Wyatt Teller 1 of the Best OG in NFL .

[T master]

When they picked Teller for some reason i just liked the guy i was hoping he would stay a Bill but because they felt they had others that would fit in quicker that he was expendable i wish even more now he would have stuck .

 

I've heard on broadcasts that he is considered one of the best offensive guards in the league which is awesome for him i think he would have been a great get to have on the Bills for a long time but things happen in the NFL .

 

I can't even remember why he was traded i don't think it was because he was a slacker could some one refresh my memory the circumstances around his trade.

 

I am just glad to here he is that highly regarded it's just to bad that Beane hit on another draft pick but it was for a different team !! 

 

I hope there hasn't been another post on this subject .

[Freddie's Dead]

For some reason, there are guys that get in McD's doghouse.  Pufnstuf is the best current example of that.  Best pass-catching TE we have, but he's inactive every week.  Teller was just one of those guys.

Edited January 18, 2021 by Freddie's Dead

[The Jokeman]

He wasn't getting playing time here. In part we had Spain and Mongo and Ford ahead of him on the depth chart. We traded him for extra draft picks which you could say helped us get Diggs. 

[Matt_In_NH]

The Bills had an abundance of interior OL at that time.  Too many to keep so they traded a couple for picks.  In hindsight, they traded the wrong guy in this case.  No one gets to live with a time travel machine however.

[298Woody]

We also let Logan Thomas go to excel in Washington.

 

[GunnerBill]

Teller is one of the best run blockers in the NFL. He is only average in pass pro. This offense is built for the pass and the line is built to pass protect. Would he start for us currently? Yep, I'm sure he would. But is he a huge mistake? Not for what we want to do and where his strengths are. 

2 minutes ago, 298Woody said:

We also let Logan Thomas go to excel in Washington.

 

 

After he failed at Detroit as well in the meantime you mean....?

[Bferra13]

5 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

For some reason, there are guys that get in McD's doghouse.  Pufnstuf is the best current example of that.  Best pass-catching TE we have, but he's inactive every week.  Teller was just one of those guys.

Who's pufnstuff lol? Kroft? I thought that was Dareus' nickname lol.

[whatdrought]

He couldn’t make our team.... why is it so hard for people to realize that sometimes guys just need a reset?

 

he wasn’t good last year for the browns, and then when stefanski and Bill Callahan came in something clicked for him. 
 

He had every chance to succeed here and he couldn’t hack it.

[Bob in STL]

Ah, the legend of Wyatt Teller continues to grow.  Yes, this has been covered numerous times.  
 

He is good.   One of the best?   Probably not.  
 

He was 4th on our depth chart at that time and his pass blocking was considered barely average. He is gone now and his picks were used as partial pay for Diggs.  
 

let’s move on.  

[teef]

fire everybody?

[klos63]

3 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

He couldn’t make our team.... why is it so hard for people to realize that sometimes guys just need a reset?

 

he wasn’t good last year for the browns, and then when stefanski and Bill Callahan came in something clicked for him. 
 

He had every chance to succeed here and he couldn’t hack it.

He was with the team for 1 season. To say he had 'every chance' is a bit of a stretch.

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

He couldn’t make our team.... why is it so hard for people to realize that sometimes guys just need a reset?

 

he wasn’t good last year for the browns, and then when stefanski and Bill Callahan came in something clicked for him. 
 

He had every chance to succeed here and he couldn’t hack it.

 

Well Callahan is a hell of a line coach always has been. But also the run heavy and zone blocking scheme is perfect for Teller.

[Ralonzo]

If the Teller after his first offseason training with the Browns had been a Bill he’d still be a Bill. He got serious, something that may or may not have happened without a change of scenery.

 

https://www.brownsnation.com/wyatt-teller-dominating-for-browns-in-first-two-weeks-of-season/

 

 

 

 

[Back2Buff]

That's based on PFF grades, which we all know the accuracy of those.  Decent player, but Cleve's line stinks in pass protecting, including Teller.

[BuffaloBill]

7 minutes ago, teef said:

fire everybody?

 

 

But, what would this board then do? 

[Mat68]

They have a lineman friendly scheme.  Also, his pass blocking is meh.  He was thrown into Mayfields lap on this last pass as well.  He is miles behind the kid from Indy who is the best guard in the sport.  I would take Mangos versitility over Tellers runblocking.  Buffalo is a pass first team.

[T master]

20 minutes ago, mattynh said:

The Bills had an abundance of interior OL at that time.  Too many to keep so they traded a couple for picks.  In hindsight, they traded the wrong guy in this case.  No one gets to live with a time travel machine however.

 

True i wish we did have a crystal ball though because looking back given what happened with Spain i wish he would have been the one they traded instead i just liked the Teller pick and was rooting for him while he was here and still will as long as they aren't playing the Bills !! 

[Rc2catch]

I was all set to bring some things up in this thread but gunner Bill has covered both points I wanted to make quite well with teller and Logan Thomas. 
Id like to add with Logan that he had a great season, but he had 90+ targets in their offense. Someone has to put up stats in a team with very few weapons. Knox arguably could make a huge impact with 90+ targets in a season and put up good numbers. Logan can’t do much here with 2 targets a game. 

[DJB]

14 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

That's based on PFF grades, which we all know the accuracy of those.  Decent player, but Cleve's line stinks in pass protecting, including Teller.

 

Bingo. 

 

If you look at the Bills oline we have very solid pass protection lineman but maybe aren't the best in the run game.

 

Teller didn't fit the mold we were building. Great run blocker and poor pass blocker 

[Magox]

16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Teller is one of the best run blockers in the NFL. He is only average in pass pro. This offense is built for the pass and the line is built to pass protect. Would he start for us currently? Yep, I'm sure he would. But is he a huge mistake? Not for what we want to do and where his strengths are. 

 

After he failed at Detroit as well in the meantime you mean....?

 

I'm a day one believer of Beane, especially so after the Watkins trade and everything he did despite all the teeth gnashing from the peanut gallery after his year one moves.  With that said, the Teller trade for me was one of the more disappointing moves (not in hindsight) but at that actual time.  He was known in college to have that mean nasty streak and in training camp.  He did struggle against the pass as you mentioned but my thoughts were that he had the potential to be a good guard in this league.  Never did I think he'd be All Pro but I did believe he could be a good one.  It's ok, I won't continue to belabor the point and second guess Beane because everything he does is methodically calculated which I love in decision makers but if I had to choose one move that I second guessed at the time it was trading away Teller.   Kudos to Cleveland for targeting Teller in that trade.

[junior]

Beane's not gonna bat 1.000 - no GM is.

 

He has far more hits than he has misses 🤷‍♂️

[teef]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

But, what would this board then do? 

some would have a ball!

[Real McClappy]

For me all this shows is how good Beane and co. are at doing their jobs. We can't keep everyone and they know how to bring in serious talent. 

 

It's been way, way to long since we could say that.

Edited January 18, 2021 by Real McNasty

[Hapless Bills Fan]

31 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

For some reason, there are guys that get in McD's doghouse.  Pufnstuf is the best current example of that.  Best pass-catching TE we have, but he's inactive every week.  Teller was just one of those guys.

 

"Get in McD's Doghouse" 🙄

 

Here's an article written at the time

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/29/bills-trade-wyatt-teller-to-browns/

 

"Buffalo has depth at the position after adding Spencer Long, Quinton Spain and Jon Feliciano in free agency and using a second-round selection on Cody Ford"

 

At the time of the trade, all 3 of the first guys mentioned were arguably more proficient pass-blocking guards.  Pass blocking was more important to the Bills at that time than run blocking.

 

McDermott and coaches also value positional flexiblity. 

 

Teller has really developed well since then, and in hindsight they would certainly have kept Teller over Long or Spain, but that wasn't how it looked at the time.

[Blokestradamus]

Is this where I pat myself on the back for being the original Wyatt Teller fanboy?

[Freddie's Dead]

30 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

Who's pufnstuff lol? Kroft? I thought that was Dareus' nickname lol.

 

Look up HR Pufnstuf on Wikipedia.  It's a deep reference.

[streetkings01]

I’m cool with Feliciano and Ford(when healthy) at guards. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Numbers game that camp. Sucks. Never got a chance. 

1 minute ago, streetkings01 said:

I’m cool with Feliciano and Ford(when healthy) at guards. 

Feliciano jumping all over the interior has been helpful. He's filled in everywhere. 

 

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Freddie's Dead]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

"Get in McD's Doghouse" 🙄

 

 

Eyeroll if you must, but McD has favorites.  Remember when he kept playing Vlad and we couldn't figure out why?  Spencer Long and Quinton Spain are long gone.  We blew it on Teller, for whatever reason.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

I’m cool with Feliciano and Ford(when healthy) at guards. 

Ford was coming on right when he was hurt. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Eyeroll if you must, but McD has favorites.  Remember when he kept playing Vlad and we couldn't figure out why?  Spencer Long and Quinton Spain are long gone.  We blew it on Teller, for whatever reason.

 

Bad example.  McDermott delegates offensive decisions to Daboll.  Daboll delegates to his coaches.  Now "Teflon Juan" Castillo was hired by McDermott before he hired the OC and was inherited by Daboll along with a number of the offensive coaches.  Castillo was noted for being a stickler for using HIS blocking technique and downmarking players who didn't do it "his way", which, since Ducasse was brought in by Castillo to teach his technique, presumably he did.

 

It's not "McD has favorites" it's McD delegates to his OCs who delegate to their assistants, and they have some freedom as long as they "get the job done".  Castillo didn't and he went out the door after the 2018 season.

 

Then, after Beane brought in a huge FA talent infusion, it became delegated to Bobby Johnson.  It was clear they had too many people, and at the time, their evaluation of who was likely to make the team (including positional flexibility) put Teller lower than other guys.  He was gonna start the season as a backup, and when the Bills look at OL backups they look at positional flexibility.

 

In hindsight, was he better than guys we kept, absolutely.   Some days you the windshield, some days you the bug. Would he have developed the same way on a team that uses a different blocking scheme and puts far more value on pass than on run blocking?  Maybe not. 

 

But it's not "get in McD's doghouse" that drives it.

 

20 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

Is this where I pat myself on the back for being the original Wyatt Teller fanboy?

 

Permission to Pat Self On Back granted

[Doc]

I liked the pick and thought he could become a good OG.  Was surprised they traded him but oh well.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

One thing I remember about Teller was his mom was super mad when he got traded— I remember she went to Twitter to express her displeasure. 

[Rochesterfan]

7 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

Eyeroll if you must, but McD has favorites.  Remember when he kept playing Vlad and we couldn't figure out why?  Spencer Long and Quinton Spain are long gone.  We blew it on Teller, for whatever reason.

 

I would rather have Diggs and Bass than Teller.

 

Teller would have been cut here if not traded.  Heck last year he was so bad in Cleveland in pass blocking (and run blocking) that he was one of the worst Guards in the league.  Does he survive in Buffalo on a pass first team last year?

 

Do you think if we kept him and got rid of Spain last year the Bills make the playoffs?  Spain gave up no sacks and very little pressure and Mayfield was calling for Tellers head and the interior of the Cleveland line was awful.

 

What changed was bringing in Stefanski and a run first, run second, and play action offense that allowed Teller to be a run oriented guard.  He still is below average in pass protection and was marched straight back into Mayfield several times on Sunday.  Teller also has no position flexibility- so he is a liability on the Bills OLine where they want guys that can play multiple positions.

 

Congrats to Teller for what he has done and you can go root for him, but I don’t think or a second the Bills blew it on Teller - I think they recognized his strengths and his Weaknesses and got something for him rather than outright cutting him.  His Weaknesses would put him on the bench and his strengths do not fit in with the offensive scheme Dabol runs.

 

So bye bye 👋.

 

[Peter]

FWIW - to those saying that Teller was traded because he was not as good in pass blocking, he is rated above our guards in pass blocking as well according to PFF.

 

I do recall that Teller was well liked among his fellow players on the Bills.  I cannot say why he was traded rather than someone else -- too bad they did not trade Spain instead.  

 

Given that Teller really excels in run blocking (and is rated a better pass blocker), it would have been nice to have him on the team - especially given the state of our running game.  Teams have to make tough decisions and, as with many things in life, we sometimes wish we did one thing rather than another.

 

Although the above is true, we are in the AFC Championship Game and one game away from the Super Bowl . . . so things are not so bad.  😀  

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

20 minutes ago, Peter said:

FWIW - to those saying that Teller was traded because he was not as good in pass blocking, he is rated above our guards in pass blocking as well according to PFF.

 

I do recall that Teller was well liked among his fellow players on the Bills.  I cannot say why he was traded rather than someone else -- too bad they did not trade Spain instead.  

 

Given that Teller really excels in run blocking (and is rated a better pass blocker), it would have been nice to have him on the team - especially given the state of our running game.  Teams have to make tough decisions and, as with many things in life, we sometimes wish we did one thing rather than another.

 

Although the above is true, we are in the AFC Championship Game and one game away from the Super Bowl . . . so things are not so bad.  😀  

 

 

Its hard to say what happens if stays. Blocking schemes are very important, much like coverage schemes for DBs. One size doesn't fit all. 

[SCBills]

Teller is where he should be.  He's an elite run blocker and meh pass blocker.  

 

We pass 80% of the time.  

[Buffalo Barbarian]

I liked Teller and wasnt happy when he was dealt and we could use him now but we are in a good spot .

 

 

[JMF2006]

You can only keep 53 plus 10 on the PS.

 

He would not be a PS player for long as he would get claimed.

 

The only thing you can do is trade the player and get some value.

 

Beane drafted the guy he knew he had potential.

[Big Blitz]

Watched him every single snap yesterday.  I've seen him several times this year.  Much more yesterday.

Absolutely nothing special in pass pro at all.  Most of the game no one was lined up on him...so he was either picking up blitzes, helping with stunts, or double teaming.  Feet aren't great and I wasn't impressed with how he did any of those things.  Benefits from being next to 2 all pros. 

 

His run blocking was OK.  He's better suited to be on a team that will run it half the time.  

 

As mentioned here already if you can't pass protect in this offense you're expendable.