Blockbuster trade?

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, ProcessTruster said:

exactly the position groups where quality not available at this time of year.   Offseason focus.   See you in April.   Plus Beane needs to start really sweating the salary cap, so guys on rookie deals will be a priority going forward.   But he drafts well, so not so concerned there.   More O lineman being drafted in the spring for sure.  Josh isn't going anywhere.   The SB window will be open for a few years.  

 

Exactly I think we roll with what we have and just hope Josh continues to cover up for the OL's weak play. We really don't have a choice at this point anyway. This upcoming draft I would expect Beane's top priority will be the OL.

[starrymessenger]

8 hours ago, 34-78-83 said:

I'd give the Colts a DE for a Guard

Yeah, like that guy Nelson for example. Whenever I get to see them I focus on him. Great guard play is a beautiful thing. I can see why he went 6 overall.

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, Back2Buff said:

This team can't run without a TE, sorry Sweeney ain't it.  This won't be the last time Knox is hurt this season, he is one that hasn't been particularly healthy is his career.

 

Gesicki is the PERFECT trade target.

 

The guy is clearly frustrated in Miami and his deal is up.  He is on a rookie deal, so he is cheap.

I wish Gesecki was a possibility. In division trades do happen but I can't see MIA s front office doing it right now. Trading him would be bad enough PR, but making a team like us better would really be a nail in the coffin on their jobs. Gesecki n Knox would be a stud 1-2 lineup

[T master]

9 hours ago, McBean said:

If you could make one blockbuster trade before Tuesday without looking at the numbers, who would you want?

 

This is just for fun and would love to hear the 1 player everybody thinks that could win us a Super Bowl this season.

 

I’ll go first:

 

DALVIN COOK

 

Vikings are done. Zimmer is getting fired. Cook would make this offense unstoppable. He would take so much pressure off Allen. Look at the Titans and Tannehill. #1 seed right now with Ryan freakin Tannehill. Why? Teams always have to watch for #22. The run sets up so much. 
 

Who’s your 1 player?

 

I think if there is one thing Beane hasn't done well is draft RB's last years draft with Johnathon Taylor, AJ Dillion, & Antonio Gibson  sitting there for the taking (My pick would have been Dillon) and he thought who we had in Moss & Singletary we were good ? Okay you know football better than i do .

 

Taylor may have been a bit of a reach going as early as he did but Dillon could have been had in a great spot & the dude is money just look at what he's doing when called on in GB . Moss is good so is motor but given the bigger frame of Dillon i think he would have given a lot more power to the running game than we have but that's just me .

[billsbackto81]

The obsession with acquiring a RB on this board is mind boggling.

 

Dalvin Cook albeit a better player would suffer from the same run blocking ineptitude this O Line displays every game. 

 

We need O line help, guards in particular. Maybe some Pass Rush and CB depth.

[ProcessTruster]

5 minutes ago, T master said:

 

I think if there is one thing Beane hasn't done well is draft RB's last years draft with Johnathon Taylor, AJ Dillion, & Antonio Gibson  sitting there for the taking (My pick would have been Dillon) and he thought who we had in Moss & Singletary we were good ? Okay you know football better than i do .

 

Taylor may have been a bit of a reach going as early as he did but Dillon could have been had in a great spot & the dude is money just look at what he's doing when called on in GB . Moss is good so is motor but given the bigger frame of Dillon i think he would have given a lot more power to the running game than we have but that's just me .

Jim Brown wouldn't run it really well behind the bills o line.  The line is the issue, but will need to wait until the draft to address.   Cap management will be an issue, as Beane will prob need to pay Oliver and Edmunds this offseason, among others.    Downside of actually having a good roster.  

[PS 56]

8 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Get an all pro guard and keep Allen safe in the pocket will help our run game as well. Can we get scherff from Washington? Coming off injury but let him heal up and get going for the playoff run. 

Or maybe Brandon Brooks from the Eagles?  I know he is out right now with a torn pec.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Meh.  Blockbusters ain't what they used to be. 🤨

[What a Tuel]

28 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

The obsession with acquiring a RB on this board is mind boggling.

 

Dalvin Cook albeit a better player would suffer from the same run blocking ineptitude this O Line displays every game. 

 

We need O line help, guards in particular. Maybe some Pass Rush and CB depth.

 

This is part of it but at the end of the day some of these RBs make it happen, it isn't all the run blocking.

Edited November 1, 2021 by What a Tuel

[78thealltimegreat]

9 hours ago, McBean said:

If you could make one blockbuster trade before Tuesday without looking at the numbers, who would you want?

 

This is just for fun and would love to hear the 1 player everybody thinks that could win us a Super Bowl this season.

 

I’ll go first:

 

DALVIN COOK

 

Vikings are done. Zimmer is getting fired. Cook would make this offense unstoppable. He would take so much pressure off Allen. Look at the Titans and Tannehill. #1 seed right now with Ryan freakin Tannehill. Why? Teams always have to watch for #22. The run sets up so much. 
 

Who’s your 1 player?

Put Dalvin with this passing game man but I would call the Jags about the availability of James Robinson or Andrew Norwell….and what the heck Detroit’s got a nutty coach why not give them a call and see if we can offer a 5th for Hockenson? 

[pocoboy]

Wyatt Teller would be nice.

[Your Brown Eye]

I'm still confused why some think Jacksonville would trade away their best o-lineman that is protecting the #1 overall draft pick who they are hoping to be their franchise QB?  

 

Is there any substance to the Jaguars listening to offers for OG Norwell or are we just throwing random names out there for funsies?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

10 hours ago, McBean said:

Look at the Titans and Tannehill. #1 seed right now with Ryan freakin Tannehill. Why? Teams always have to watch for #22. The run sets up so much. 
 

Who’s your 1 player?

Welp- we’re about to find out if this is the case… 

[BADOLBILZ]

17 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said:

I'm still confused why some think Jacksonville would trade away their best o-lineman that is protecting the #1 overall draft pick who they are hoping to be their franchise QB?  

 

Is there any substance to the Jaguars listening to offers for OG Norwell or are we just throwing random names out there for funsies?

 

 

Teams rarely advertise to the media that they are interested in trading a player.   If you are looking for rumors from a talking head......those usually come from agents looking to get their player traded,  not the team.   So you can sh*t in one hand and search for substance in the other and you know which one will fill up first.   

 

The dots are connected to Norwell because he was a former All Pro who has been up and down with the Jags and has $13M in base salary next season,  the last of his deal.   They may not want to wait for another down and perhaps get something for a 30 year old player at one of the easier positions on the field to fill and save $15M-$20M.   The dots specifically to the Bills?    He began his career with Carolina when Beane and McDermott were there and later had his All Pro season as a Carolina Panther.

[MAJBobby]

Find me some OL or a TE.  It was clearly evident how much Knox not on the field hurt the offense Sunday

[Back2Buff]

2 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I wish Gesecki was a possibility. In division trades do happen but I can't see MIA s front office doing it right now. Trading him would be bad enough PR, but making a team like us better would really be a nail in the coffin on their jobs. Gesecki n Knox would be a stud 1-2 lineup

 

I just don't see in division being a problem when they are 1-7.  It's not like they are in contention, and Gesicki is gone at the end of the year anyways.

 

Trading him when you are completely out of contention for less because you don't want him going to a certain team, would be worse than any PR backlash.

[Rigotz]

How about David Montgomery? 3rd round RB on third year of his rookie contract.

Khalil Herbert has looked fantastic as a rookie since Montgomery got hurt.

 

Bears can use all the help they can get and with Herbert looking so good, I wonder if they would be willing to trade Montgomery in exchange for a 2nd rounder and Singletary? That would be a nice haul and I think it would be worth it for both teams.

[RyanC883]

I would love to get Norwell, but I don't think an OL qualifies as "blockbuster," although he would be the best addition, IMO.  I think "blockbuster" has to be a good name, and per the OP, one that would also help.  

 

The following might fit that criteria: 

 

1.  DJ Metcalf.  not sure how we'd get him, (Davis and a 2nd?), but man, that would be something.  

 

2.  D. Cook (RB).  Yeah, he is oft-injured, and the price is ridiculous, but he'd up the running game.  The OL is bad, but not the sole reason.  We have 2 backup RB's rotating as starters.  

 

3.  K. Mack or DE. Hunter.  Pass rush upgrade would put the D on another level.  

 

 

[muppy]

4 hours ago, Pete said:

I'm banging the table for Norwell

**googling**** OG from Jaguars. I trust Beane if a deal is to be made he can surely do it.  A player who wants a ring? :-))))))))

 

I vote for an OG.

 

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[Billever76]

12 hours ago, McBean said:

If you could make one blockbuster trade before Tuesday without looking at the numbers, who would you want?

 

This is just for fun and would love to hear the 1 player everybody thinks that could win us a Super Bowl this season.

 

I’ll go first:

 

DALVIN COOK

 

Vikings are done. Zimmer is getting fired. Cook would make this offense unstoppable. He would take so much pressure off Allen. Look at the Titans and Tannehill. #1 seed right now with Ryan freakin Tannehill. Why? Teams always have to watch for #22. The run sets up so much. 
 

Who’s your 1 player?

Tannehill is gonna be exposed now lol

[Baba Booey]

Xavien Howard. 

[Back2Buff]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

I would love to get Norwell, but I don't think an OL qualifies as "blockbuster," although he would be the best addition, IMO.  I think "blockbuster" has to be a good name, and per the OP, one that would also help.  

 

The following might fit that criteria: 

 

1.  DJ Metcalf.  not sure how we'd get him, (Davis and a 2nd?), but man, that would be something.  

 

2.  D. Cook (RB).  Yeah, he is oft-injured, and the price is ridiculous, but he'd up the running game.  The OL is bad, but not the sole reason.  We have 2 backup RB's rotating as starters.  

 

3.  K. Mack or DE. Hunter.  Pass rush upgrade would put the D on another level.  

 

 

 

Mack and Hunter are both hurt.

[DCofNC]

Find a G or LB or Both, that’s the weakness of this team.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, DCofNC said:

Find a G or LB or Both, that’s the weakness of this team.

LB?  Are you serious?  We play nickel 99% of the time.  Milano and Edmunds aren’t going to be replaced gone we trade for.  Did you mean G and CB?  We could upgrade cb2…..but I don’t see any reason to upgrade Lb

[DCofNC]

Just now, NewEra said:

LB?  Are you serious?  We play nickel 99% of the time.  Milano and Edmunds aren’t going to be replaced gone we trade for.  Did you mean G and CB?  We could upgrade cb2…..but I don’t see any reason to upgrade Lb

CB would be nice too, but yes, a LB is still needed and I pray the McD sees what everyone else does in Edmunds and has the balls to replace him in the off-season.

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

Yeah, like that guy Nelson for example. Whenever I get to see them I focus on him. Great guard play is a beautiful thing. I can see why he went 6 overall.

They aren’t trading nelson

Just now, DCofNC said:

CB would be nice too, but yes, a LB is still needed and I pray the McD sees what everyone else does in Edmunds and has the balls to replace him in the off-season.

Zero chance of this happening.  

[DCofNC]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

They aren’t trading nelson

Zero chance of this happening.  

I fear as much, hopefully he gets an overwhelming offer in FA and save the Bills like all the other mediocre LBs fans clung to.  Won’t be this off-season, but I can still have hope for the next year.

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

I fear as much, hopefully he gets an overwhelming offer in FA and save the Bills like all the other mediocre LBs fans clung to.  Won’t be this off-season, but I can still have hope for the next year.

I’ll be the first to criticize 49, but I don’t think he’s a problem that needs to be solved in order to win the SB.  
 

IOL certainly is.

Levi might be.

Haack could also ruin us. 
I wish we had a better TE2, but i doubt that keeps us from a title. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 hours ago, McBean said:

If you could make one blockbuster trade before Tuesday without looking at the numbers, who would you want?

 

This is just for fun and would love to hear the 1 player everybody thinks that could win us a Super Bowl this season.

 

I’ll go first:

 

DALVIN COOK

 

Vikings are done. Zimmer is getting fired. Cook would make this offense unstoppable. He would take so much pressure off Allen. Look at the Titans and Tannehill. #1 seed right now with Ryan freakin Tannehill. Why? Teams always have to watch for #22. The run sets up so much. 
 

Who’s your 1 player?

 

I would go for Brandon Scherff, OG from the WFT.

1) some connections between McDermott/Beane/Rivera to help grease the wheels

2) WFT 2-6 and would be trading across conferences, so there's that

3) WFT could use draft picks or maybe a combination of a pick and a defensive lineman.  WFT seems to have a bit of a culture problem where their top picks under-produce, so maybe they would be interested in a "culture change" player like Butler or Obada?

4) Scherff is coming back from knee injury, so they've been playing without him (but then again, 4 straight losses with him out so maybe they figure he's a difference maker to their OL play)

 

I don't think any RB is going to contribute much until/unless we fix our OL play

 

13 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

What would motivate the Colts to do that? Sincerely asking. Is Nelson not likely to re-sign there? How is Ford a valuable asset? 

 

Some of these suggestions are "SMH" quality

[starrymessenger]

34 minutes ago, NewEra said:

They aren’t trading nelson

Zero chance of this happening.  

Yeah id say thats pretty obvious.

[Royale with Cheese]

39 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

CB would be nice too, but yes, a LB is still needed and I pray the McD sees what everyone else does in Edmunds and has the balls to replace him in the off-season.

 

"Dear God, I know what I'm looking at in the broadcast view.  McDermott doesn't see how bad Edmunds really is because he doesn't understand the linebacker position.  Please allow McDermott to think like me."

[ColoradoBills]

Beane is not sitting around doing nothing.  He also knows that OG is the only true position of need for the rest of the season.

If anything happens it will be for an OG.  Just got to wait to see if he can work something out with some GM.

[Einstein's Dog]

I saw one article listing Trubisky as a potential Saint QB target.  I wonder if Beane is tempted to trade away the half year insurance policy for a pick next year. 

 

I know this is kind of the opposite of what a lot of people are looking for, but I wouldn't be upset.  I want a contender for years!

[Chicken Boo]

16 hours ago, Nelius said:

Dude in that scenario I'd just go cheaper and steal Alexander Mattison, who looks nearly just as good as Cook but so far without the inevitable mid-season injury. Just wait, it's coming. Mattison will once again be a fantasy darling in Week 13 or whatever when Cook's hip or knee or ankle goes out again.

 

Mattison looks good in cleanup duty.  Kind of like how James Conner looked good filling in for Bell.  

[Milanos Milano]

I know it has been discussed here, but I would absolutely pursue a star RB this year. I think realistically, the only RB that could be traded for that would actually help us is Barkley. I would trade out 1st round pick and a player. I would then sit Barkley for the next 5 weeks to heal up and then slowly incorporate him into the offense just before the playoff run. Our offense is a star RB away from being unstoppable, even with our issues on the Oline. Barkley can catch out of the backfield, so we can mask some of those issues. CMC is the only other RB I would consider realistically trading for. I think I would do it, because next years draft for RBs is not very good and neither is the FA. Our team is built for a super bowl right now, and I would definitely pull the trigger for a game changing RB. We had one with Thurman, and I think Saquon could be our Thurman. 

Edited November 1, 2021 by IronMaidenBills

[WMDman]

What time is the trade deadline tomorrow?

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I’ll be the first to criticize 49, but I don’t think he’s a problem that needs to be solved in order to win the SB.  
 

IOL certainly is.

Levi might be.

Haack could also ruin us. 
I wish we had a better TE2, but i doubt that keeps us from a title. 

 

I don't think Edumonds is a problem for this team, he is a good MLB who works within the system. He isn't a great player but he is a net positive on the team in my opinion. TE2 isn't an issue as I actually think Sweeney is a decent backup and with Gabe Davis the team has other players they can shift TE targets to. Haack has been a poor punter thus far (most ranks I see him in the mid to late 20's) whereas Bojo by comparison is ranked top 10 in most punting categories. But I think this team can survive a below average punter. Levi I don't see as an issue, could this team add some depth at CB? I guess, I don't know who is behind Dane Jackson but adding a 5th CB as some depth isn't bad but McD seems to be able to find some players there that work in the system home grown. I don't see it being an area they address. 

 

That only leaves Guard as an issue. If Brown can come back kicking in D.Williams in my opinion gets you capable play at one guard spot. At the other guard spot however you have Mongo who is not tragic like Cody Ford but is a below average player (after turning in two seasons where his play ranged from average to above average, definitely think the weight loss hurt him.) The other internal options to replace Mongo are Ike, Ford and Bates. Ford looked like a marginal backup when out there he is a complete desperation option who should stay on the bench. 

 

Ike and Bates are your only real options currently on the roster. I think they like to have Bates on the bench as he can play all five positions in a pinch. Which only leaves Ike out there as a possible option. I know most on here hate Ike for some reason but I thought he played at least at a startling caliber level last season and he was a big piece as to why the O-line got better to end the season. I would put Mongo on the bench and start Ike, there isn't a trade coming for a guard unfortunately. 

1 minute ago, WMDman said:

What time is the trade deadline tomorrow?

 

4 PM EST. 

[NewEra]

19 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I don't think Edumonds is a problem for this team, he is a good MLB who works within the system. He isn't a great player but he is a net positive on the team in my opinion. TE2 isn't an issue as I actually think Sweeney is a decent backup and with Gabe Davis the team has other players they can shift TE targets to. Haack has been a poor punter thus far (most ranks I see him in the mid to late 20's) whereas Bojo by comparison is ranked top 10 in most punting categories. But I think this team can survive a below average punter. Levi I don't see as an issue, could this team add some depth at CB? I guess, I don't know who is behind Dane Jackson but adding a 5th CB as some depth isn't bad but McD seems to be able to find some players there that work in the system home grown. I don't see it being an area they address. 

 

That only leaves Guard as an issue. If Brown can come back kicking in D.Williams in my opinion gets you capable play at one guard spot. At the other guard spot however you have Mongo who is not tragic like Cody Ford but is a below average player (after turning in two seasons where his play ranged from average to above average, definitely think the weight loss hurt him.) The other internal options to replace Mongo are Ike, Ford and Bates. Ford looked like a marginal backup when out there he is a complete desperation option who should stay on the bench. 

 

Ike and Bates are your only real options currently on the roster. I think they like to have Bates on the bench as he can play all five positions in a pinch. Which only leaves Ike out there as a possible option. I know most on here hate Ike for some reason but I thought he played at least at a startling caliber level last season and he was a big piece as to why the O-line got better to end the season. I would put Mongo on the bench and start Ike, there isn't a trade coming for a guard unfortunately. 

 

4 PM EST. 

Good post.  I agree for the most part.  
 

Regarding the bolded…..mongos play the last 2 season ranged from pathetic to above average.  The bottom of his spectrum was most definitely NOT average.  
 

Haack lost us one game already.  He can do it again. 
 

We’ll see about Levi.  More bad than good yesterday imo.  More good than bad this year.  I’ve been happy with him for the most part.  Still not sold on him.  
 

I don’t know anyone can say they’ve seen enough of Sweeney to think that he’s an adequate #2.  I’m not saying that he definitely isn’t.  I’m saying that I’d rather have a proven TE2.  A TE2 that will allow us to play more 2TE sets confidently.  We rarely ever run 2TE sets and I think our lack of a good TE2 could be part of the reason.  I could be totally wrong.  

[frostbitmic]

Zack Martin and Brandon Scherf should make our offense unstoppable.

[Solomon Grundy]

4 hours ago, Baba Booey said:

Xavien Howard. 

I was thinking Gilmore from Carolina 👀