Simon Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Philo said: I'd be utterly disappointed if Wildgoose doesn't make it to the PS. That's a name I want to yell and root for in the future. Great name but I thought he looked like he absolutely did not belong on an NFL field. Physically overmatched at every level in every facet of the game. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Speculating, it looks like Phillips and McKenzie will probably to go short term IR given what we know about their injuries and the fact that they kept 5 DTs and 7 WRs. That would open up 2 spots on the roster. Per Joe B, one is for Ferguson. I suspect the other is a TE since they only have two on the roster and Sweeney has been a constant injury concern. So, Hollister would make sense to me. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Siran Neal can play gunner. I keep Kumerow. I feel that Kumerow offers more value to the team. I don’t understand the argument. Both guys (Jones & Kumerow) made the 53. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I wonder who is occupying the "last spot," so to speak. It probably depends on positional need, but I'd probably move Butler if a rosterable player came into play and we needed to lose someone. Biased because I really don't see what Butler offers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 5 hours ago, Scott7975 said: and I just got here so.... am I not allowed to post my opinion because the discussion happened 3 hours ago? What is the time limit on having a comment? 2 hours. 3 hours ago, Passepartout said: Well it seems if you are a 15 year vet or ten year vet like a Tom Brady, you do not play a preseason down. As that you want to rest and in the wanting to being in the highly respected there vet that can enjoy that. A very much rarity. Can I get a translator over here? 3 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: Those puns are likely coming from the older crowd, sir. It’s Past Champions to you, ya punk! 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, vincec said: Speculating, it looks like Phillips and McKenzie will probably to go short term IR given what we know about their injuries and the fact that they kept 5 DTs and 7 WRs. That would open up 2 spots on the roster. Per Joe B, one is for Ferguson. I suspect the other is a TE since they only have two on the roster and Sweeney has been a constant injury concern. So, Hollister would make sense to me. We don’t know anything about McKenzie’s injury outside of what McD told us. Not sure how you can conclude he’s headed to IR. My gut tells me he’ll be ready to go for week 1 but I also don’t have anything to support that Edited September 1, 2021 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I don't really understand our TE situation, but am otherwise cool with all of this. I wasn't even big on Hollister I honestly don't understand how we're going to proceed with only two TE. He's got to either be coming back or they have plans for somebody else. Yeah Gilliam, so maybe 2.5 TE, but it's not going to be enough. I wasn't really ready for this much Sweeney, but Let's go Tommy, I'm rooting for ya. He's definitely going to see more action than I expected. If he's really #2, he's probably going to see a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Nelius said: I don't really understand our TE situation, but am otherwise cool with all of this. I wasn't even big on Hollister I honestly don't understand how we're going to proceed with only two TE. He's got to either be coming back or they have plans for somebody else. Yeah Gilliam, so maybe 2.5 TE, but it's not going to be enough. I wasn't really ready for this much Sweeney, but Let's go Tommy, I'm rooting for ya. He's definitely going to see more action than I expected. If he's really #2, he's probably going to see a lot. Honestly, I believe this has to be the plan,. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 So once Harry and McKenzie (?) are given the IR designation and Ferguson/Hollister (?) are signed back to the roster, who do the Bills cut once the IR designees are able to return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: So once Harry and McKenzie (?) are given the IR designation and Ferguson/Hollister (?) are signed back to the roster, who do the Bills cut once the IR designees are able to return? I'd file that under the "let's not worry about it until we need to" category. Maybe others will be dinged up by then (hopefully not, but realistically probable). Some will be performing better or worse than the FO originally believed. It should work itself out. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: So once Harry and McKenzie (?) are given the IR designation and Ferguson/Hollister (?) are signed back to the roster, who do the Bills cut once the IR designees are able to return? Butler! It's what I'd do, so it won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 12 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: A strong ST unit translates into good field position which translates into more trips to the red zone. We certainly benefitted from that last season. At least on paper, it doesn't look like we're going to start on ST as strong as last season, even with Jones. It's easy for fans to undervalue special teams, but it's a lot more than just kicking into the end zone. Actually it depends on how defenses play. If defenses play loose between the 20's and very tight inside red zones yards gained is not so important. Now if ST block kicks, take away ball from returners and on kicks put ball deep in redzone it is different. Bills used to be rated as top ST team because it had players and schemes which could do things like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 My prediction is we IR Harrison Phillips and Tommy Sweeney, using the vacant roster spots to re-sign Ferguson and Hollister. Sweeney will be kept on IR all year. When Phillips is healthy I think we will cut or trade Vernon Butler to put Phillips back on the roster. I also predict we will sign a veteran CB in the next few days and cut Tyrel Dodson to make room for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Warcodered said: Wonder if maybe this is because he's got contacts/connections with Ferguson who's been here years but not with Hollister who's only been here this one camp. Maybe Wawrow and Buehler have a contact and can break the story 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 5 hours ago, dneveu said: I think Gilliam is a TE Didn't we go thru a deal with McD saying Gilliam was a TE, don’t call him a FB? Now he’s a FB? Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 7 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Siran Neal can play gunner. I keep Kumerow. I feel that Kumerow offers more value to the team. Yes you have two gunners on each kick and punt. The Bills have two of the best in the league in Neal and Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 6 hours ago, CEN-CAL17 said: All these “just didn’t do enough during preseason “….. What does Taiwan Jones do? His job. And he does it better than most other gunners in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: His job. And he does it better than most other gunners in the NFL. Spatial awareness, that "GPS" to find the football like they say with Rousseau, is an important attribute for a gunner and it is not off the charts with Taiwan Jones. I'm guessing he plays physical and combined with his speed that's why they like him. The ball skills aren't great. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: His job. And he does it better than most other gunners in the NFL. It is just…fantastic and sad that some people just can’t STILL see the guy’s worth. After he makes the team year after year…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: It is just…fantastic and sad that some people just can’t STILL see the guy’s worth. After he makes the team year after year…. Its really just proof of how few fans actually pay attention to anything other than following the football. Edited September 1, 2021 by eball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: Spatial awareness, that "GPS" to find the football like they say with Rousseau, is an important attribute for a gunner and it is not off the charts with Taiwan Jones. I'm guessing he plays physical and combined with his speed that's why they like him. The ball skills aren't great. Hmm. He seems to end up around the ball plenty for someone who needs their GPS fixing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, eball said: Its really just proof of how few fans actually pay attention to anything other than following the football. Used to be worse for me when there were cheerleaders. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said: It is just…fantastic and sad that some people just can’t STILL see the guy’s worth. After he makes the team year after year…. What happens every single offseason is fans fall in love with certain fringe roster players. It happens every year with guys who are going to be the 5th, 6th, hell even 7th option at a particular spot. Then they try and fit them onto the 53 they have in their heads and in order to make them fit the special teams guy is the "easy" cut. There are a lot of posters I respect whose takes I am generally pretty aligned with who think Jake Kumerow likely has more impact as the 6th receiver on this team than Taiwan Jones does as a starting gunner. That is crazy to me. If you look at the two receivers who spent time on this roster last year as their 6th and 7th choice guys - Kumerow and Andre Roberts - they were targeted a combined 6 times over the course of the season. 6 targets. The year before they carried 6 receivers all year with Roberts as the 6th and he was targeted 7 times the entire year. I just can't buy that a guy in that spot on the depth chart is giving you more than a starting gunner. None of which is to say I didn't want Kumerow and Stevenson on this team. I had them both making it and Jones making it and that is how it transpired. But the next thing will be outcry when Taiwan Jones is active week 1 and Stevenson plus either Kumerow or Breida is not. To me Jones is a starter. I consider certain positions on special teams - the two gunner spots, the personal protector on punt team and the return man (or men if you have separate kick and punt returners) - as starters. I'm not giving up my starter in any of those spots for a depth player somewhere else. Now of course you should always be trying to find guys for those spots (and for your wedge positions on punt return and for your wing protectors on punts etc) who can also give you valuable depth on offense and defense. But the Bills have done a really good job at that. Jones is the only guy on this roster (aside from the 3 specialists once Reid is restored) who is there without offering that depth elsewhere. You can't keep 4 or 5 guys like that, I agree. But you can keep 1 when he is as effective as Jones. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: Spatial awareness, that "GPS" to find the football like they say with Rousseau, is an important attribute for a gunner and it is not off the charts with Taiwan Jones. I'm guessing he plays physical and combined with his speed that's why they like him. The ball skills aren't great. One of the only guys who actually made a play in the AFCCG. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: One of the only guys who actually made a play in the AFCCG. I mean come on look - his GPS was busted on that play. A good gunner with spacial awareness would have been 3 mm closer and actually impacted the play 🤦♂️. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Why not IR him again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: I mean come on look - his GPS was busted on that play. A good gunner with spacial awareness would have been 3 mm closer and actually impacted the play 🤦♂️. I don't know. I thought Neal was exactly where he needed to be...😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rochesterfan Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: Why not IR him again? IR him before the 53 man roster? They don’t want to do that because then he is done for the season (can’t practice or get called up) and since his “injury” allowed him to practice before the packers game - the player and agent could seek an injury settlement and the Bills would lose him. IR him on the 53 - then they would of had to cut another player and hope they will not sign and give them an option to come back and that made little sense for a guy that because of injury will most likely clear waivers and be available for the PS. IR was the least likely option once he made it back to practice last week - in my opinion. Edited September 1, 2021 by Rochesterfan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: His job. And he does it better than most other gunners in the NFL. It’s almost like you have an affinity for gunners or something 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 32 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: Why not IR him again? If they IR him, he can't practice with the team. The man needs reps if he's gonna develop as an NFL WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 13 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: I was 51/53 on the initial 53-man. I had them keeping Hollister, not Sweeney, and obviously I didn't see the temporary Ferguson cut coming. But, did you pick Taiwan Jones? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Philo said: I'd be utterly disappointed if Wildgoose doesn't make it to the PS. That's a name I want to yell and root for in the future. His play did not standout while playing against 3-4 string players. He should get a spot on the practice squad but he really showed little in the preseason Edited September 1, 2021 by Bob in STL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 6 hours ago, BobbyC81 said: Didn't we go thru a deal with McD saying Gilliam was a TE, don’t call him a FB? Now he’s a FB? Weird. Then he ran the ball a bunch in that game when all the running backs were hurt. So now he's a running back. 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SECRET SQUIRREL Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 15 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: "Almost lost me a $400 dollar hand cart!" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 21 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: His play did not standout while playing against 3-4 string player. He Ishtar get a spot on the practice squad but he really showed little in the preseason I thought he performed poorly against Detroit, but showed some improvement against Chicago and GB. Not enough improvement to warrant a spot on the 53 - I agree with McBean on that . Though I think he's worth a PS spot to try and develop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 56 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: But, did you pick Taiwan Jones? Of course. He was a rested starter during the preseason and Beane referred to him as "elite" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 8 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: So once Harry and McKenzie (?) are given the IR designation and Ferguson/Hollister (?) are signed back to the roster, who do the Bills cut once the IR designees are able to return? Phillips might not come back. I had him making the roster and not Zimmer. But Phillips just has not been good. My guess is they injury settlement him in a few weeks. 2 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Phillips might not come back. I had him making the roster and not Zimmer. But Phillips just has not been good. My guess is they injury settlement him in a few weeks. I disagree actually. I am not the biggest Harrison Phillips guy but I thought he looked good in pre-season before getting hurt. He seemed to have a bit more burst than before. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 7 hours ago, GunnerBill said: His job. And he does it better than most other gunners in the NFL. He had 7 special team tackles last season. That tied him for 69th in special teams tackles. I would have kept an extra CB or safety over Jones. But honestly none of the DBs they cut deserve to make the team either. 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I disagree actually. I am not the biggest Harrison Phillips guy but I thought he looked good in pre-season before getting hurt. He seemed to have a bit more burst than before. Hope so. Zimmer seems like a coach favorite so that would only leave Butler as the odd man out at DT. But like others said, just give it time and see who gets dinged up in the first few weeks 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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