Westside Madness Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 I don't ask this question lightly. This may be also be the first or second OP I have posted. McDermott has obviously brought this team together and his relationship with Beane is amazing. That being said, is Daboll and his offensive system seem more important than McDermott and his, both, defensive skills and HC acumen to the Bills long term. Impulsively. I want to assume and fully expect the Bills to let Daboll walk into a new HC job with Tribisky as his QB and we will fill that OC gap with someone, but this offense is humming. Like a well tuned classic car. Are we confident that we can survive Daboll's absence? Just now, Westside Madness said: I don't ask this question lightly. This may be also be the first or second OP I have posted. McDermott has obviously brought this team together and his relationship with Beane is amazing. That being said, is Daboll and his offensive system seem more important than McDermott and his, both, defensive skills and HC acumen to the Bills long term. Impulsively. I want to assume and fully expect the Bills to let Daboll walk into a new HC job with Tribisky as his QB and we will fill that OC gap with someone, but this offense is humming. Like a well tuned classic car. Are we confident that we can survive Daboll's absence? This actually reads better than I expected it to...Vodka!! 3 6 1 4 9 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 What's good, gents? What's good? YE OLE just got off the phone with St. Doug and he said "Obviously, McDermott... obviously." 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Keep McDermott! 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Wouldn’t be the same if you didn’t quote yourself. Great job. 6 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 McD took over a crap team with a crap culture and built into one of the best clubs in the AFCE. I like Daboll but this isn't a hard decision. 7 5 5 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Why is this a question? Daboll will get promoted to HC by someone who has a vacancy. The Bills have a HC...McD. 5 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Why is this a question? Daboll will get promoted to HC by someone who has a vacancy. The Bills have a HC...McD. All I got to say is... @Chandler#81 I DIDNT CREAT THIS ONE! lol Edited August 23, 2021 by PrimeTime101 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Doc said: Why is this a question? Daboll will get promoted to HC by someone who has a vacancy. The Bills have a HC...McD. ..because the OP wants attention and this stupidity will get a bunch of people rushing here to answer it 2 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 McDermott is a great leader and his players follow him. He’s a top 5 HC in the league. Has some flaws but his positives outweigh his negatives by a lot. 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) It’s not something the Bills will even consider. They’re not firing McDermott 1 year removed from an AFC East championship (for the 1st time in decades) and being 1 game away from the Super Bowl. and that’s not even considering how good they might do this year... they’re going to fire the head coach if he has a 10+ win season and playoff appearance? No. But even if they had a down year they’re not moving on from McDermott. If they lose Daboll my guess is that they’ll promote Ken Dorsey and try to keep the same basic offense in place. Edited August 23, 2021 by BillsFan4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patzen Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 We have a top 5 head coach, a top 5 GM, a top 5 WR, and a top 5 QB. Our OC position would be one of the most coveted jobs in the NFL. I'm not terribly worried about replacing Daboll. But we'll probably just promote Ken Dorsey anyways. 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, Westside Madness said: I don't ask this question lightly. This may be also be the first or second OP I have posted. McDermott has obviously brought this team together and his relationship with Beane is amazing. That being said, is Daboll and his offensive system seem more important than McDermott and his, both, defensive skills and HC acumen to the Bills long term. Impulsively. I want to assume and fully expect the Bills to let Daboll walk into a new HC job with Tribisky as his QB and we will fill that OC gap with someone, but this offense is humming. Like a well tuned classic car. Are we confident that we can survive Daboll's absence? This actually reads better than I expected it to...Vodka!! Yep I am fully confident. They are grooming behind Daboll. And Josh and the rest of the offense isnt leaving with Daboll. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: ..because the OP wants attention and this stupidity will get a bunch of people rushing here to answer it He has like 300 posts. I don't frequent this place enough to know if he is an attention seeker, if so my apologize. I do frequent it enough to know these type of responses are far too common. Little support for new members, no value posts, just bla, less than even an OP that is off base as far as you describe. Every post somebody doesn't agree with the topic on has one of these. 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Oh, the ratio. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, patzen said: We have a top 5 head coach, a top 5 GM, a top 5 WR, and a top 5 QB. Our OC position would be one of the most coveted jobs in the NFL. I'm not terribly worried about replacing Daboll. But we'll probably just promote Ken Dorsey anyways. Too bad we don’t get draft picks for white coaches being promoted to other teams, along with POC’s...it would kind of soften the blow imo... Edited August 23, 2021 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Westside Madness said: I don't ask this question lightly. This may be also be the first or second OP I have posted. McDermott has obviously brought this team together and his relationship with Beane is amazing. That being said, is Daboll and his offensive system seem more important than McDermott and his, both, defensive skills and HC acumen to the Bills long term. Impulsively. I want to assume and fully expect the Bills to let Daboll walk into a new HC job with Tribisky as his QB and we will fill that OC gap with someone, but this offense is humming. Like a well tuned classic car. Are we confident that we can survive Daboll's absence? This actually reads better than I expected it to...Vodka!! I like Daboll but it’s not even close for me. You keep McD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) You seriously want to discuss the removal of our coach? No offense, but this topic ought be inline for worst of the year. McDermott is a respected leader of men, an instigator of great culture and happens to be the founding fella who restored our club to the cusp of greatness. Edited August 23, 2021 by foreboding 3 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 McDermott and to me its not close. We can always find another coordinator that runs the Erhardt Perkins offense playbook. Basically its the same offense system that Brady used in New England with some read option concepts added. Look at all the OC's that Bellicheat has used when Brady was the QB and the Brady didnt lose a beat. I feel like as long as we keep Ken Dorsey and promote him to OC we will be fine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Dorsey will do fine as OC next year, especially. Mitch and Daboll will ride into the sunset together with superbowl rings. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Both McDermott and Daboll have got substantially better over three seasons. Almost the ascension of Josh. McDermott was not a good game day coach in his first and a lot of his second season. He was making Nathan Peterman decisions early. He’s far, far better now. As is Daboll. Daboll and McDermott’s job became a lot different last year when they had their guy at QB and it was year 3-4 in the systems. Totally different job. Right now, with Dorsey in the wings, we can afford to lose Daboll more IMO. But Daboll has become an excellent play caller which is a tough job and cannot be taught. Dorsey has never really done it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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QB Bills Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Lots of McDermott fan boys here, as expected. The answer is Daboll though and that will become apparent in a few years. No chance it happens but I'd rather promote him to HC and let McClappy walk. Nice guy but still old school. Coaches scared and he's not great when it comes to in-game decisions either. If the Bills come up short this season, he'll be the main reason why. And let's correct some revisionist history that he took over a disaster of a team. The Bills went 7-9 and 8-8 with an absolute joke of a coaching staff before he arrived. 3 1 3 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Westside Madness said: I don't ask this question lightly. This may be also be the first or second OP I have posted. McDermott has obviously brought this team together and his relationship with Beane is amazing. That being said, is Daboll and his offensive system seem more important than McDermott and his, both, defensive skills and HC acumen to the Bills long term. Impulsively. I want to assume and fully expect the Bills to let Daboll walk into a new HC job with Tribisky as his QB and we will fill that OC gap with someone, but this offense is humming. Like a well tuned classic car. Are we confident that we can survive Daboll's absence? This actually reads better than I expected it to...Vodka!! I thought the same thing...weed!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 West Side boy, better stick to Santasiero's offerings and less vodka. McD is going nowhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 There is potential for sustained greatness with the team and McDermott is probably the most important person making that happen. Dabol is an superb coordinator for our personnel. This is a no brainer, McDermott is not replaceable without changing the whole makup of the team. He's the man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Some people shouldn’t be allowed to make threads. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Westside Madness said: I don't ask this question lightly. This may be also be the first or second OP I have posted. McDermott has obviously brought this team together and his relationship with Beane is amazing. That being said, is Daboll and his offensive system seem more important than McDermott and his, both, defensive skills and HC acumen to the Bills long term. Impulsively. I want to assume and fully expect the Bills to let Daboll walk into a new HC job with Tribisky as his QB and we will fill that OC gap with someone, but this offense is humming. Like a well tuned classic car. Are we confident that we can survive Daboll's absence? This actually reads better than I expected it to...Vodka!! We still have both. But since you asked- McD and it is not even close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Let's see... one has a proven track record of winning in the NFL and leading his team to the playoffs multiple times, including the AFC Championship game. The other is an offensive coordinator who has no track record as an NFL head coach. Should be a simple answer. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: McD took over a crap team with a crap culture and built into one of the best clubs in the AFCE. I like Daboll but this isn't a hard decision. This. Daboll's good, but this isn't close. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 I'm more critical of McDermott than most on this board. Prior to the 20-21 season I thought he was a white Marv Lewis. He made poor in game decisions (punting in OT of the snow game vs Colts), awful at challenges, poor clock management, and generally was overly conservative. So much happened in 20-21 to change my mind about McDermott. He was willing to take (reasonable) chances by going for it on 4th downs. He was willing to abandon the run game and rely on the pass game. He even got better at clock management and challenges. If we have to chose between McD and Daboll as head coach the answer is McD 100 times out of 100. Their are so many other potential OC's out there that would succeed with Allen, Diggs, et al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, QB Bills said: Lots of McDermott fan boys here, as expected. The answer is Daboll though and that will become apparent in a few years. No chance it happens but I'd rather promote him to HC and let McClappy walk. Nice guy but still old school. Coaches scared and he's not great when it comes to in-game decisions either. If the Bills come up short this season, he'll be the main reason why. And let's correct some revisionist history that he took over a disaster of a team. The Bills went 7-9 and 8-8 with an absolute joke of a coaching staff before he arrived. So, your argument is that they weren't a disaster before he got here, that they were on the low side of mediocre? With a culture that had kept them bad to mediocre for decades? Fair enough. And stilll an excellent argument for McDermott. He changed the seemingly unchangeable. Daboll really is an excellent OC, an OC who was hired by McDermott, by the way. Against a ton of resistance from many many Bills fans. An awful lot of Bills fans after 2018 thought that the lack of offensive production meant Daboll was doing a bad job. Not McDermott though. Daboll hasn't shown anything beyond that at this point. A very fine OC with a chance to be more in the future. McDermott has shown he's a top-rank NFL head coach, right up among the very best in the league. Edited August 23, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 McBeane works, DaBeane doesn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Prior to the 20-21 season I thought he was a white Marv Lewis. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Forgot to start with "Hear me out." 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) Oh please. The Falcons, Redskins, and Eagles have done very well since their "hot" offensive coordinator left. Best case scenario is Tua fails miserably this year. Daboll takes over the Fins job and goes 0-17 because Tua still sucks. Daboll comes crawling back here after Dorsey gets the Cowboys HC opening in 2023. Edited August 23, 2021 by Doc Brown 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Is this on? 'Cos it's about to be on! 1 hour ago, QB Bills said: Lots of McDermott fan boys here, as expected. The answer is Daboll though and that will become apparent in a few years. No chance it happens but I'd rather promote him to HC and let McClappy walk. Nice guy but still old school. Coaches scared and he's not great when it comes to in-game decisions either. If the Bills come up short this season, he'll be the main reason why. And let's correct some revisionist history that he took over a disaster of a team. The Bills went 7-9 and 8-8 with an absolute joke of a coaching staff before he arrived. The biggest reason the Bills have succeeded in the last 5 years is Sean McDermott. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billyboy Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 This is a no brainer, Daboll. When McDermott came he was a DEFENSIVE coach. Since he's been here the defense slowly got WORSE. When Daboll came he inherited the WORSE offense in the NFL. Now they have a top 3 offense. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billyboy Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Bill Belichick! The best in the business. No one else is even close. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Billyboy said: Bill Belichick! The best in the business. No one else is even close. Brilliant first post probie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Why can't we have nice things? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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