McShay- Bills trying to move up above 23 for Etienne

[BigAl2526]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Beane is a lot smarter than moving UP to craft a RB in the first round! 

 

At least I sure as hell hope he is! 

 

 

If he could actually craft a QB, he's smarter than any of us, regardless of the round.  Drafting a running back is another story.

[Doc Brown]

Could force a team like the Fins to take him in the 1st thinking he won’t be there in the 2nd.  Increases chance of guy falling to us.

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, 947 said:

McShay is a complete buffoon. It boggles my mind that someone pays him to do draft analysis.

 

That said, trading up from 30 to 23 would cost st least a 3rd rounder. I see no way Beane would ever consider that, I bet he laughed his butt off when he read McShay's take.

The same McShay that mocked us a LB a few days ago. I agree Todd isn't the smartest draft analyst out there

 

Edited April 26, 2021 by The Jokeman

[NewEra]

37 minutes ago, Logic said:

Dude scored 78 touchdowns in college. 78!

I'm not on Team "round 1 RB" at all, but if ETN winds up a Bill, I'm not gonna whine and cry over their having added a player with that kind of scoring productivity to this offense. 

That’s where I’m at.  He could be the missing piece that takes this offense to another level.  If he happens to be just that and turns into an Alvin Kamara type player but faster....I’ll be really happy about it when we win the SB

[In Summary]

Little draft capital to begin with and offering more valuable 2022 picks (should that be the path) seems a poor trade.  This rumor only has legs due to Beane's inability to not trade up and a belief that the RB, not the O-line, is the key to an improved running game.  I get the whole speed/receiver running back thing, but there are likely metrics on O-line performance and yards after first contact for RB's that need to be factored in. 

 

Historically speaking, Thurman would have better yards after contact than Emmett Smith, but didn't win the rushing titles like Emmett.  Emmett had the better (Dallas) O-line.  Barry Sanders was likely the best RB of the era yet he had Detroit's line so was the RB really the key to a better running game?  Of course Thurman led the league 4 years in a row in total yards so he was that multi threat, but who thinks that the Bills or any modern offense will structure their offense around a RB when they have a star QB and prefer downfield passing? 

 

I see the "draft a RB in the 1st round" narrative as one being driven by lazy/sensational sports writers and the general dislike of fans wanting to draft non-glamorous positions for the IOL and DT positions.  Arguably, the Bills are comfortable with an average running game and will perhaps reason that a solid young IOL will help the running game in addition to keeping Josh upright.  I'm not suggesting that the Bills will draft IOL at 23 or 30, only that they would have to give up picks that are better spent on Morse and Star replacements.

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, dorquemada said:

I trust Beane on this.  My gut says they need a dynamic playmaker more than anything, and because of the rest of the offseason moves have the room for a bit of a luxury pick.  I like Moss & Singletary but neither of them are game breakers, and neither one is keeping DCs up at night.  Etienne & Harris are. 

I’m not disputing that Etienne (or Harris) are good players, but neither seems that good to me that they should trade up for them.

 

I appreciate that a really dynamic RB could meet DL in the backfield faster than Singletary or Moss, but I’m not sure that either Etienne or Harris are the missing piece to unlock another 3 points/game on offense.  To be clear, I agree that both are a bit better prospect - especially in receiving game - than the Bills’ current crew, but I don’t think either are true game changers.

 

Now, at 30 if no DE or CB on their board is worth the pick, then by all means stack the RBs up against WRs, OL, LBs and any other positions.

[Tom obrien]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio&list=PLmBtQqvxus1h7rVTWo9NBIJnY_O-YRKnB&index=822

[Turk71]

2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Etienne would be a strange pick, because it means Beane admitting he failed on two running back selections. I understand the need for a dynamic playmaker, but they could have went for speed, instead they went with Moss and Singletary. 

You can keep replacing rbs or you could build a line that can actually move people.

  A beast of a guard could do more for the running game than a better running back imo.

[Governor]

Just now, Turk71 said:

You can keep replacing rbs or you could build a line that can actually move people.

  A beast of a guard could do more for the running game than a better running back imo.

You could do both too.

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Harris is a stud. Breida is one of the fastest RBs in the league and he’s here already, so that’s not “the” key element in the Rb equation.

 

 

Etienne is a much better fit in outside zone though, IMO.   And.......ya' know.......c'mon.......what are they going to switch backs out for every down based on what they all do well?    

 

Both RB's would be a terrible idea......but remember.........Beane is Gettleman's first born........can't rule it out til you can rule it out.

[YoloinOhio]

Todds, Ranked:

1. Todd the neighbor from Christmas Vacation

2. Willis (Todd Bridges)

3. Todd packer from The Office

4. Todd Chrisley (Chrisley knows Best)

5. Todd the son from Wedding Crashers 

6. 

 

[Milanos Milano]

1 hour ago, teef said:

i have not had my daily piston whipping yet.

That happens a lot when you go to Detroit. 

[Green Lightning]

1 hour ago, FFadpecr said:

 

How does a top CB or top DE help Josh Allen?

 

The #1 goal of Brandon Beane is to help his Franchise QB.

By keeping the other team from scoring every time they have the ball so Josh doesn’t have to score every time we have the ball. 

[John from Riverside]

I would not be for this but Beane has totally earned the benefit of the doubt

[DrDawkinstein]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Todds, Ranked:

1. Todd the neighbor from Christmas Vacation

2. Willis (Todd Bridges)

3. Todd packer from The Office

4. Todd Chrisley (Chrisley knows Best)

5. Todd the son from Wedding Crashers 

6. 

 

 

Ouch. And accurate.

[SCBills]

In terms of picks, if we draft a RB, I highly doubt Singletary is here for very long.  
 

We can probably get back a 4th in ‘22 or a 5th in ‘21 for him. 

[DrDawkinstein]

I just went back and watched some Etienne highlights again. And dang it, if he doesnt look like exactly the type of player Beane would get excited over. I dont know now.... Beane's smokescreens are working!

 

For reference, lots of catches for big chunks of yards. Tell me these receptions wouldnt fit right in here...

(bonus, no obnoxious soundtrack)

 

 

[Builder Bill]

Moss and Singletary are vanilla backs that cannot get to the edge. I'd be fine with this pick

[OldTimer1960]

9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I just went back and watched some Etienne highlights again. And dang it, if he doesnt look like exactly the type of player Beane would get excited over. I dont know now.... Beane's smokescreens are working!

 

For reference, lots of catches for big chunks of yards. Tell me these receptions wouldnt fit right in here...

(bonus, no obnoxious soundtrack)

 

 

Watching highlights is not “scouting”.  Everyone’s highlights should look great, else they aren’t really highlights.

 

Here are highlights from a major draft disappointment.

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/aaron-maybin-highlights-469524

 

Edited April 26, 2021 by OldTimer1960

[BigBuff423]

I’ll also say this: Beane clearly indicated the run game was an issue, and then he signed back three starters on the Offensive Line. IMHO, that signals that Beane’s opinion is that it wasn’t entirely the Offensive Line that failed to create opportunities for the run game. So maybe, the RBs are more of an issue than we - as fans - thought they were. 

[appoo]

30 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Etienne would be a strange pick, because it means Beane admitting he failed on two running back selections. I understand the need for a dynamic playmaker, but they could have went for speed, instead they went with Moss and Singletary. 

 

Not at all. You don't draft a RB in the rd thinking he's gonna be pro-bowl back - you do it because you think that RB is gonna be a good complement to the game plan, rather than a focal point.

 

Moss and Singletary - with better blocking - would have perfectly fulfilled that role.

 

You draft a RB in the 1st round because you view that guy as someone who's going to be one of your top 2 weapons to use in your game plan.

 

That's why drafting ETN is legit. The Bills, for all their fireworks, don't have a great #2 weapon right now. Emmanuel Sanders is a risk because of age, while Gabe Davis is a risk because you're not sure what you'll get with him in year 2, while neither RB - as noted above - is there to be a real weapon.

 

I'm not sure about trading up to get a RB as a position in general, but I do agree with trading up to grab a legit weapon. Whether that be ETN (because of his ability to change the game as a pass catcher) or that kid from Florida or perhaps even Rashod Bateman.

 

You could also see a corner if you see Farley or Newsom sitting there. Not gonna trade up for these edge defenders

[njbuff]

6 minutes ago, appoo said:

 

Not at all. You don't draft a RB in the rd thinking he's gonna be pro-bowl back - you do it because you think that RB is gonna be a good complement to the game plan, rather than a focal point.

 

Moss and Singletary - with better blocking - would have perfectly fulfilled that role.

 

You draft a RB in the 1st round because you view that guy as someone who's going to be one of your top 2 weapons to use in your game plan.

 

That's why drafting ETN is legit. The Bills, for all their fireworks, don't have a great #2 weapon right now. Emmanuel Sanders is a risk because of age, while Gabe Davis is a risk because you're not sure what you'll get with him in year 2, while neither RB - as noted above - is there to be a real weapon.

 

I'm not sure about trading up to get a RB as a position in general, but I do agree with trading up to grab a legit weapon. Whether that be ETN (because of his ability to change the game as a pass catcher) or that kid from Florida or perhaps even Rashod Bateman.

 

You could also see a corner if you see Farley or Newsom sitting there. Not gonna trade up for these edge defenders

 

Cole Beasley is a great number 2 weapon, but he was hurt at the end of the season and it cost the Bills against the Chiefs.

[Solomon Grundy]

28 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Todds, Ranked:

1. Todd the neighbor from Christmas Vacation

2. Willis (Todd Bridges)

3. Todd packer from The Office

4. Todd Chrisley (Chrisley knows Best)

5. Todd the son from Wedding Crashers 

6. 

 

Don’t forget the GOAT, James Todd Smith aka LLCoolJ

[foreboding]

1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Horrible move, trading up for an RB.  If you really want an RB, you wait for them to drop to you at 30, then pick Harris or Etienne, whichever is left, or whichever you want more. 

I completely understand this sentiment. But... IF OBD thinks we need a game-breaking talent, and IF we are talking about a rare RB who can do it all, then have some trust. 

 

Imagine if we had a Tyrek Hill type player on this offense?

[Thurman#1]

If they do this, it'll be disappointing.

[Dablitzkrieg]

54 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Didn't Beane say in his presser our top pick could be for the future? I smell BS Todd!

 

In all fairness,  he used the word could,  not will.

They need to get rid of Singletary imo.  Absolutely do NOT trade for a RB though.   That would be dumb AF

[Thurman#1]

15 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

I’ll also say this: Beane clearly indicated the run game was an issue, and then he signed back three starters on the Offensive Line. IMHO, that signals that Beane’s opinion is that it wasn’t entirely the Offensive Line that failed to create opportunities for the run game. So maybe, the RBs are more of an issue than we - as fans - thought they were. 

 

 

Again, the five guys they expect to start this year on the OL played not one single snap together last year. There really is a very legit reason to blame things mostly on the OL and yet to re-sign the guys they re-signed.

[appoo]

2 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

Cole Beasley is a great number 2 weapon, but he was hurt at the end of the season and it cost the Bills against the Chiefs.

When I think of game-planning, I think of the slot WR as a position to free up your weapons, or take advantage of when your weapons are getting over defended.

 

The way I'd go about is:

 

Given:

 

• A slot WR who hurts defenses when given space
• RBs who are good enough when defenses don't lock into the run

 

#1 - Diggs

#2 - TE or X WR

#3 - Slot/RB

 

I think Beasley gets so much work because the Bills don't have that viable #2 weapon, and because Diggs is so good he can open up space for Cole to exploit.

 

I think if the Bills could fill that #2 slot with a legit 1st round weapon, it makes the offense a whole lot better. Whether that's because Safeties and backers have to a step more towards/into the box because they fear ETN could get loose into the 2nd level even against 7-8 man fronts, or it's because the opposing coverage can't safely slant coverage towards Diggs without fear of getting burnt on the weakside...that's what you're looking for.

 

Creating space and potential for your #1 weapon, with a real #2 weapon.

[Solomon Grundy]

Me if OP title is correct 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

So I fully believe that Beane is calling around trying to see what it would take to move up in the draft and take "their guy if he's there"

That's due diligence

 

Not so sure I believe the player they want has been correctly identified

 

 

[appoo]

Just now, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Again, the five guys they expect to start this year on the OL played not one single snap together last year. There really is a very legit reason to blame things mostly on the OL and yet to re-sign the guys they re-signed.

Ike Boettger is a lot of things, but good Run Blocker ain't one of them and neither is Mitch Morse really.  Getting a healty, and more experienced Cody Ford at RG is pretty big

[YoloinOhio]

McDermott on the etienne rumor:

 

“Good football player. I can’t guarantee we will draft Travis. There is no guarantee he will be alive when we are on the clock.”

[Buffalo Junction]

Could be ETN. Could be Landon Dickerson. Could be on of the CBs. I’m sure Beane has called around and checked on who might be willing to trade and for what value. Given the track record he may very well trade up for certain guys. In any case, I’ll reserve judgement until the rookie plays. 

[nedboy7]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

“Like they have done to this team for 3 years in a row now.” Yeah, I read it. Wasn’t germane to my point, but if it makes you feel better, I read it. 

 

its a joke my friend. 

[Logic]

 

 

Edited April 26, 2021 by Logic

[Reed83HOF]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So I fully believe that Beane is calling around trying to see what it would take to move up in the draft and take "their guy if he's there"

That's due diligence

 

Not so sure I believe the player they want has been correctly identified

 

 

No one knew Allen or any other pick of ours; they are air tight there..

 

Now has a team told someone we called, it's possible, but would they know who we want? Not a chance in hell. It feels like somewhere along the chain someone attached Etienne's name

[NewEra]

35 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I just went back and watched some Etienne highlights again. And dang it, if he doesnt look like exactly the type of player Beane would get excited over. I dont know now.... Beane's smokescreens are working!

 

For reference, lots of catches for big chunks of yards. Tell me these receptions wouldnt fit right in here...

(bonus, no obnoxious soundtrack)

 

 

Hahaha.  Was thinking the same thing.  He’s also just the kind of guy that I’d love to add to this offense. Maybe we could score every time we got the ball?  No need for defense 

[starrymessenger]

2 hours ago, folz said:

Yeah, with how tight a ship our front office is these days, my gut says this is a smokescreen and makes me think Etienne is probably not the player they're interested in. 

Agree...and I hope that other player is Jaelan Phillips. 

Edited April 26, 2021 by starrymessenger

[K-9]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

If anyone is really certain that Beane won't draft a RB in round 1 and wants to make some "easy money"...
 

 

Awesome. I’m putting a buck down on long snapper. 

[jimmy10]