JerseyBills Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) That play is my biggest knock on McDermott for this game. We were up, it was close enough to challenge and we only got 3 on that drive. I still don't know why he didn't try. I thought it would for sure it was a TD And just shows the gameplan and coach were great, that a play like that was my biggest problem with the game. Also shows how dominant we were . We could have put up 50 Edited November 10, 2020 by JerseyBills 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Was a weird play. Instead of rushing to the line they should have looked at it to see if worth a challenge. McClapper probably would like to have that one back for sure. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: That play is my biggest knock on McDermott for this game. We were up, it was close enough to challenge and we only got 3 on that drive. I still don't know why he didn't try. I thought it would for sure it was a TD I believe they rushed to the line to get the Seahawks D off balance, which was the right call, assuming the refs git their call right-- which at the moment, it really did look like Davis had stepped out of bounds. It was only on slo-mo replay, a play later, that you could see that he had not dropped his heel, and was inbounds. But, even with that, there is no guarantee that the call would have been reversed. It was very close. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Since he really can't see it, someone upstairs needs to tell him to throw it. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Since he really can't see it, someone upstairs needs to tell him to throw it. Yup. Also I think some of the blame is Gabe Davis. He should have told them that he thought he scored! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, letsgoteam said: Yup. Also I think some of the blame is Gabe Davis. He should have told them that he thought he scored! Never thought about Davis...you’re right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, letsgoteam said: Yup. Also I think some of the blame is Gabe Davis. He should have told them that he thought he scored! Yeah the squeaky wheel gets greased............there are some players who are too passive......hopefully that's not the case with Davis. It's not pretty looking to work the refs but by not indicating that he thought he scored it might have discouraged the Bills from checking the replay. That's two TD's he should have had the past two weeks..........he dropped that gimme against NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Never thought about Davis...you’re right. Thanks, I figure with the type of culture that the Bills have, that a player can advocate on something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 The announcers kept saying he had lost 15 of 18 challenges. McD has one of the worst challenge conversations in the NFL. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Learned something new on that play. When they first showed the replay I was 100% sure that it couldnt be challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, letsgoteam said: Yup. Also I think some of the blame is Gabe Davis. He should have told them that he thought he scored! he prob had no idea if he was in or not. This is 100 percent on the staff. Someone in the booth needs to tell McD to throw the flag. 16 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: The announcers kept saying he had lost 15 of 18 challenges. McD has one of the worst challenge conversations in the NFL. he’s too afraid to throw it now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, letsgoteam said: Yup. Also I think some of the blame is Gabe Davis. He should have told them that he thought he scored! I doubt he could know for sure if a blade of white grass touched his shoe as he looked forward to defenders and the end zone. It was a bang, bang situation. Try to rush to score or slow down to get a better look. Replay is so sketchy, I don't know what the result might have been. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 40 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Since he really can't see it, someone upstairs needs to tell him to throw it. And Fox has to get a replay on before the next play. The Bills don't have their own private video setup. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Way too risky. Don’t think it was super clear, we were 1st and goal Inside the 5, and we couldn’t lose a TO on a lost challenge there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I would assume that his “spotters” didn’t see a good replay, just as we didn’t, until after the next play was snapped If we have the ball, 1st and goal and 1, we should QB sneak 4 times in a row. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 59 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: he prob had no idea if he was in or not. This is 100 percent on the staff. Someone in the booth needs to tell McD to throw the flag. he’s too afraid to throw it now. It feels like it's definitely in his head. I see doubt in that department Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DQW87 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 The players have got to have their input in on close plays and have some kind of signal to the coach to help out. Signal you might want to take a closer look at that upstairs so they can slow down the huddle a little for extra time. Coaches can't catch everything especially when the plays way over in the corner of the opposite side. Even on plays you think might go against you, there should be a hurry up signal from any receiver that thinks they may have gotten away with a trap catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: he prob had no idea if he was in or not. This is 100 percent on the staff. Someone in the booth needs to tell McD to throw the flag. he’s too afraid to throw it now. The boys upstairs are going to have their hands full trying to convince Sean in less than 10 seconds to throw that flag next time. He's failed so often he's gun shy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: The announcers kept saying he had lost 15 of 18 challenges. McD has one of the worst challenge conversations in the NFL. Thats Lehner shootout bad 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 McDermott has a major game management/clock management flaw. He doesn't really have a grasp on that, which is a concern. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Many things happening at once. Do you burn a TO on a questionable overturn when you have it on 1st and goal from the one? You go hurry-up, giving the booth coaches less time to see the review. I'm pretty sure they have to rely on CBS to cue up the reviews. Bottom line, you sneak it in on 1st down, instead of a slow-developing off tackle play that loses 3 yards. I'm OK with McD not challenging it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Many things happening at once. Do you burn a TO on a questionable overturn when you have it on 1st and goal from the one? You go hurry-up, giving the booth coaches less time to see the review. I'm pretty sure they have to rely on CBS to cue up the reviews. Bottom line, you sneak it in on 1st down, instead of a slow-developing off tackle play that loses 3 yards. I'm OK with McD not challenging it. Personally I never saw a clear angle that he was in. They didn't show a lot of angles. I didn't hate the non challenge there. I would have had Josh Allen just sneak in for a TD which is nearly 100% successful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 It was first and goal on the 1. My guess is to rush to the line and get the quick score yields higher results than a challenge and potential free time out for Seattle. Hindsight is 20/20 and I have no problem admitting that I would have never even thought of challenging it until Mike Pereira said it was a TD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) Definitely the job of his spotters in the booth. No way Davis could tell, he knew he was extremely close to being OOB. On first down I would spread the defense with 3 wide and then go with Moss quick hitter to the left, not Singletary to the right which was the play call. Edited November 10, 2020 by Bob in STL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 4 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: Was a weird play. Instead of rushing to the line they should have looked at it to see if worth a challenge. McClapper probably would like to have that one back for sure. Sometimes when you are 3-17 on challenges, you hold yourself back. It happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 5 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: And Fox has to get a replay on before the next play. The Bills don't have their own private video setup. Yeah, we're not the Patriots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: The announcers kept saying he had lost 15 of 18 challenges. McD has one of the worst challenge conversations in the NFL. Sean doesn’t trust New York anymore, nor do I. Just punch it in from the One with goal-to-go. Just my $0.02 Edit: sorry so hard to understand @Karlos Edited November 10, 2020 by r00tabaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 More SCREWAGE by the officals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Way too risky. Don’t think it was super clear, we were 1st and goal Inside the 5, and we couldn’t lose a TO on a lost challenge there. See I’d say you are right, but how many times have we watched him challenge spots for his defense? Spots that he had zero business challenging, but did so because he felt like the the challenge could turn the momentum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 After the Rams' phantom INT along with the new one for the Ravens, do you really trust the replay booth to overturn this ACTUALLY close play and not waste our time out? Was this play clear and obvious enough for them to reverse the call on the field? We were playing their darling Seahawks, not a chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Bob in STL said: Definitely the job of his spotters in the booth. No way Davis could tell, he knew he was extremely close to being OOB. On first down I would spread the defense with 3 wide and then go with Moss quick hitter to the left, not Singletary to the right which was the play call. Where are the spotters sitting they couldn’t of seen that his heel which was over the sideline did not touch in live action. There is no way anyone live - not right down next to the play would have seen anything close. The spotters needed the replay to see it on slow mo and without the fans in the stadium - replays are not being shown as quickly in stadium - so teams are missing out. I still have not seen any video evidence that shows TD. We see the heel in, but the camera angle shows the ball maybe going over the pylon - maybe not - hard to tell without a video shot along the sideline to go with the field shot so it could be pieced together. Pereira stated that he may have won it, but the league has tended to stay a lot with the call on the field. They upped the evidence required to overturn with a new group running replay in NY. I still am not sure it gets changed and therefore people would be killing him for making a challenge and failing because it was close. Edited November 10, 2020 by Rochesterfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Personally I never saw a clear angle that he was in. They didn't show a lot of angles. I didn't hate the non challenge there. I would have had Josh Allen just sneak in for a TD which is nearly 100% successful. I didn't see "daylight" between his foot and the white turf on the views they did first have. All it takes to fail that challenge is the possibility for the tip of a single blade of fake white grass to touch his foot. So yeah, keep the reeling defense on their heels and rush to shove it in with Josh rather than burn a time out giving them a breather. *edit* Also, didn't see clear evidence of the ball going over the pilon. Too many moving parts and maybes on this one. Edited November 10, 2020 by 1ManRaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Bigger question is why didn't they just bring moss on and run it up the gut 3 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: I believe they rushed to the line to get the Seahawks D off balance, which was the right call, assuming the refs git their call right-- which at the moment, it really did look like Davis had stepped out of bounds. It was only on slo-mo replay, a play later, that you could see that he had not dropped his heel, and was inbounds. But, even with that, there is no guarantee that the call would have been reversed. It was very close. This. Live, it looked like he was out. Nobody questioned it till after they'd lost the chance. Edited November 10, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 10 hours ago, letsgoteam said: Yup. Also I think some of the blame is Gabe Davis. He should have told them that he thought he scored! Davis had no way to know. He wasn't looking at his foot or anywhere close, and even if he was he couldn't have seen underneath the foot to see exactly which part of his foot had been down. About all he could've said was, "Maybe. If I was out it wasn't by much, but dunno, really." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBillsFan Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 He showed confidence in his team to get the yard on first down and if they caught the D off guard they would get in anyway. Not a bad strategy to show confidence and gain an advantage. Didn't work, but odds were in his favor to run the play, and not to throw the challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 The ref was right there and McDermott has the worse challenge record in NFL history. If it's close the ref is suppose to signal TD so the review becomes automatic. Didn't matter we scored anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: The announcers kept saying he had lost 15 of 18 challenges. McD has one of the worst challenge conversations in the NFL. Exactly and that was my whole point. We didn't need the 4 extra points Sun but if we're in January, I'd like to see coach take that risk and potentially lose the Timeout. I thought it was close enough to warrant a look. I hope that his challenge woes and percentage isn't in the back of his head and will potentially hold him back from throwing it 14 minutes ago, uticaclub said: The ref was right there and McDermott has the worse challenge record in NFL history. If it's close the ref is suppose to signal TD so the review becomes automatic. Didn't matter we scored anyway We didn't score on that drive. A FG, yes Edited November 10, 2020 by JerseyBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 10 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Since he really can't see it, someone upstairs needs to tell him to throw it. How in the hell can't he see something 70 yards away and when Davis gave no indication to have anyone thing he was inbounds? This is the problem with McDermott. They should cut their losses now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, uticaclub said: The ref was right there and McDermott has the worse challenge record in NFL history. If it's close the ref is suppose to signal TD so the review becomes automatic. Didn't matter we scored anyway We didn't score on that drive. A FG, yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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