Panthers Willing to Listen to Offers for McCaffrey

[BuffaloRebound]

2 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

I'm not DeShawn Watson He won't be allowed in my business...

His contract is too rich, especially for a guy who can’t stay on the field.  Not gonna happen.  Spend the money on the OL or another Tight End. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

7 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

On one hand it's easy to say no thank to any more Panther cast offs, but McCaffrey certainly is a special talent but he's damaged good at this point.

 

So any trade would have to be conditional in playing time/staying healthy, etc. Maybe something like a 4th rounder that could turn as high as a 2nd.

 

6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Offer is a Conditional 4th that can go to 2nd based on incentives (one including availability). 

Easy, conditional if McCaffrey hits 1000 yard season both combined passing and rushing of course! Maybe 10 TDs added for a higher pick! Also contract incentives including 2 million per TD pass to Josh Allen

 

2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

His contract is too rich, especially for a guy who can’t stay on the field.  Not gonna happen.  Spend the money on the OL or another Tight End. 

Do you know how many injured players came back and had uninjured careers? Tons!

Edited January 7, 2022 by Sherlock Holmes

[Freddie's Dead]

GIT 'R' DUNNNN!!!!!

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

 

Easy, conditional if McCaffrey hits 1000 yard season both combined passing and rushing of course! Maybe 10 TDs added for a higher pick!

 

That was my first thinking. Have to look at his contract that might change my idea. But gut says I would do that. 
 

edit I think I would do it even with the contract. As that signing and restructure bonus falls off. 
 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/christian-mccaffrey-21749/

Edited January 7, 2022 by MAJBobby

[colin]

assuming it fits contract wise and not too much in terms of trade cost, i'd totally want him on our team.  an extra weapon like that with our new WR rental leaving this offseason would be a big get.

 

11 personnel with him, bease, diggs, davis, and knox is a nightmare for opponents. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

 Spend the money on...another Tight End. 

Would everyone quit pandering to Sherlock Holmes!!! 😠

[bigK14094]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Beane, get 'er done!

 

 

Noooooooo......

[RoyBatty is alive]

Too expensive and too injury prone.

[Nuncha]

Pass

 

I wouldn't draft him for fantasy football, let alone pay him that salary to be hurt.

[BADOLBILZ]

7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

That was my first thinking. Have to look at his contract that might change my idea. But gut says I would do that. 
 

edit I think I would do it even with the contract. As that signing and restructure bonus falls off. 
 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/christian-mccaffrey-21749/

 

Can't justify that money for a high mileage RB...........but if he can be pieced back together he could be a great "slot" type receiver(I'd actually still align him in the backfield mostly for the clean releases).

 

Then that money........and the idea of a 2023 conditional second round  pick.......... becomes more palatable.

[BuffaloRebound]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Can't justify that money for a high mileage RB...........but if he can be pieced back together he could be a great "slot" type receiver(I'd actually still align him in the backfield mostly for the clean releases).

 

Then that money........and the idea of a 2023 conditional second round  pick.......... becomes more palatable.

Interesting.  I could sign up for that.  A beasley replacement who’s more versatile and better after the catch,  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

if they worded it as 'willing to listen to offers' its pretty clear the panthers are going to ask for way too much to actually get a deal done

[entropyrules]

but would you take him if the Bills ate the salary but the Panthers threw in a first round pick

 

I'd probably still pass if I were the Bills.....but it would be a great deal for a team, like the Dolphins that have plenty of cap room

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

Contract cost would require some difficult and unwise roster decisions.  CMC is a great player but the injury history isn't worth it.  There are always some good RB values in the draft.  I can't picture Beane blowing up the his cap planning to acquire CMC.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

22 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

His contract is too rich, especially for a guy who can’t stay on the field.  Not gonna happen.  Spend the money on the OL or another Tight End. 

 

It turns into basically 2 years 20.2 M with 2 additional years at a total of 23.8 with some throw in workout bonuses.  A lot for a running back, but a lot less than the 4yr 64m that they gave him.  

 

If you figure patterson and edmunds are looking for the 7-9M range his cap hit of like 8+ in 2022 is pretty reasonable.  You could cut beasley and re-up mckenzie for some cost savings to make it work.  He's not a straight slot WR like bease by any means, but you can absolutely use him split out as a weapon and challenging matchup for LBs.  

 

Obviously availability is an issue - but he would not be getting 400 touches most likely.  Figure a chunk of beasley's that don't go to mckenzie, and the majority of RB targets.  Figure 80 current running back targets, he'd get say 60 - and of beaselys 107 he might get another 50.  Buffalo's leading rusher only has 170 carries, and it moss/breida adds another 120 or so.  Take that 290 + some of allens and you have maybe 350 total carries to go around.  I'd like probably like him to get like half of them.  He'd be ideally more Ekeler or Kamara - not taylor/henry.  

 

All of this would be highly dependent on asking price, and how his physical goes.

[Alphadawg7]

Guys like Fred Taylor, Frank Gore, Matthew Stafford, etc were all once labeled injury prone with a bunch of injuries in a short window.  They went on to prove to be able to say healthy rest of their careers.  So I dont like writing guys off due to injuries if they didn't have injury problems prior.  And EMC has had a healthy college and early career, so I wouldn't just dismiss his ability to stay healthy yet.  Sometimes injuries are just a slew of bad luck.  

 

That being said, his recent bout with injuries must still be factored in and considered.  If Bills can swing a trade and a reworked contract then I could get behind this.  

 

But compensation on the trade would have to be reasonable and there would have to be some kind new deal involved.  Maybe we can package Moss and a mid round pick or something.  

 

Not sure EMC is going to have a big market with the injury bug and contract.  

[brianthomas]

if we can get CMC for a 4th rd pick & salary retained then sure, get er done Beane.

Anything more than that tho, with his injury history & salary, no thanks

[JoshAllin]

Don't need him, plenty of other backs out there if anything, for cheap also and that won't get hurt

Edited January 7, 2022 by motorj

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Beane would do well not to trade for players who touched the ball 400 times in a season then immediately started breaking down.

[HOUSE]

A GM who won't listen should be fired

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

3 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I remember when RBs had trade value.  When we traded away a used-up Simpson in 1978, we got:

 

1978 2nd round draft pick (DE Scott Hutchinson)

1978 3rd round pick (WR Danny Fulton)

1979 1st round pick (LB Tom Cousineau)

1979 4th round pick (DE Ken Johnson)  (aka Pinto Ron)

1980 2nd round pick (RB Joe Cribbs)

 

What a great trade for the Bills!  Joe Cribbs was a really talented multipurpose back for us.  And, of course, Cousineau turned into Jim Kelly.

 

Obviously, there's a durability issue but it's amazing you could potentially get someone of McCaffrey's talent for a 2nd rounder.  Though I wouldn't want his contract.

 

 

 

 

 

 

“Steam Machine” Fulton !!

[Kenosha2Buffalo]

Hard pass , singletary has played exceptionally well lately. Mix in Christians  injury history and potential cost, no way in hell. 

[gonzo1105]

The Bills will have the draft capital this year to make a move like this if they want. If not McCaffrey than Barkley or an OL that’s on the outs. 
 

There is no way the Panthers give him up for a 4th tho like some are suggesting, just to save face. 
 

My guess is if you see him moved a Conditional 3rd(turns into a 2) a 4th and a late pick 

[RobbRiddick]

They need the cap room to extend Darnold with a new 250m dollar contract

[John from Riverside]

Dude.....

[Mango]

I’m more interested in him as a FA at this point. He’s got like $60M left in cap hit left and has played like 6 games that last 2 seasons. 

[HOUSE]

Let me add this to my list of "For Sure Trades"

 

I had 18 players listed last year

 

 

 

 

Edited January 7, 2022 by HOUSE

[djp14150]

4 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I remember when RBs had trade value.  When we traded away a used-up Simpson in 1978, we got:

 

1978 2nd round draft pick (DE Scott Hutchinson)

1978 3rd round pick (WR Danny Fulton)

1979 1st round pick (LB Tom Cousineau)

1979 4th round pick (DE Ken Johnson)  (aka Pinto Ron)

1980 2nd round pick (RB Joe Cribbs)

 

What a great trade for the Bills!  Joe Cribbs was a really talented multipurpose back for us.  And, of course, Cousineau turned into Jim Kelly.

 

Obviously, there's a durability issue but it's amazing you could potentially get someone of McCaffrey's talent for a 2nd rounder.  Though I wouldn't want his contract.

 

 

 

 

 Trades….

Then there was Dickerson and Herschel walker

[1ManRaid]

Oh god no, the random monthly threads to trade for CMC/Barkley were bad enough, now there's "rumors" to fuel them again...

[Utah John]

No.  The Panthers made a huge mistake re-signing CMC to such a big contract, and no one is going to bail them out.  

[Sherlock Holmes]

5 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

No!  We don't need to hear anything about you, McCaffrey, and the 'Mile High Club'. 🤨

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He'll probably get injured walking off the guddam plane. 😠

Do you guys know how many people have had crazy injuries and come back to play at a Hall of Fame level? TONS!!! Including McCaffrey for the Bills... 

Guys, I only have such vomit in my body...please stop with all the negative McCaffrey hot takes, all we need now is someone to explain how his body is roid infested and will never be the same again

[Utah John]

2 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Do you guys know how many people have had crazy injuries and come back to play at a Hall of Fame level? TONS!!! Including McCaffrey for the Bills... 

Not many RBs make it back and resume playing at a top level.  Gale Sayers came back but wasn't as good.  OJ was never the same after his 1977 injury.  

 

The biggest consideration however is the salary cap.  Beane's success comes from avoiding expensive long-term commitments, Josh the obvious and necessary exception.  

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

He'll be a Chief or Patriot soon probably.

[Punching Bag]

5 hours ago, Olliemets said:

Pass. The guy NEVER plays. Always hurt.

 

 

He played 58 games.  I do not think you know what that word means.

 

 

 

[TBBills]

He will have a short lived career and in a few years he will be another guy who could have been great if he just stayed healthy.

9 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

He played 58 games.  I do not think you know what that word means.

 

 

 

He has missed 23 games since 2020... his health is getting worse. His best years are already behind him.

[TBBills]

46 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Do you guys know how many people have had crazy injuries and come back to play at a Hall of Fame level? TONS!!! Including McCaffrey for the Bills... 

Guys, I only have such vomit in my body...please stop with all the negative McCaffrey hot takes, all we need now is someone to explain how his body is roid infested and will never be the same again

He has lingering issues that never go away for the type of player he is and it's only getting worse each and every season.

[Real McClappy]

43 minutes ago, Utah John said:

Not many RBs make it back and resume playing at a top level.  Gale Sayers came back but wasn't as good.  OJ was never the same after his 1977 injury.  

 

The biggest consideration however is the salary cap.  Beane's success comes from avoiding expensive long-term commitments, Josh the obvious and necessary exception.  

Comparing injuries 50 years ago versus today doesn't work with how much medical science has changed. Heck 30-40 years ago a torn ACL was a career ending injury and now it's almost the norm at this phase.  CMC is 25yrs old and had a rough couple years, the dude is a flat out baller. I'd have no prob with a cap restructure and giving up a 3rd.

 

Here's his (minor) injury history

 

Oct 8, 2016 - Non NFL - Inguinal Hip Pull - McCaffrey missed 1 game (vs. Notre Dame).

Sep 20, 2020 - Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 - McCaffrey suffered a right high-ankle sprain during Week 2's loss to the Buccaneers and missed six games

Nov 8, 2020 - Shoulder A/C Joint Sprain - McCaffrey injured his shoulder on the last drive of Week 9's loss to the Chiefs. He missed 4 games

Dec 9, 2020 - Thigh Glute Strain - McCaffrey's thigh tightened up ahead of Week 14 game. He missed 4 games due to that injury.

Sep 23, 2021 - Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 - McCaffrey suffered a strained hamstring in Week 3's Panthers win over the Texans. He missed five games.

Nov 28, 2021- Pedal Ankle Sprain Grade 2 - McCaffrey rolled his left ankle in Week 12's loss to the Dolphins. He was placed on injured reserve Monday and has been ruled out for the remainder of the season.

 

Source - https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/christian-mccaffrey/7750

Edited January 8, 2022 by Real McNasty
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[TBBills]

2 minutes ago, Real McNasty said:

Comparing injuries 50 years ago versus today doesn't work with how much medical science has changed. Heck 30-40 years ago a torn ACL was a career ending injury and now it's almost the norm at this phase.  CMC is 25yrs old and had a rough couple years, the dude is a flat out baller. I'd have no prob with a cap restructure and giving up a 3rd.

 

Here's his (minor) injury history

 

Oct 8, 2016 - Non NFL - Inguinal Hip Pull - McCaffrey missed 1 game (vs. Notre Dame).

Sep 20, 2020 - Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 - McCaffrey suffered a right high-ankle sprain during Week 2's loss to the Buccaneers and missed six games

Nov 8, 2020 - Shoulder A/C Joint Sprain - McCaffrey injured his shoulder on the last drive of Week 9's loss to the Chiefs. He missed 4 games

Dec 9, 2020 - Thigh Glute Strain - McCaffrey's thigh tightened up ahead of Week 14 game. He missed 4 games due to that injury.

Sep 23, 2021 - Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 - McCaffrey suffered a strained hamstring in Week 3's Panthers win over the Texans. He missed five games.

Nov 28, 2021- Pedal Ankle Sprain Grade 2 - McCaffrey rolled his left ankle in Week 12's loss to the Dolphins. He was placed on injured reserve Monday and has been ruled out for the remainder of the season.

 

Source - https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/christian-mccaffrey/7750

Constant minor injuries are actually worse then 1 major one.

[Real McClappy]

1 minute ago, TBBills said:

Constant minor injuries are actually worse then 1 major one.

His injuries are all different. People need to give the lingering issues a break. He was healthy in college and all his injuries the last couple years are called bad luck. 

 

He's 25 yrs old and will be fine.

 

[HamSandwhich]

4 hours ago, Azucho98 said:

Pass

 

I wouldn't draft him for fantasy football, let alone pay him that salary to be hurt.

Everyone laughed when I had the first pick in the draft and I chose Henry first. Was going so well too…