrestricted free agency, which owner Robert Kraft has acknowledged is risky business

 

Well he is going to have to spend a lot more this off season.  He's got $27M as of now.

 

Free Agents he needs to sign and/or replace.

JC Jackson - Big money and may want to move on.

Devin McCourty

Dont'a Hightower

Ted Karras

Jacobi Meyers

....to name a few.

 

I keep saying he will want to go all in with money and picks next year.

He may leave New England a "scorched earth" when he is done.

 

 

 

[That's No Moon]

41 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

I hate to say this, for as terrible as that wind game was, we may have needed it.

 

it brought out emotions from McD that were needed for the first time this season. Can’t believe it took him that long to get locked in like he did, bc his post game conferences after losses till then were very mopey 

The wind game is also the game where BB told the world he didn't trust his quarterback. Yeah they won that game, but how'd it go after that?

[Bermuda Triangle]

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Well he is going to have to spend a lot more this off season.  He's got $27M as of now.

 

Free Agents he needs to sign and/or replace.

JC Jackson - Big money and may want to move on.

Devin McCourty

Dont'a Hightower

Ted Karras

Jacobi Meyers

....to name a few.

 

I keep saying he will want to go all in with money and picks next year.

He may leave New England a "scorched earth" when he is done.

 

 

 

Go for it - his drafts and free agent signings have pretty much sucked.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, BritBill said:

It was only last season (when Bills hammered them in Foxborough) Belechick spent more time speaking to McDermott after a game than he has with any other coach ever.

 

Maybe now it’s clear the rabbit has the gun he might be a little more reluctant to give McD time. 

 

Yea. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was just cold, upset and wanted to get in last night. Last year he definitely took the team in Gillette to embrace and congratulate McDermott. He did make a point in his perfunctory presser of saying the Bills were "very well coached"

[london_bills]

5 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said:

BB was a real jerk after the game.  McDermott was clearly trying to speak to him and BB just keeps walking and doesn't look back.

 

Agreed.  When McDermott said "don't give so much credit to BB, he didn't play" I thought there is no live liss there.

 

But the end result was awesome!

 

What a way to end the Pats season!

Belichek was humiliated

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

Yeah, there was nothing to see here on the egregious side of things.

 

Plenty of coaches thru plenty of decades have met for less time at mid field after a game.

 

This is also … just a pony show anyway.  You have players and coaches who meet after the game away from the media in private to.

[bigduke6]

i dont really care for Belichick,   is he a great coach or did he cheat his way there through the rough times and eventually put together a well oiled machine that didnt need the "extra" help?   where theres smoke,  theres usually fire,  and much more that hasnt been uncovered imo.

 

he was crap b4 Brady,   hasnt been much better post Brady.

 

my take away from watching Bill not really want to talk to McD is,    hey gratz u won,  u lucked into a generational talent,  i had one,  owned your current team for 2 decades,  now i dont,  and i dont know if i have enough time to groom this current guy into a servicable winner before i decide to retire.  GG i guess.   gl with Mahomes.

 

nobody likes to lose,  and the guys who rarely lose,  hate it even more.    lets face facts here,  Bill wouldnt need to be meeting McD as the loser if Brady hadnt left,  and our Bills were still trotting out guys like Tyrod,  or Nate,  or, etc etc.   We are very fortunate that Josh has worked out,  nobody really knew what we were getting on draft day,  u never truly know.

 

Bill definitely respects Josh's talent tho,  hes shown it,  and actually verbally acknowledged it on more than one occasion.    the thing is tho,  Josh is a player,  McD, is a peer as a coach,   people treat others differently depending on their job titles.

 

i imagine that Bill is cordial enough with most people post season,  including McD.   not during the season tho, and especially not after a loss that crushing.

Edited January 16, 2022 by bigduke6

[stevewin]

4 hours ago, Steptide said:

McDermott down plays it, but he's probably sick of hearing about Belichick and the Patriots since he's been hired here. Add to that, that he knows how the pats owned us for 20 straight years. So Ya, he probably wants to hand them their a$$ any time he can 

Absolutely love the way McD has handled the situation.  Even his first year you could tell he wasn't about the "kiss the rings", but unlike Rex he kept that fire internal and externally said the right boring things.  The exception being the way-overblown comment after the hurricane game where he wasnt about to call Bellicheat a genius just because the Bills didn't capitalize on so many chances to put the game away.  There's never been fear or worship - i like to believe he feels like a lot of us do about Bellicheat - F him - his time is done. 

Edited January 16, 2022 by stevewin

[longtimebillsfan]

10 hours ago, london_bills said:

Belichek was humiliated

Good.  We are condoning BB bad behavior?

Edited January 17, 2022 by longtimebillsfan

[LABILLBACKER]

Last I checked Belicheat showed us no quarter for 20 years. He ran the score up constantly. I also know Sean is well aware of that history. I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for Navy boy. He's got enough semi legitimate rings to keep him warm. Your AFCE dominance is over for good.

[Gugny]

15 hours ago, Rico said:

Bills humiliated Shula in his last game as HC. Hoodie should also do the right thing and walk away.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199512300buf.htm

 

Bernie Kosar had a 100% completion percentage in that game.

 

[Haslett_Stomp]

14 hours ago, Simon said:

It's either McDermott, Daboll or both of them.

That late endzone shot to Knox off playaction on the first play of the drive followed immediately by the tackle eligible TD was a pretty serious FU.

 

I was in a group text with some friends from high school and said the same thing.

[Sherlock Holmes]

McD should've slapped the Bildo into Belicheat's hand during post game handshakes...🤣

Edited January 17, 2022 by Sherlock Holmes

[london_bills]

25 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Good.  We are condoning BB bad behavior?

Being a sore loser has never been for me, I always see it as childish. My point is that you can tell the beating got to him and he couldn't hide it. 

[Richard Noggin]

16 hours ago, wjag said:

I think NFL coaches end of game persona should not be judged in the moment.  Coaches hate losing.  Coaches hate being embarrassed.  But they are in a small fraternity with a very short shelf life for many.  I think they respect each other.  They know how much time and effort is expended each week to put that product on the field.  We fans can't begin to appreciate the time, effort and stress they are under.  And it's a billion times worse now with the internet and electronic media that is out there now judging your every facial expression.

I strongly disagree with the bolded. Belichick (and Brady, because eff him) have shown to be both sore losers AND sore winners (used to run up the score relentlessly back in the day, plus their post-game lack of sportsmanship is well-documented).

 

How the LEADER of a multi-billion dollar sports franchise conducts himself following wins AND losses matters tremendously to the culture surrounding the NFL. You just know their "alleged" legacy of subversion and "competitive advantage" has merit when they reveal themselves incapable of handling defeats with any modicum of class or maturity. They truly don't believe they should ever lose, based in part on their pervasive campaigns of finding every possible competitive edge, rules be damned. Toxic competitiveness is a thing. Which is why rules and regulations, and enforcement, are so essential. 

 

I should also stress: I think Belichick is the best defensive mind in NFL history, and truly does respect the sport on a macro-level. I generally find his curmudgeonly act to be amusing. But make no mistake, he's a ruthless doosh whose hatred for losing can rob the sport of its joy.

Edited January 17, 2022 by Richard Noggin

[Chandler#81]

12 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

YES. I wrote about that in detail somewhere on this board last night, not sure where.

 

BB totally minimized the loss best he could in his post game PC; Sean McDermott totally minimized the win "no big deal, just 1 game, more to do" in his PC...

 

And their post-game "hand shake moment" was a virtual flyby in which BB MAYBE said "Congratulations" and keep walking...he never really stopped walking...and he looked away quickly.

 

I would go so far to say THEY HATE EACH OTHER.

 

GOOD!  

 

This is the stuff of rivalries.

 

 

Well, yeah.. but what the camera didn’t show was Sean pissing on Bills’ leg as he walked past. So…

[longtimebillsfan]

1 hour ago, london_bills said:

Being a sore loser has never been for me, I always see it as childish. My point is that you can tell the beating got to him and he couldn't hide it. 

Fair point.