Are the Bills classless for scoring a TD against the fins with 1:14 to go? Try too take your homer hat off and explain.

[Virgil]

No.  They were running the ball and Josh walked it in.  Going for 2 makes sense based upon the point differential. 

 

Now, if we were up by 3 scores or something, sure.  But the Dolphins have recovered multiple onside kicks against us.  Play to win and don't stop until it's 100% over.

 

Also, now Josh is tied for most rushing TD's in his first 50 games 🙂

[Matt_In_NH]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

When you can run the clock out and win you do so.  The Bills clearly could not have done either of those things in that situation easily.  What were they supposed to do, get down to the half yard line and try and get the first down? 

 

Common sense isn't so common these days apparently.

You changed the story........

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

I know this is being discussed in the thread about the Miami board. I’ve given you a poll here with the opportunity to explain your election. The Bills in my opinion absolutely played this correctly including the two point conversion. If they convert the 2 then the game is a three score ordeal.

 

While the probability of the fins scoring twice in 1:14 with 0 timeouts is low it is possible. The Miami argument is the Bills could have run time off the clock and left the Fins deep on the field with no time outs. All well and good, but then the fins are only two crazy and lucky plays away from winning. They break one for a long TD and kick the EP. the score is then 20 -18. If they get an insides kick - they probably only need one play to get into FG range. Kick the FG and the Bills lose.

 

This.  The Bills were ahead by 9 points before the TD, thanks to the Dolphins successful 2 point conversion.

 

The Fins had already shown the willingness and ability to throw a 40 yd pass on 4th and 6.  The officiating was awful in that game.  Broken coverage (or uncalled holding or hands to the face) that allows a TD on kickoff after the score, an onside kick, and a FG and we lose.

 

If anything, it's more a sign of respect, saying "you're dangerous enough that we feel the need to put a stake in your heart here"

 

I'm not thrilled with the 2 point conversion.  The only thing I can think is they wanted to practice a play, but it put Allen's body at risk for what?  That's where I would have said kneel it.

[JDubya76]

It was a QB sweep. It wasn’t like they drew up some sort of trick play to embarrass them. They ran the ball three times. Don’t want the bills to score, stop the run. They had no real problem doing that during the rest of the game.

 

Two point conversion was to move the percentages of losing closer to 0.0%.

 

The wave goodbye, don’t mess with our QBs legs when he’s on the ground. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Virgil said:

No.  They were running the ball and Josh walked it in.  Going for 2 makes sense based upon the point differential.

 

I don't follow this, walk me through it?

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, mattynh said:

You changed the story........

 

Not really.  Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that if you can ultimately end the game, you do it.  If you can't do that, then you score points.  Pretty simple, not sure why I should even have to explain this.

[LewPort71]

Classless is a HS team winning 104-0  and going for a two point conversion.

Inglewood HS in CA.

 

For the Bills to score and go for two is the right thing to do in the NFL.  Had

the shoe been on the other foot, Miami would have gone for two also.

[letsgoteam]

Don't feel like reading through 7 pages. So if it's been mentioned, so be it. However, the 2 pt conversion was not a bad call. It would give the Bills a 3 score lead. An XP or missed XP still leaves it at 2 scores.

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't follow this, walk me through it?

 

If they kicked the XP, would have led by 16, making it a 2 score game still.  Getting the 2 point conversion would have made it a 3 score game.  Regardless of how improbable them scoring 2 TDs with 2 point conversions would have been in the time left, why not try and make it a 3 score game rather than a 2 score game?

Edited November 1, 2021 by Big Turk

[John from Riverside]

Yes we should’ve taken her foot off the gas and let something bad happen

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

They couldn’t mathematically take knees and they were running the football I don’t see anything wrong with it and I wouldn’t care if it was done to us. Total points is also a tiebreaker im pretty sure 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Buffalo Boy]

   Points show up in the tie breaker formula so I don’t have any problem with them scoring. 
    HOWEVER, Josh picked the O up, put it on his shoulders ( with some help from Beas) and carried the O. It was STUPID to put him at unnecessary risk for one extra point. 
   If it was a pass, then i could honor the “ Live fire practice “ excuse but it wasn’t and it was a stupid play.

   Sometimes the coache’s job is to protect players from themselves.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

If they kicked the XP, would have led by 16, making it a 2 score game still.  Getting the 2 point conversion would have made it a 3 score game.  Regardless of how improbable them scoring 2 TDs with 2 point conversions would have been in the time left, why not try and make it a 3 score game rather than a 2 score game?

 

Got It.

 

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   Points show up in the tie breaker formula so I don’t have any problem with them scoring. 
    HOWEVER, Josh picked the O up, put it on his shoulders ( with some help from Beas) and carried the O. It was STUPID to put him at unnecessary risk for one extra point. 
   If it was a pass, then i could honor the “ Live fire practice “ excuse but it wasn’t and it was a stupid play.

   Sometimes the coache’s job is to protect players from themselves.

 

Agree here

[appoo]

a couple of points here

 

IF you're whining about someone running up the score, then the first group responsible for that is your own damn team. Don't want them scoring? Stop them. 

 

Bills had a 2 possession lead. Go get the 3 possession lead.  TD, onside kick, TD isn't exactly unheard of. 

[Alphadawg7]

Is this thread for real?  Are these children on the field or grown a** men literally playing a game for a living?  
 

Come on, this is absurd.  Don’t like it, play better.  That simple.  And we couldn't end the game on kneel downs either.  Had to score or get a first to unofficially end the game.
 

And end of the day, it was a safe play that puts the game away and score impacts tie breakers.  No lane, Josh just goes down and keeps the clock running.  

Edited November 1, 2021 by Alphadawg7

[GoBills808]

Classless for…scoring more points

 

in a professional football game

 

wow

[Maynard]

Yes on the TD. The 2 pt conversion not so sure. I mean I know we are struggling in the red zone a bit, so more practice makes perfect. 

[teef]

1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Is it classless?  I won’t go that far.

is it eye rolling ? Absolutely.

 

Especially JA17 “flexing” after the score.  I mean…how big is your inferiority complex?!

 

but that has been a staple for this team for a few years now.

 

no different than 2020 when Allen and Bills were dialing up Deep passing routes and keeping starters in in blowouts in 3rd/4th quarter games.

 

Also the reason Diggs and Beasley were injured for AFC Championship game.

 

so i expect them to continue to do it.  Fulfilling whatever psychological need or whatever they are lacking.

 

just hopefully it doesn’t burn them like it did in 2020.

why do you always look for the most negative slant towards the bills possible?

[uninja]

[appoo]

Allen wasn't flexing. He was telling off a player who he thought was trying to injure him. I'm impressed he didn't react more harshly actually

[muppy]

38 minutes ago, LewPort71 said:

Classless is a HS team winning 104-0  and going for a two point conversion.

Inglewood HS in CA.

 

For the Bills to score and go for two is the right thing to do in the NFL.  Had

the shoe been on the other foot, Miami would have gone for two also.

2 point plays are not THAT common in the NFL. If the game is decided (No way as our D going to allow the fish to score not to mention twice..) but the Bills ran it to see if it would work. It didnt. oh well it was neither here nor there..some risk points reward

 

putting allen at risk yeah Im not a fan of that so I get that. That #17 didnt get a taunting call there was "gracious" of the referee

 

jmo

Edited November 1, 2021 by Muppy

[Sundancer]

50 minutes ago, london_bills said:

I didn't understand the 2 point conversion, thought Mcdermott would be asked about it in the presser. 

 

 

 

They were up by 15. IF they kick the extra point, they go up by 16 and potentially two scores. If they get the two point conversion, it's 3 scores, and virtually impossible to lose. 

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

17 minutes ago, teef said:

why do you always look for the most negative slant towards the bills possible?

Only the negative stuff triggers me to speak up about.

 

I don’t really comment on much stuff that is positive because it’s all good and there are enough folks who do that already.

 

 

[Virgil]

57 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't follow this, walk me through it?

 

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, we scored on a QB Bootleg and Josh ran it in.  We weren't in our normal offense and we were running clock.  We weren't in a situation to just take a knee.  It wasn't a pass, they weren't in kneel down mode, and it was a 9 point game.  Not egregious from what I thought.  Could they have run up the middle and kicked a FG?  Yes, but what's the difference between up 9 and up 12 when you are going to give the ball back regardless?

 

 

[Rc2catch]

I didn’t have an issue with it, Flores went for two to get them within 6 instead of 7 which I found gutsy and weird. 
Put the final dagger in. We lost on a Hail Mary last year, weird stuff happens at end of games. Every down of football in a game counts, every situation is an important practice rep 

[Warcodered]

21 minutes ago, Muppy said:

but the Bills ran it to see if it would work.

Didn't even really get to see it was a bad snap.

[QCity]

"take off your homer hat"

 

riiiight 

[CNY315]

Fins fans are acting like Allen and McD ate some kid's happy meal. 😆

[PromoTheRobot]

You make it a 3-score game. There was a enough time for MIA to come back from two scores down.

[JohnNord]

Meh… I wouldn’t call it running up the score only because the Bills were so close to the endzone.  The same happened when the Ravens played Denver this year.  They ran a play close to the endzone for a TD and when they couldn’t taken a knee and kicked.  It’s not the most egregious call. 

[GoBills808]

classless is rolling up a guys leg after tackling him

[Rubes]

It ain't over until there are four zeroes on the scoreboard. Until then, you do everything you can to make it impossible for them to come back.

 

[teef]

17 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Only the negative stuff triggers me to speak up about.

 

I don’t really comment on much stuff that is positive because it’s all good and there are enough folks who do that already.

 

 

nah.  that's not it.  i think it's far more telling that you feel allen flexing after a score is a sign of an, "inferiority complex" while others see it as a sign of fiery competitiveness...something you want out of your quarterback.  it's just you.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, teef said:

nah.  that's not it.  i think it's far more telling that you feel allen flexing after a score is a sign of an, "inferiority complex" while others see it as a sign of fiery competitiveness...something you want out of your quarterback.  it's just you.

I think it’s telling that he considers a play wherein Allen scored and celebrated an example of ‘negative stuff’

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Gut feeling, a lot of phins fans had the phins +14

[teef]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

I think it’s telling that he considers a play wherein Allen scored and celebrated an example of ‘negative stuff’

Lol!  There’s a lot going on in his posts. 

[patzen]

First of all on the touchdown, everyone knew we were running a play and not kneeling so if they can't stop us they can't stop us. As for the 2 point conversion, if you get it there's literally no chance a team can get 3 scores in a minute with no timeouts. If you kick the extra point there's an absolutely minuscule chance that a team could get 2 TDs in a minute with no timeouts. We were just trying to win the game.

[maryland-bills-fan]

Get a clue !!!!!   AFTER losing last week for not finishing at the end of a game,,,,,  Use your brain.

[FilthyBeast]

Not sure why they went for the 2 point conversion, but I have no problem with going for another TD because even if they kneeled they wouldn't have been able to run the clock and would have had to kick a FG or go for it on 4th down anyway.

 

Also how many times in the past have the Pats when done this with Brady? Not just against the Bills but any team they played and were blowing out.

 

Bottom line you play to win and this was not classless IMO.

[KingBoots8]

The TD was totally fine, and there is no arguing it. We couldn’t kill the clock by taking a knee, so we had to make a play. We ran a play that anyone could have seen coming a mile away. Miami gave up the score- that’s on them.

 

the 2 point conversion I could see an argument for. I’m fine because going up by 17 means a 3 score game and nearly impossible to lose. 
 

nearly.

 

let me take you (unfortunately) back to the first game of 2009- Bills stomping the pats, TB12 coming back from injury. 1:16 to go. 
 

Brady gets 2 TDs and wins 25-24.

 

Now I’m not saying Tua is Brady or anything like that, but we muffed a punt return to give them ideal field position to steal that win. Isaiah already had a bad return…

 

The lesson here is this: don’t give them any chances to steal the win. I’m fine with the TD and Conversion attempt- god knows we need the practice lol