wppete Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I feel the OLine cost us majorly today, especially the center and left side. Morse was getting dominated and Feliciano and Dawkins looked awful. Though Daryl Williams and Spencer brown fought hard even though some mistakes they at least fought hard. But Dion Dawkins was a major disappointment again especially the 4th down at the end where he Dawkins completely got destroyed and dominated. He lost us this game. We need to address the oline next year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Ya but the D still gave up 34 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Fans travel well to Nashville, the team does not. 3 1 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Was debating starting a topic on that awful effort by Dawkins on the 4th down. He gets paid way too much money to get blown up like that. He really did cost the Bills the game there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Spencer had his worst game today. Still a promising young player. Feliciano should be upgraded at LG. It will help 73 and 60 to be a better player if we had a solid LG. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Fans travel well to Nashville, the team does not. which begs the question… if we place same as the Titans in our respective division, would we play them in OP next season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, QB Bills said: Was debating starting a topic on that awful effort by Dawkins on the 4th down. He gets paid way too much money to get blown up like that. He really did cost the Bills the game there. Yeah something is up with him. It seems like he is disinterested and not serious ad it unfortunate as his position is s very serious position on this team. No wonder he isn’t a captain this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 After the game, I was genuinely wondering if a waiver pick up or poaching someone off a practice squad would actually improve our starting 5. Feliciano is horrible, though it's unfair to single him out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 The OL did cost us today although they still put up enough points to win the game... However, there are bigger fish to fry later in the season.. and even next year... So what is the long term plan with this OL? Morse, Feliciano need to be replaced in 2022.. do they have money left in the cap to do it in FA? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Yep. Our line is a "B"... not terrible, but not great. But having our left tackle AND left guard both blown up ON THE SAME PLAY BY THE SAME PERSON was very disheartening. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I'm starting to wonder if we'll ever have the OL to pretend we have a running attack. I know our RB's are both pretty mediocre but without any run option, teams can drop dbs and ignore the run. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubledd67 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 25 minutes ago, wppete said: I feel the OLine cost us majorly today, especially the center and left side. Morse was getting dominated and Feliciano and Dawkins looked awful. Though Daryl Williams and Spencer brown fought hard even though some mistakes they at least fought hard. But Dion Dawkins was a major disappointment again especially the 4th down at the end where he Dawkins completely got destroyed and dominated. He lost us this game. We need to address the oline next year. Especially on the QB sneak that got Josh stopped on the goal line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: The OL did cost us today although they still put up enough points to win the game... However, there are bigger fish to fry later in the season.. and even next year... So what is the long term plan with this OL? Morse, Feliciano need to be replaced in 2022.. do they have money left in the cap to do it in FA? Creed Humphry could have replaced Morse, but we drafted Basham, and then didn't play him today. likely we draft a center. not sure who we replace Feliciano with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, RyanC883 said: Creed Humphry could have replaced Morse, but we drafted Basham, and then didn't play him today. likely we draft a center. not sure who we replace Feliciano with. I was the biggest critic here about the Basham pick...and would have much preferred Humphrey... Copped a few eye roll emoticons and red crosses at the time though... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 31 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Fans travel well to Nashville, the team does not. That could be a point 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: I was the biggest critic here about the Basham pick...and would have much preferred Humphrey... Copped a few eye roll emoticons and red crosses at the time though... FWIW I was with you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Many issues today especially the lack of leverage. Sometimes being taller isn’t ideal in traffics. Bills could use a high flyer to jump over into piles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: The OL did cost us today although they still put up enough points to win the game... However, there are bigger fish to fry later in the season.. and even next year... So what is the long term plan with this OL? Morse, Feliciano need to be replaced in 2022.. do they have money left in the cap to do it in FA? I agree, Morse, Feliciano and Dawkins need to be upgraded next year. They get absolutely zero push in the run game and their pass pro is just average. I’ve been focusing on Dawkins all year and he is not playing at a high level and looks below average at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Agreed OP. The Oline stunk and it was pretty evident what Daboll thought when they spent most of the 2nd half in max protect. I'll forgive Spencer Brown as he is a rookie, but the rest of the line was pretty much horrible as well and has little excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 The Bills were a hair away from 38 points on the road. The o-line wasn’t the issue. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I'm starting to wonder if we'll ever have the OL to pretend we have a running attack. I know our RB's are both pretty mediocre but without any run option, teams can drop dbs and ignore the run. Hi. I'm the NFL stat sheet. Do you realize this was the first game of the season the Bills didn't run for more than the league average # of rushing yards? Before this game we were #12 for rush yards and YPC. 1 minute ago, Beast said: The Bills were a hair away from 38 points on the road. The o-line wasn’t the issue. "hair away" doesn't get the job done. The OL and the offense in general wasn't the worst problem, but they were disappointing tonight, for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I agree, Morse, Feliciano and Dawkins need to be upgraded next year. They get absolutely zero push in the run game and their pass pro is just average. I’ve been focusing on Dawkins all year and he is not playing at a high level and looks below average at best. Dawkins will be here at the very least in 2022 given his contract and to be fair I am prepared to cut him some slack as he had serious Covid late in the offseason, so Im thinking that this has affected his preparation so far this year I think they will need to move on from Morse and Felciano though... Replace one early in the draft and the other with someone decent in FA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 31 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: Spencer had his worst game today. Still a promising young player. Feliciano should be upgraded at LG. It will help 73 and 60 to be a better player if we had a solid LG. I wouldn’t have never left him on an island against a veteran speed rusher like Dupree. I’d like to see Ryan Bates at center. I’m sure McDermott is pissed that his team got punked!! They have to make adjustments during the bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: "hair away" doesn't get the job done. The OL and the offense in general wasn't the worst problem, but they were disappointing tonight, for sure. The Bills had over 400 yards of offense and scored over 30 points tonight. The o-line had a little something to do with those numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, Beast said: The Bills were a hair away from 38 points on the road. The o-line wasn’t the issue. I dont understand how anyone could watch that game and come to the conclusion that the o-line wasn’t an issue. Josh is terrific at making plays from broken pockets and covers up alot of the poor play from the o-line. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, Beast said: The Bills had over 400 yards of offense and scored over 30 points tonight. The o-line had a little something to do with those numbers. They did, but they also had something to do with 3 FG instead of TD and the failure to convert several "and 1" situations, including the final play of the game. Frankly, if Josh wasn't as good at extending plays and escaping pressure as he is, it would be a lot clearer that the OL needs help. But just to be clear, I've repeatedly made the point that the offense (including the OL) were far from our biggest problem with the L. That would be the unit that couldn't get one single stop in the 2nd half of the game. 10 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Dawkins will be here at the very least in 2022 given his contract and to be fair I am prepared to cut him some slack as he had serious Covid late in the offseason, so Im thinking that this has affected his preparation so far this year Rumor has it that Dawkins had Covid and it affected him, sure, but that he's been leading "the Glamorous Life" and that's been a distraction at times. 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Rumor has it that Dawkins had Covid and it affected him, sure, but that he's been leading "the Glamorous Life" and that's been a distraction at times. Oh ok.. had not head that... Disappointing if true.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 We need to draft OL OL RB in the draft next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Oh ok.. had not head that... Disappointing if true.. I heard it from someone who has some connections. But I don't know if it's true, or whether it affected him for this game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: The OL did cost us today although they still put up enough points to win the game... However, there are bigger fish to fry later in the season.. and even next year... So what is the long term plan with this OL? Morse, Feliciano need to be replaced in 2022.. do they have money left in the cap to do it in FA? Think the long term plan at OL is already in motion drafting guys like Spencer Brown. Dawkins is here, despite tonight, he’s pretty good. Seems like they’re going to have to build around those two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Bob in STL said: Spencer had his worst game today. Still a promising young player. Feliciano should be upgraded at LG. It will help 73 and 60 to be a better player if we had a solid LG. 60 needs to be upgraded. 1 hour ago, Beast said: The Bills were a hair away from 38 points on the road. The o-line wasn’t the issue. They weren't good... BUT Josh was falling before Dawkins fell on him and I really want to know what kind of block was to be had to stop a crashing de... his aim was to plug the gap. He did the job. He got off faster than Dawkins but he sealed the hell out of that B gap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 They were awful and Allen had pressure most of the game. The offense was just off (regardless of the yards & points) and the line was the main culprit. Oh & the defense was bad and Tannehill barely touched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Yes, it was. Interesting that two very similar teams, the Steelers and Titans, have given our line big problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: "hair away" doesn't get the job done. The OL and the offense in general wasn't the worst problem, but they were disappointing tonight, for sure. I disagree strongly. Not only were they a hair away from 38 points, but they also left points on the field earlier in the game with missed open receivers. Stuff like that happens. If Allen sees thise receivers the Bills score in the 40's and are 5-1 and this thread is even more ridiculous. Some fans expectations are not realistic. They are up against professional football players that make millions. They will not dominate every week. There will be occasions where the defense gets the best of the o-line. I felt the o-line played decent last night and I will stand by that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrtonHearsaWho Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 While I agree that the O-line needs to be upgraded in the offseason, I am baffled by the Morse hate in this thread. He has likely been their best and most consistent lineman all season, particularly as a pass blocker. To say "60 needs to be upgraded" is something to hope for I guess but that would be much easier said than done. Now upgrading over Feliciano? Personally I don't think that would be nearly as difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 a well coached physical team always has the advantage on us. guys who get mucky w us and can beat us up physically put us in bad situations and we need #17 to be super man to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Yes we have a pedestrian offensive line. I said after the Steelers game that the line was going to pop up again as a problem and it did again last night. Allen escapes a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 51 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Just put Ike there and let the chips fall where they may….. I can’t take Feliciano anymore…. Really puzzling why they resigned him. He sucks. He was darn good when we originally signed him. Aggressive and a mauler. Whst the heck happened to him? Is it him? Or just overall bad line play makes him look worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Having Josh Allen allows you to put up 30 points without max contract franchise Olinemen. You can’t pay for or have everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I have to wonder if during the Bye, the next 2 weeks, if we don't see a change at LG. Anyone else? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: They did, but they also had something to do with 3 FG instead of TD and the failure to convert several "and 1" situations, including the final play of the game. Frankly, if Josh wasn't as good at extending plays and escaping pressure as he is, it would be a lot clearer that the OL needs help. But just to be clear, I've repeatedly made the point that the offense (including the OL) were far from our biggest problem with the L. That would be the unit that couldn't get one single stop in the 2nd half of the game. Rumor has it that Dawkins had Covid and it affected him, sure, but that he's been leading "the Glamorous Life" and that's been a distraction at times. “The Glamorous Life?” I had to check his social media. And I gotta say - he has just about the most boring FB page of any young rich athlete anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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