ToGoGo Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 hours ago, WideNine said: His hypothesis seems to be that Josh didn't get better the Bills coaching staff did, which is moronic or perhaps he just is not articulating his observations well. Cowherd looks like he has been on a alcoholic bender over his Covid isolation. Coaching around Allen has stayed consistent. I would get behind a statement that any rookie QB with the potential to improve to a franchise level of play better realizes that potential when they land on a stable team with good coaches that know how to leverage their innate abilities (and surround them with the right talent to help realize that potential). Somewhere lost in his calculation is that QBs have to put in the work, have to be "coachable", and have to show that they are taking that coaching and successfully applying it to their performance on the field. The potential was there, but Allen was not accurate early on (in the NFL sense of touch, anticipation, throwing receivers open, and mechanics) - he held the ball too long, locked onto receivers, did not throw with anticipation, rifled late passes off the mark, resorted to bailing and running for his life, could not read defenses. All these things he shouldered and worked his tail off to improve and he did improve them dramatically. Saying it was just coaching really devalues the effort it took for Allen to get to where he is now. A really bad oversimplification of how QBs can be successfully groomed in the right system. Well said. This new narrative of "the coaching and organization is what made Josh Allen" is just side-stepping for those that were so off about Allen. "I wasn't wrong about Allen, it was just the organization has managed him so well!" What a boring narrative! How about "Allen proves all doubters pathetically wrong and is becoming an absolute superstar QB who is exciting to watch". We will see the new narrative collapse once Daboll gets a job somewhere else and Allen continues to defy expectations. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 5 hours ago, Bferra13 said: Whats a Nick Wright? Well - I don't own one, but I know if you wind it up it talks about Lebron James endlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 4 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: I was expecting to come to this thread to see comments from @JaCrispy; @BigDingus; @Nextmanup; @Gene1973; @MOVALLEYRANDY; @FireChans; @C.Biscuit97 and the rest of the "Josh Haters" crew. Wrong thread I guess, or perhaps they loosened the grip on their perceived bias. I love Josh silly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 5 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said: Here's another Bills hater Keyshawn Johnson. I didn’t hear anything to out of line there. Both made solid points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 5 hours ago, Sharky7337 said: But you clearly comb through posts looking for negative stuff to say. I always say that people get the replies from me that they deserve. And you deserve that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: I always say that people get the replies from me that they deserve. And you deserve that. Ya well come to NC and tell me that in person and ill give you what you deserve. Tool. Edited December 9, 2020 by Sharky7337 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Sharky7337 said: Ya well come to NC and tell me that in person and ill give you what you deserve. Tool. I can only imagine how much more hard hitting this post was before your edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: The Josh haters are out in full force today? You must be looking extremely hard. Didn't look to hard. Watched sports shows this morning while working on national media. My point to starting the discussion is how the people who refuse to change their opinions on pre draft and cling to shifting measures of success as their argument. Edited December 9, 2020 by Sharky7337 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Eh. Who the ***** cares. Let it go man. Its a forum. You don't have to care. You can not post in the thread if you don't care. Its really simple. Others may want to discuss it. Thats what a message board is. Yes you yourself cared enough to comment on what gmfb said about the chiefs bills. So how is that any different? Your contradicting yourself. Edited December 9, 2020 by Sharky7337 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 5 hours ago, The Wiz said: Likely what they have been saying since he's more accurate now. "he hasn't had a signature game" I really liked one person who used that excuse and said he hadn't beat the patriots yet. Shows how much they pay attention. I don't know what a signature win is but I'd say he's had half a dozen this year. If Tua had a game like Josh's San Fran game ...all the media lackeys would be in sheer ecstasy ball washing him all week long. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: The Josh haters are out in full force today? You must be looking extremely hard. looking for love in all the wrong places Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 I saw this in one of the San Francisco area papers today. Another amazing Josh statistic, if true. I didn't click the NFL Research link as Twitter is blocked on my work laptop: "It was Allen’s third game this season with at least 375 yards, three touchdown passes and at least a 130 passer rating. Drew Brees in 2013 is the only other quarterback in history to have three such games in a season, according to NFL Research." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 30 minutes ago, Unforgiven said: If Tua had a game like Josh's San Fran game ...all the media lackeys would be in sheer ecstasy ball washing him all week long. For sure. I had espn on the TV most of the day today while recovering from my victory celebration last night and Allen got his fair share of washing. The long and short of it is some guys accept when they are wrong and others don't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Never underestimate the lengths our fans will go to feel slighted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, QCity said: Never underestimate the lengths our fans will go to feel slighted. It's a slap in the face! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Sharky7337 said: Nick Wright on first things first still trashing Allen. Skip Bayless says baker is better. Steven A wasn't to bad. But they just keep moving the bar. Its amazing after a solid performance multiple times they still in some cases cannot give the man credit. Brandon Marshall laughing in Nick Wright's face was nice to see. I think Marshall might know a bit more about QB play than Wright does. Bayless doesn't believe anything that comes out of his mouth. It's all just to generate views. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Ha ha nick Wright and skip Bayless Two clowns.. who gives a ***** what those two turds think 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said: Here's another Bills hater Keyshawn Johnson. His main argument of why he doesn't think the Bills could ever beat the Chiefs is because the Chiefs have more prime time games and he sees their highlights more often. Just wow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Who the ***** is Nick Wright? Sounds like you need a better watch list He’s the #1 Chiefs fan who gets to talk on TV and radio. Maybe he feels threatened? Hmmmmmmm........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 7 hours ago, teef said: I’ve heard nothing but wildly positive things about josh today. This. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: I was expecting to come to this thread to see comments from @JaCrispy; @BigDingus; @Nextmanup; @Gene1973; @MOVALLEYRANDY; @FireChans; @C.Biscuit97 and the rest of the "Josh Haters" crew. Wrong thread I guess, or perhaps they loosened the grip on their perceived bias. you left out greggtx but nextmanup is definitely the king of this take Edited December 9, 2020 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, MJS said: His main argument of why he doesn't think the Bills could ever beat the Chiefs is because the Chiefs have more prime time games and he sees their highlights more often. Just wow. He was saying that he feels like the Chiefs are better but maybe it's not real, maybe that feeling is a result of just seeing them more often, a kind of cognitive bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: He was saying that he feels like the Chiefs are better but maybe it's not real, maybe that feeling is a result of just seeing them more often, a kind of cognitive bias. Which in its own right is a reason he has no valuable opinion. I watch the bills and who they play. That doesn't make me an expert on any of the teams they play but I can make real time comments in the game threads. Didn't he also say we need to beat NE in Foxboro even though we already beat them in Buffalo this year? Not sure why location matters with no fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, The Wiz said: Which in its own right is a reason he has no valuable opinion. I watch the bills and who they play. That doesn't make me an expert on any of the teams they play but I can make real time comments in the game threads. Didn't he also say we need to beat NE in Foxboro even though we already beat them in Buffalo this year? Not sure why location matters with no fans. CLEARLY, they are intimidated by the ever-present train horn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 7 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Cian Fahey is like a dog with a bone. He's not letting go. I honestly never heard of this guy till yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I honestly never heard of this guy till yesterday He used to be a regular on Schopp's show. Mike liked his negative take on Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/08/national-reactions-josh-allen-buffalo-bills-win-primetime-san-francisco-49ers/ National reactions to Josh Allen, Bills' win on primetime over 49ers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: If your views are down to "Cian Fahey", Nick Wright and Skip Bayless.....its time to consume less TV/sports opinion. But some books. God's Coach: The Hymns, Hype, and Hypocrisy of Tom Landry's Cowboys https://www.amazon.com/dp/0671708961/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glc_fabc_Jfd0Fb8K299JQ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 49 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I honestly never heard of this guy till yesterday His name pops up every six or ten months, when he says something that confirms his known stupidity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 55 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: He used to be a regular on Schopp's show. Mike liked his negative take on Allen. Mike is an utter and complete tool but even he’s come around on Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Mike is an utter and complete tool but even he’s come around on Allen Grudgingly. Even today he was going on about how he can't believe the Bills are actually good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 9 hours ago, Bferra13 said: Whats a Nick Wright? The little known electric triangle player from Pink Floyd. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, The Wiz said: Didn't he also say we need to beat NE in Foxboro even though we already beat them in Buffalo this year? Not sure why location matters with no fans. Because the Patriots are "relentless in their pursuit of a competitive advantage" and "things just happen when you play in Foxboro" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, BananaB said: I stopped watching it all. I turn to the channel when the games are on and that’s it. To be honest, I’d rather read the views of the public on message boards and in comment sections on social media then listen to the so called experts and former players.... Exactly! If I want real Bills coverage and opinion I'm coming to this website! I'd much rather hear y'all opinions than Skip Bayless💯 8 hours ago, RyanC883 said: ESPN still has sports shows? I know a guy that knows a guy that says they do 🤷🏻♂️...😂 Edited December 9, 2020 by JerseyBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 10 hours ago, wjag said: What were the reasons given? Nick Wright says he doesnt trust Josh Allen basically......he is a turd....ignoring the year progression and reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Why do so many of you feel threatened when someone says something negative about one of the bills players? 😂😂😂😂😂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 10 hours ago, Gordio said: On Getup Jeff Saturday, Mcelroy, Green & Canti all were blown away and couldnt say enough nice things about Allen. Saturday said " Allen is special" Mcelroy said the growth in Allen is so fun to watch & even jay Green who is a diehard Jet Fan said "Allens developement is an organizational success story." C'mon Man! If you're gonna mention it, post it. It was a great video and I loved how they compare Cam's 2015 MVP season to Josh's current season. Josh is blowing Cam's numbers away by a significant margin. If Mahomes wasn't, well......Mahomes, Josh would most likely be the front runner. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Why do so many of you feel threatened when someone says something negative about one of the bills players? 😂😂😂😂😂 Threatened no Confused? Yes.....when you have someone come out and say something negative after a nearly 400 yard 4 TD performance (in a win) and you find a way to marginalize? If its just to piss people off and get clicks......I guess at least I would understand it even if I didnt like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Dear Bills fans, want a reasonable assessment of Allen? Listen to Romo and Kubiak, and just about any ex QB instead of the clowns being talked about in this thread. Heck Terry Bradshaw is no Allen fan, he just stops talking when Allen is playing well so that is a good thing for everyone. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 When these idiots compare Allen to Newton, you know they have no idea what the hell they are watching with Allen. Allen is NOTHING like Newton. Allen is a brand all his own and really isn’t comparable with any other QB. All I know is that someone is going to try and take him out of action moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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