What are your thoughts on Ed Oliver?

[Royale with Cheese]

I think he’s a very good run defender but a below average pass rusher.  When we drafted him, I thought it would have been opposite.

[Augie]

10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I think he’s a very good run defender but a below average pass rusher.  When we drafted him, I thought it would have been opposite.

 

Even after today? He’s a penetrator, either way. Run or pass. 

 

 

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Edited November 1, 2021 by Augie

[gobills404]

This is like the 3rd or 4th game this year where he's been the most disruptive player on the D-line

[Aussie Joe]

On 10/21/2021 at 2:01 AM, SCBills said:

Anyone think Ed Oliver could be a surprise trade candidate before the deadline?  

 

If he can bring back a quality IOL or CB, I'd think we have to entertain it, no?

No... I dont think so...

[Nelius]

23 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I think he’s a very good run defender but a below average pass rusher.  When we drafted him, I thought it would have been opposite.

 

Fair point at some point but still after today? He was great on pass rush. Is this Ed Oliver becoming the Ed we wanted or just an outlier performance? I don't want him on another team right now that's for sure, I think he's played beyond Shaq Lawson for example

[mikemac2001]

He’s getting better hand playing well

[WideNine]

I won't take back what I said earlier because there are too many games where he just disappears.

 

I also predicted he would have a breakout game today against Miami. He shows flashes from time-to-time of the game changer he can be.

 

If he can develop his game where he brings that intensity and consistency each week, then he will justify where he was taken.

 

He had a great game today.

 

 

 

[GreggTX]

Overall I'm disappointed. He's not bad, but not what I was hoping for.

[BillMafia716ix]

Oliver has been solid this year. Not sure what people are watching. When he came out of college he was getting Aaron Donald comparisons and considering how high he was drafted, fans were expecting him to be that type of player. He’s no Aaron Donald but he’s still a solid player

[bmur66]

Solid player. Love his attitude but he needs longer arms.

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by bmur66

[JohnNord]

5 hours ago, WideNine said:

I won't take back what I said earlier because there are too many games where he just disappears.

 

I also predicted he would have a breakout game today against Miami. He shows flashes from time-to-time of the game changer he can be.

 

If he can develop his game where he brings that intensity and consistency each week, then he will justify where he was taken.

 

He had a great game today.

 

 

 

I agree with you.  Oliver played a great game.  Now he needs to build off his solid performance versus Miami.  He’s flashes before but hasn’t been able to put together a string of games.  Let’s hope we see that next 

[Royale with Cheese]

6 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Even after today? He’s a penetrator, either way. Run or pass. 

 

 

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Yeah, even after today.  He absolutely shows flashes but not consistent where I can say he’s a good pass rusher.  I don’t think he’s had a sack or very many pressures overall.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

8 hours ago, Nelius said:

 

Fair point at some point but still after today? He was great on pass rush. Is this Ed Oliver becoming the Ed we wanted or just an outlier performance? I don't want him on another team right now that's for sure, I think he's played beyond Shaq Lawson for example

He's blossoming now, especially for people who know DL play and not just number of sacks etc. He's on the verge of becoming a Pro Bowl caliber player-perhaps even this year.

[nucci]

I hate that he celebrates every tackle he makes by jumping up and bring attention to himself. having said that, he makes plays...just wish he was more consistent

[starrymessenger]

Looks to me like he’s starting to come into his own. It usually takes awhile. Jets fans were ready to trade that bust Q. Williams after his first year and a half in the league. Not so much now.

[GunnerBill]

He was outstanding yesterday. Might have been his best game as a pro. The question still is consistency. He needs to put a run of games at that level together to justify a top 10 pick. He is a good player though, anyone who calls him average or non-impactful or anything like that is just plain wrong. If the argument is he hasn't performed at top 10 pick level however then I think that is correct.  

[Bob in STL]

10 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

I think he's done pretty well...

 

Not sure what people expected

Some People expect a pro bowl difference maker because of his draft position.  Unrealistic but true. 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Bob in STL

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

Finally someone on the bills staff said Hey!! This guy is not Pat Williams, he is in the mold of a John Randle, gets throw the gaps with speed and causing guards and centers to be uncomfortable because of his speed off the ball and I believe was a key reason the bills won yesterday because of Ed quickness off the ball caused the dolphins to fumble right before the half.

[Not at the table Karlos]

8 minutes ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

Finally someone on the bills staff said Hey!! This guy is not Pat Williams, he is in the mold of a John Randle, gets throw the gaps with speed and causing guards and centers to be uncomfortable because of his speed off the ball and I believe was a key reason the bills won yesterday because of Ed quickness off the ball caused the dolphins to fumble right before the half.

He needs to shoot the gaps more often. He did that in the beginning of the game yesterday and he was dominant. He really likes to play heads up with a lineman and beat him like that instead of using his quickness and power to just blow by them and shrug them off if they get a hand on him. I think some of it is scheme/coaching tho. 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Not at the table Karlos

[MAJBobby]

On 10/19/2021 at 10:02 PM, JohnNord said:

Overall, I’m a little disappointed with what we’ve seen from Ed Oliver.   Last year, some had theorized that his lack of production was the result of not having a true 1TDT to take on blockers.   Well Star is back and is having his best season with the Bills, yet Oliver still hasn’t made much more of an impact.  
 

He hasn’t been bad necessarily and can make an occasional splash play.  But he also seems to be a non-factor for long stretches of game and has provided little in terms of a pass rush.  It seems to me that he doesn’t win his matchup enough.  The word on Oliver is that you can take him out of a play completely with a double team.  
 

At this point, if I’m Brandon Beane, I definitely wouldn’t  pick up his option this off-season, unless Ed takes his game to another level this year.   I feel that you can match Oliver’s production with a younger player or a veteran that will sign for a much cheaper deal than what it would take to keep Oliver in town.  

Would you pick up Oliver’s option after this season?

 

Disruptive, he has been very good this year.

[Big Turk]

He is starting to figure it out...I like what I am seeing most games with him.

[Matt_In_NH]

Very noticeable yesterday!

[theRalph]

Try him at guard.

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

He needs to shoot the gaps more often. He did that in the beginning of the game yesterday and he was dominant. He really likes to play heads up with a lineman and beat him like that instead of using his quickness and power to just blow by them and shrug them off if they get a hand on him. I think some of it is scheme/coaching tho. 

Yes he needs to talk to Bruce Smith, because being like Pat Williams, is not his game he does not have the weight Pat did needs to be more like Bruce was when they had him lined up over the guard just use that speed off the ball to get the center thinking.

[TheFunPolice]

2 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

Some People expect a pro bowl difference maker because of his draft position.  Unrealistic but true. 

 

That makes some sense, but I feel like I'm noticing him quite a bit, which is good for a DT

[muppy]

Just now, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

Yes he needs to talk to Bruce Smith, because being like Pat Williams, is not his game he does not have the weight Pat did needs to be more like Bruce was when they had him lined up over the guard just use that speed off the ball to get the center thinking.

I think this is a fantastic idea. I hope it will help bear more fruit for Ed Oliver and the Bills D moving forward. Win Win scenario.....I bet #78 would be into it right? Yeah of course why not? He seems in good health.... make it happen 1BD

 

GO BILLS!~!~!~!!!

[34-78-83]

Probably his best game of the season yesterday! He really stood out a number of times in  a good way.

[78thealltimegreat]

He’s just about the exact same size as Russell Maryland with more explosiveness 

[ndirish1978]

He's worth re-signing. He has not earned huge extension though so I I can see him not coming back. 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, theRalph said:

Try him at guard.

 

I bet he is better at it than Feliciano. 

[DCofNC]

He had a nice game yesterday, gotta have more of that play or he can officially be labeled as a rotational DT with nice upside. Not the guy you pay 15M or a top 10 pick for.  Thought it was a bad pick at the time and I stand by that.  I think this regime has just a little too much pride to not pick up his option, but unless he completely breaks out, they should not.  
 

He joins the growing list of guys they have over drafted and given too much opportunity to.   Thus far, only Allen has been the only early round pick worthy of the position picked.  Edmunds, Ford, Oliver, Eppenessa, and Basham are all looking bad in terms of their production vs the picks to get them.  It’s early on Boogie and Epp, I’ll say Groot looks like a real good pick, but this had better be his floor, not ceiling.  If he keeps growing, that’s going down as a great pick.    If we really get down to it, the first 3 rounds have not been great under Beane, Brown may also be a nice pick, but time will ultimately tell on that.

[Matt_In_NH]

2 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

He's worth re-signing. He has not earned huge extension though so I I can see him not coming back. 

Agreed, this one will be interesting.  This has been his best season IMO, is that because he is figuring it out or because he is working for a potential contract/5th year option?  I guess if he wants to be in Buffalo and the Bills would want him longer term maybe there is a moderate deal (that fans will probably think is too high) that can be struck.

[DrDawkinstein]

My hot take: I'd rather re-sign Oliver than Edmunds.

 

Like mentioned earlier in the thread, Ed has flashed a bunch this year. And has had a couple real solid games, including yesterday. I think he's finally being put in a position to succeed now that Star is back.

 

Definitely picking up his 5th year option and going from there.

 

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by DrDawkinstein

[uninja]

I think he's played well enough to earn getting his 5th year option picked up. Unless he makes the pro bowl this year that option would be ~$10m which I would take any day. This gives you some room to make a decision as he plays on his 5th year option and give you some runway to extend some other folks first (Edmunds).

 

If he keeps playing the way he does I'd come with a 3 year deal and try to make it average out to somewhere between $11-13m a year (would put him top 10-15 range of DT salaries), depending on how the cap shifts I'd like to see if I can get the cap hit down into the 8-9's through various contract negotiation mechanisms (signing bonuses, etc). I think he's worth money, but not top 10 DT money. Mostly due to production and the fact that the Bills run a platoon style defensive line so you gotta be able to spread the money around to 8 guys instead of 4.

[Ya Digg?]

I noticed on several occasions yesterday he was getting double teamed and was still causing problems 

[Greatdane21]

He is undersized for the position, I’d like to see the Bills spot play him a DE on third and long a few times

 

 

[unbillievable]

1 minute ago, Greatdane21 said:

He is undersized for the position, I’d like to see the Bills spot play him a DE on third and long a few times

 

 

 

They tried that in the preseason and it didn't work out.

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

 

They tried that in the preseason and it didn't work out.

 

I mean on like 3 or 4 snaps. I don't think he is a defensive end. He is a 3 tech. But it is a a point that in pre-season they used some really funky pass rush formations with Ed kinda of at a 7 tech and AJE inside stood up next to Harrison at the 3 etc and we have seen almost none of that since the season started. I wonder whether we ever will see it in a regular season game.

[Eastport bills]

Oliver plays with a fire that is infectious and the other defenders feed off of him. He along with Star are giving us a stout middle. He is a player that gets better every year. He has a lot of Aaron Donald in him.

[Rick 'r Mortis]

He's a good.