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[longtimebillsfan]

46 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Ok but you listed the Titans as a team that slowed our offense down.  They didn't.  I was correcting you.

We didn't score enough to win, but you're right, in the Titan game the defense broke down. 

[Ghost_002!]

3 hours ago, streetkings01 said:

Don’t watch the GMF segment about the upcoming game.

 

They showed just about every negative play of ours this season. Brought up Belichick’s dominance of McDermott without bringing up Brady at. Brought up how nobody runs against the Patriots without bringing up how the Titans just ran for almost 300 yards a week ago.

 

If Bills play a clean game they win this game by 10+ points.

 

 

After i read this post, i actually went back and watched that segment. That was not at all how it went down. They were being realistic about the game and the state of each team at the current moment. Michael Robinson said he was still riding with the bills, that just Josh Allen had to stop throwing picks and take what the defense gives him..something all young QBs don't do (funny that is what Mac Jones does, but gets kill for it) The other host, Peter Schrager was just making a statement saying if have to beat the Pats to end all of this... 

Edited December 1, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[BuffaloBillyG]

11 minutes ago, Logic said:

To be fair, I think Beane figured that re-signing Williams and Feliciano WAS "sinking some real money into the offensive line" in a productive way. Williams was very good at right tackle last year. Feliciano was just average. Nevertheless, with these two on board last year, the Bills offense was lights out. 

I certainly don't think Beane expected Williams' play to drop off so drastically or for Feliciano to report to camp 20 lbs lighter without consulting the training staff about it.

I, too, wish they had addressed the guard positions in a more meaningful way -- specifically, with draft picks. Many on these forums wish the same thing. Still, some of the drop-off in level of o-line play (Williams, Feliciano) was difficult to foresee, and it's not as if they haven't made an effort at all. 

All of that said, I hope they pour serious draft capital and/or free agency dollars into the interior o-line this offseason. The tackle and center spots are fine, but they need to do everything in their power to improve at guard. Enough of this "throw mediocre players at a wall and see what sticks" strategy.

Agree with most of his. However with the way Dawkins has played we really need some insurance for him. Of course I am not aware if his decline is truly COVID related and what lingering issues there may or may not be...but I will say this. I caught it 2 years ago and suffer from COVID lung. I still haven't recovered fully. Not sure if it ever goes away. Can't even go grocery shopping without fatigue...and pre COVID I was a runner. 

 

In this day and age teams need to do whatever they can to see the unseeable. Plan for scenarios that many never happen. I believe that was a part of the reasoning they signed Trubisky.

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

After i read this post, i actually went back and watched that segment. That was not at all how it went down. They were being realistic about the game and the state of each team at the current moment. Michael Robinson said he was still riding with the bills, that just Josh Allen had to stop throwing picks and take what the defense gives him..something all young QBs don't do (funny that is what Mac Jones does, but gets kill for it) The other host, Peter Schrager was just making a statement saying just beat the Pats and end all of this... 

I haven't been watching the sports' shows much. This take is reasonably fair, if correct. I don't think Mac Jones has the option of not taking what the defense gives him. Intelligent game manager is what he is. If he is asked to make the wow plays, more often than not I suspect he will fail.

[Nitro]

11 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

After i read this post, i actually went back and watched that segment. That was not at all how it went down. They were being realistic about the game and the state of each team at the current moment. Michael Robinson said he was still riding with the bills, that just Josh Allen had to stop throwing picks and take what the defense gives him..something all young QBs don't do (funny that is what Mac Jones does, but gets kill for it) The other host, Peter Schrager was just making a statement saying if have to beat the Pats to end all of this... 

I found it to be even handed and an honest assessment of the game.  Since beating KC the team has been unpredictable.  Correct the problems and start winning. 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

I am pretty amped up for this game. 

 

I feel like Mcd referencing the "1st place Pats" means they are locked in and loaded. This will be a KC game like effort. The Bills know they can't keep up the win one, lose one back and forth ride  into December.  

 

The Media is definitely riding the Patriots hard. The MAC love fest is in full bloom. . Belichick is no fool, when asked after last weeks Win - he referenced his answer along the lines of get back to me after Monday Night. I imagine in his mind this game will tell a lot to how far his team has come. 

 

We got some guys coming back which should help our lines get back to being really physical. 

 

One team is going to make a statement Monday Night. I am feeling great we will be that team. 

 

 

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

39 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

 

The media messaging here is a PR clinic. If the Pats win, the evil empire is back.  If they lose, bust out your fraud narratives for the NFLs most hated team. It's a win-win for the talking heads and click chasers.

 

 

No, they'll just wait for the 2nd matchup if the Pats lose and blame loss on Bills Mafia and home field advantage

[Son of a K-Gun]

24 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I dont need that. Its become my morning go-to based on even and fair coverage over the years with some good entertainment mixed in. The last couple weeks from them and every other outlet has been downright silly.

 

Their breakdown of the matchup this morning was embarrassing. It was literally 5 minutes of all the the things the Pats can do well and how the Bills(when they actually took 10 seconds to mention them) stand no shot because they suck at running the football. And it ended with Schrager chiming in that the Pats could run the division again for 20 more years.  it was ridiculous. 

They also went on ad nauseum about the Patriots running game and the Bills lack thereof.  The Patriots are 12th in the league in rushing yards per game, right behind the Bills at 11.  Kay mentioned how bad the Bills running game is if you take away Josh Allen's rushing totals...okay fair point, but nobody talks about the Ravens rushing totals if you take away Lamar's numbers. 

It's just such a spin game and the media is playing everything into their narrative.  It is frustrating because as a Bills fan you can see the holes in their analysis, but it isn't like this team hasn't been overlooked before so we should be used to it.

[97bills]

29 minutes ago, Logic said:

While it's more than fair to be critical of the Bills' coaches this year, I disagree with this statement.

The second Dolphins game and the Saints game stand out as games where halftime adjustments were clearly made, and were effective. 

They have been outcoached and out-schemed at times this year, I won't deny that. But they're not suddenly terrible, and they don't "make zero halftime adjustments". For all the hand wringing on here, the offense and defense are still above average in most categories, and the Bills are still 7-4 (not 2-9, like one would think based on some of the comments around here).

Ok maybe 0 was to harsh, but there’s been way more times in the first half we’re Allen has been in shotgun trying to throw the ball all over the field. And have picks or fumbles and bad sacks and just try to come back after halftime and do the same thing. 

[Solomon Grundy]

17 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Agree with most of his. However with the way Dawkins has played we really need some insurance for him. Of course I am not aware if his decline is truly COVID related and what lingering issues there may or may not be...but I will say this. I caught it 2 years ago and suffer from COVID lung. I still haven't recovered fully. Not sure if it ever goes away. Can't even go grocery shopping without fatigue...and pre COVID I was a runner. 

 

In this day and age teams need to do whatever they can to see the unseeable. Plan for scenarios that many never happen. I believe that was a part of the reasoning they signed Trubisky.

I agree. This is why I hope the Bills use their first two picks on Trevor Penning and Breece Hall. Let Penning and Dawkins fight it out for starting LT. Loser goes to guard

[Ghost_002!]

20 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I haven't been watching the sports' shows much. This take is reasonably fair, if correct. I don't think Mac Jones has the option of not taking what the defense gives him. Intelligent game manager is what he is. If he is asked to make the wow plays, more often than not I suspect he will fail.

 

 

Yea. This is not college anymore. Those windows close up quick in the NFL. I honestly do not understand why more coaches do not have their young QBs take it slower. 

[TheBeaneBandit]

10 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I agree. This is why I hope the Bills use their first two picks on Trevor Penning and Breece Hall. Let Penning and Dawkins fight it out for starting LT. Loser goes to guard

Would be awesome but both may be top 20 picks😞

Edited December 1, 2021 by TheBeaneBandit

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Yea. This is not college anymore. Those windows close up quick in the NFL. I honestly do not understand why more coaches do not have their young QBs take it slower. 

 

Teams adjust. Teams will find Mac Jones weakness. Like all QBs there going to adjust and have to find something to learn and improve. Just like this year Allen cover 2 or tampa 2, he's adjusting and improving on it. Getting good underneath routes. It will go bad (tampa 2, cover 2) vs teams will wear  there d out by going 15 plays or such as well using the clock.  

[Ghost_002!]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Teams adjust. Teams will find Mac Jones weakness. Like all QBs there going to adjust and have to find something to learn and improve. Just like this year Allen cover 2 or tampa 2, he's adjusting and improving on it. Getting good underneath routes. It will go bad (tampa 2, cover 2) vs teams will wear  there d out by going 15 plays or such as well using the clock.  

 

 

Yea it's the natural progression. As soon as there is enough film on him or any other player.  That's when we know for sure  if they can hack it. The ole, everyone has a game plan until they get punched in the face"  quote -  Mike Tyson.

 

ha ha so funny that-that is a great quote coming from Mike Tyson of all people from back in the days. 

Edited December 1, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[PaattMaann]

6 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Yea it's the natural progression. As soon as there is enough film on him or any other player.  That's when we know for sure  if they can hack it. The ole, everyone has a game plan until they get punched in the face"  quote -  Mike Tyson.

 

ha ha so funny that-that is a great quote coming from Mike Tyson of all people from back in the days. 

 

why "of all people"? He was known for knocking people out. That quote is him referring to just knocking people out because then you can't execute your plan...

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Good point.  I hope Brown can make make that much of a difference. 

 

It's not even just Brown being an upgrade at RT, it's also Darryl Williams kicking inside at RG to upgrade that position.  

 

2/5ths of our OL improve when Spencer Brown is out there.  

 

If Feliciano plays, while not a stud guard by any means, he can be average, and average is a slight upgrade over Boettger.  

 

If Dawkins can ever snap out of it, when healthy, that's the making of a decent OL.  

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

37 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Would be awesome but both may be top 20 picks😞

Based on the pessimism on this board, the Bills should be picking in the top ten. 

[MiltonWaddams]

4 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Based on the pessimism on this board, the Bills should be picking in the top ten. 

And they should probably get a compensatory pick in the top 20 to add to it as well. I like where your heads at…

[Since1981]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

I want a brave reporter to ask bills players and coaches about them being labeled soft. 

 

The local reporters are either on payroll or want to be on payroll. Anyone left is in celebrity awe.

 

btw I can’t listen to hired hand Maddy. A shame too, no chance pagulas ditch her. If you “need a woman” Jenna Cottrill in ROC, so much better…

 

Every team needs one Mt Washington. 

[oldmanfan]

Put your big boy pants on, come out strong, and kick their collective ass.  You want the division you win this game.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Ok but you listed the Titans as a team that slowed our offense down.  They didn't.  I was correcting you.

 

While the Titans didn't slow our offense down overall, they did stop it at critical points, in the red zone leading to INTs and not TDs.

 

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Put your big boy pants on, come out strong, and kick their collective ass.  You want the division you win this game.

 

Pretty much.

[TheFunPolice]

No tapping on the door, all nice and polite. 

 

This Monday night, WE"RE COMING IN THROUGH THE WALL! 

[Ghost_002!]

42 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

why "of all people"? He was known for knocking people out. That quote is him referring to just knocking people out because then you can't execute your plan...

 

 

I know what he was referring to (i am a boxing fan) but the quote itself can be and has been applied to anything that requires strategy. When Tyson was boxer he was a loose cannon. He never thought before he spoke. That is what I am referring to.

 

He once said he would eat an opps. heart, and his opps. kids thsn turned right around and said "praise be to allah" . Tyson now  is totally a different person.  

[CSBill]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

What a change in stance from Bills fans. Just last year they loved GMF and Kay due to the love the gave the Bills. 

 

I still like it, but I would say overall it has one down hill. Just not much freshness to it anymore, it seems to be getting quite predictable.

[Son of a K-Gun]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

While the Titans didn't slow our offense down overall, they did stop it at critical points, in the red zone leading to INTs and not TDs.

 

 

Pretty much.

The Titans D didn't stop the Bills as much as the Bills stopped the Bills with a pair of bad (but legitimate) holding penalties on the Knox TD run and the McKenzie TD return.

[streetkings01]

2 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

After i read this post, i actually went back and watched that segment. That was not at all how it went down. They were being realistic about the game and the state of each team at the current moment. Michael Robinson said he was still riding with the bills, that just Josh Allen had to stop throwing picks and take what the defense gives him..something all young QBs don't do (funny that is what Mac Jones does, but gets kill for it) The other host, Peter Schrager was just making a statement saying if have to beat the Pats to end all of this... 

You definitely didn’t rewatch it.

1 hour ago, PaattMaann said:

 

why "of all people"? He was known for knocking people out. That quote is him referring to just knocking people out because then you can't execute your plan...

If you actually listen to Iron Mike now he’s a very intelligent dude.

[Johnnycage46]

40 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

I know what he was referring to (i am a boxing fan) but the quote itself can be and has been applied to anything that requires strategy. When Tyson was boxer he was a loose cannon. He never thought before he spoke. That is what I am referring to.

 

He once said he would eat an opps. heart, and his opps. kids thsn turned right around and said "praise be to allah" . Tyson now  is totally a different person.  

 

Agreed...I've also heard the same phrase but replacing "punched in the face" with "when the bullets start flying".

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I agree. This is why I hope the Bills use their first two picks on Trevor Penning and Breece Hall. Let Penning and Dawkins fight it out for starting LT. Loser goes to guard

Give me Kenneth Walker over Hall!  I’d be happy with that in rd 1&2

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, Son of a K-Gun said:

The Titans D didn't stop the Bills as much as the Bills stopped the Bills with a pair of bad (but legitimate) holding penalties on the Knox TD run and the McKenzie TD return.

 

Eh.  You can make an argument that "the Bills stopped the Bills" on other drives as well, but here's what went down on the Bills 5 RZ trips:

 

1st and 10 from the Ten 12: neither a first down nor a TD.  No penalties:4 yd pass to Motor; 3 yd run by Moss; incomplete pass.  FG.

1st and 5 from the Ten 5: Holding on Sanders nullifies TD to Knox, 1st and 15: 3 yd pass to McK; 2 yd run by Moss; incomplete pass to Diggs.  FG.

1st and 10 from the Ten 15: pass to Diggs, TD

1st and 5 from the Ten 5: pass to Sweeney, 2 pt conversion Knox to Allen, TD  Included a 2nd and 1 run by Allen stuffed for no gain.

1st and 10 from the Ten 12: 4 yd run by Moss; incomplete pass to Sanders; 5 yd run by Allen; 4th and 1 run by Allen stuffed for no gain

 

I think we got to give the Tenn D some credit on 2 of those 5 drives with no penalties etc.

 

Then there's 1st and 10 from the Buff 25, short pass to Zack Moss intercepted at the 27 yd line resulting in a Ten TD 2 plays later

There was a Zach Moss fumble on another drive after a short pass, followed by a tackle for loss on a run.

 

These could also be considered as the Bills stopping the Bills, in addition to the Manny Sands hold and the McKenzie TD called back.

 

Bottom line, points to both sides.

 

[longtimebillsfan]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

It's not even just Brown being an upgrade at RT, it's also Darryl Williams kicking inside at RG to upgrade that position.  

 

2/5ths of our OL improve when Spencer Brown is out there.  

 

If Feliciano plays, while not a stud guard by any means, he can be average, and average is a slight upgrade over Boettger.  

 

If Dawkins can ever snap out of it, when healthy, that's the making of a decent OL.  

All very good points.  Let's hope they all play their best on Monday night.

[Rocky Landing]

I'm going to be on a Boy Scout campout with my son over the weekend, and will miss watching this game live. I'm debating whether I will look at the score before I watch this on Game Pass. Honestly, this game has me more on edge than any game I can remember. More than the AFCCG last season.

[Dukestreetking]

14 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

Agreed...I've also heard the same phrase but replacing "punched in the face" with "when the bullets start flying".

 

The quote is "no plan survives first contact with the enemy". Variously attributed to Ike, McArthur, others...but likely first stated by von Moltke.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2021 by Dukestreetking

[Son of a K-Gun]

5 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I'm going to be on a Boy Scout campout with my son over the weekend, and will miss watching this game live. I'm debating whether I will look at the score before I watch this on Game Pass. Honestly, this game has me more on edge than any game I can remember. More than the AFCCG last season.

Boy Scout campout on Monday night?

[Ghost_002!]

38 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

You definitely didn’t rewatch it.

 

 

If you have a clip or get a hold of one. Please post. I know what i saw clearly. 

[Solomon Grundy]

23 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Give me Kenneth Walker over Hall!  I’d be happy with that in rd 1&2

I gave Breece the nod because of his abilities in the passing game 

[Rocky Landing]

12 minutes ago, Son of a K-Gun said:

Boy Scout campout on Monday night?

We get back in the evening, and I'm on the West Coast.

[Son of a K-Gun]

1 minute ago, Rocky Landing said:

We get back in the evening, and I'm on the West Coast.

Gotcha...just wanted to make sure you weren't thinking it was a Sunday game.  Sounds like a good reason to miss watching the game live, have fun 🙂

[tbonehawaii]

2 hours ago, Son of a K-Gun said:

They also went on ad nauseum about the Patriots running game and the Bills lack thereof.  The Patriots are 12th in the league in rushing yards per game, right behind the Bills at 11.  Kay mentioned how bad the Bills running game is if you take away Josh Allen's rushing totals...okay fair point, but nobody talks about the Ravens rushing totals if you take away Lamar's numbers. 

It's just such a spin game and the media is playing everything into their narrative.  It is frustrating because as a Bills fan you can see the holes in their analysis, but it isn't like this team hasn't been overlooked before so we should be used to it.

What so silly to me is the constant theme of “if you take Allen’s rushing out.”  Like it doesn’t count if he rushes for 10 yards because it’s not running back.

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I gave Breece the nod because of his abilities in the passing game 

I hear ya. It would likely have to be Hall anyway.  I think Walker will probably be the 1st rb taken in the draft and not available when we pick in rd 2

[newcam2012]

4 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Do they really, though?

 

It's funny how last year when we ripped off a string of wins tons of people (even some here) liked to point out they we didn't beat anyone that was any good. Seems fitting to play that same game with the Pats here. Lets see what they have done over the least 6 weeks.

 

Jets: They hung 54 on a very bad Jet team. This was also the start of the Jets "Mike White Era" as the Jets lost Wilson early.

 

Chargers: This was a good win at the time, however we have seen Herbert take a sizable step back this year. Still, the only win I'd call solid in their streak.

 

Panthers: Sam Darnold started. Shouldn't need any further comment.

 

Browns: No Chubb or Hunt for this game. Mayfield is playing this year with 1 arm. Case Keenum closed out the game.

 

Falcons: Again, played a team without their biggest offensive weapon in Patterson. Allowed them to focus on Pitts. 

 

Titans: No Henry, No Jones, No Brown. 3rd straight game of catching a team shorthanded.

 

To their credit the Pats still lined up and won their games. No let down. But aside from PERHAPS the Chargers game I'm not impressed by any of their wins in this streak. Their other 2 wins this season? A 2nd one over the Jets and a win over the Texans (that was very close to a loss with Davis Mills at QB).

 

They have lost to the Dolphins, Saints, Bucs and Cowboys. We are better that 3 of those teams and not that far off from the Bucs this year.

 

I am THANKFUL the Pats ripped off his win streak. Their fanbase is getting very smug again.  Monday night in Buffalo they get a very small sample of what we went through various times for 20 years where we thought we had something and watched the Patriots rip that to shreads. Buffalo wins this one and it's not even going to be close.

 

Have to disagree with you. Not long ago, the media was giving the Bills mad hype. They were putting us in the top of their rankings and talking super bowl appearance. What changed? The Bills starting losing, playing average to poorly, and weaknesses started to be obvious. 

 

Following your logic, who have the Bills beat? You think that's impressive? Six game winning streaks are pretty had to come bybin the NFL. The Pats absolutely should be appalled for their success. 

 

There is little indication that the Bills will blow out the Pats. Sure it could happen and no one would be happier than me. Take off your homer hat and be a little more fair with your post. 

4 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Her statement was actually that Mac jones was the BEST qb in all the AFC right now. Thats absurd. I would hope anyone with some actual sense would feel the same way.

nah. The topic was actually best QB in the whole conference. Which makes her answer even more absurd.

I didn't see it. Depends on the context. Allen has been pretty inconsistent this year. It can be argued that Jones is playing better than him. So in essence he is the best right now. I doubt she was saying overall Jones is better than Allen.