Week 6 Postgame Thread KC at Bills

[vincec]

I have to confess that I was worried this week when I heard Micah Hyde say that "If they knew what the problem was on defense they would fix it." It brought back all kinds of horrible flashbacks to the Chan Gailey days. Did not inspire confidence.

[daz28]

Just now, EmotionallyUnstable said:

 

Disagree. 

 

I like Single alot, and think he has some serious shake to his game. 

 

That being said, he will NEVER bust one 50+ to the house. He is a motor, and will chug along, but cannot be relied upon to provide a spark. 

I don't understand that people can't see he's made to meet a LB in the hole and make him look silly.  He has no holes this year.  We've already seen him do it

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, y2zipper said:

Allen is regressing and needs to figure it out. For all the talk of the defensive gameplan, Buffalo made a choice and it largely kept them in the game in spite of Allen missing all over the field. This is 2 weeks in a row under 20 points and they have no chance to win with that scoring output.

 

Both teams had the same defensive game plan and it worked to contain the QB and WR production of their opponents offense.  The difference was that KC was able to rely on their TE and RB to take up the slack.  It meant the chiefs weren't going to be throwing it all over the field but they still had over 450 yards of offense, nearly 40 minutes of TOP, 250 yards rushing and scored 26 points.  It was a Bills death in slow motion.

 

In contrast the Bills are bottom 5 in the NFL at RB and TE.  The lack of production at these two position groups is alarming.  Against the defense the Chiefs played our RB's & TE's needed to be a lot more productive.  The RB's had 15 caries for 42 yards.  The TE's caught one pass. 

 

We have to fix this.

[Rebel101]

2 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

 

Go to bed. 

 

Diggs has been phenominal for this team. Allen has benefited off of it, and Diggs has taken advantage of many of his throws. Stop selling into the media narrative. By many accounts, Diggs is a hard worker and good teammate. This was one game, one play. 

No it wasn’t one play, it was one game. I love Diggs. I think he is great for this offense. His energy is great. But I think something is going on in the locker room. Or Josh Allen is feeling the pressure. But there is something you can see it. And Diggs just didn’t seem himself tonight. 

[WideNine]

2 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Mahomes didn't need any deep balls.  Tannehill coud have rolled out for a first down every single play last week.  EVERY SINGLE PLAY. 

 

I know, contain on the edges and having that guy who can quickly come up on the QB just seems to be lacking this year. You are right about Tannehill he was high-stepping into the end zone and that irked me.

The thing that just had me blowing my top is when Mahomes got to the sideline and stopped and spun in a circle with a crowd of Bills defenders around him and no one put a hit on him. In fact he picked up almost 5 yards after that little dance. 

My theory is that they got "the business" from their coach on the sideline after that for their lack of follow-through which probably directly led to our players tossing guys into the benches after they went out of bounds on the next KC drive.

 

Queue the circus music.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

I'm amazed that in 6 days you can look at this team and not name a single area that hasn't become a concern. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Roundybout]

 

 

This gets caught, what are we saying about the game?

 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

1 minute ago, Rebel101 said:

No it wasn’t one play, it was one game. I love Diggs. I think he is great for this offense. His energy is great. But I think something is going on in the locker room. Or Josh Allen is feeling the pressure. But there is something you can see it. And Diggs just didn’t seem himself tonight. 

 

Nothing personal here, but I never got this perspective from anyone, national media, average Joe, etc:

 

Why is is that if they played bad or below expectation, something is off? Or a locker room issue? 

 

Maybe they just got their ass beat, or our schemed or out played? Sometime it is as simple as that. This is not a Bill O-Brien or Adam Gase led team. They aren't at eachothers throats.They were just handed the L, and to me, thats all it was. 

 

On to the next one!

[PromoTheRobot]

36 minutes ago, daz28 said:

It's not ideal that being a prolific passing offense is our identity, but it SHOULD be that until we get other ducks in order.  If the D sucks, we have to gamble on plays, and hope we get lucky. 

 

Huh? After fretting so much about 300 yard passing games? 

[TheFunPolice]

It's not coaching...

 

The defensive front 7 lacks talent. They are small and soft.

 

Hughes does a spin and gets blocked out of the way every play. Oliver is invisible. I have no idea who the other DL even are and other than watching them drop like bowling pins I couldn't tell you anything about them. 

 

Secondary players are finesse guys who make big plays when the DL rushes the QB. Can't blame them when the front 7 could all out blitz and somehow not get pressure.

Edited October 20, 2020 by TheFunPolice

[CBennett]

This team simply is just NOT VERY GOOD..16 one week 17 the next and Vs very MEDIOCRE at best D's to boot

 

Edited October 20, 2020 by CBennett

[par73]

4 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

It's not coaching...

 

The defensive front 7 lacks talent. They are small and soft.

 

Hughes does a spin and gets blocked out of the way every play. Oliver is invisible. I have no idea who the other DL even are and other than watching them drop like bowling pins I couldn't tell you anything about them. 

They could be missing Star, J. Phillips--- and even Shaq.

[Rebel101]

5 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

 

Nothing personal here, but I never got this perspective from anyone, national media, average Joe, etc:

 

Why is is that if they played bad or below expectation, something is off? Or a locker room issue? 

 

Maybe they just got their ass beat, or our schemed or out played? Sometime it is as simple as that. This is not a Bill O-Brien or Adam Gase led team. They aren't at eachothers throats.They were just handed the L, and to me, thats all it was. 

 

On to the next one!

Just my personal opinion. They are a completely different team. The vibe the energy all of it. And Diggs was off tonight. And Allen has clearly been off his last week. The D has been off all season. I read a report awhile ago how the corona has caused the Pegulas to bring the morale down and that was at the beginning of the pandemic. So I don’t know what it is. But something ***** with peoples heads.  More so in the last 2 weeks. 

[WideNine]

3 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

It's not coaching...

 

The defensive front 7 lacks talent. They are small and soft.

 

Hughes does a spin and gets blocked out of the way every play. Oliver is invisible. I have no idea who the other DL even are and other than watching them drop like bowling pins I couldn't tell you anything about them. 

 

I actually thought Zimmer brought a bit of missing attitude to the group. I will give him props for hustle too. Saw him chasing a shallow drag route 15 yards down field from his DT position.

 

We will see if some guys earned more playing time and if others are going to have to think while riding the pine. McD always said he would play the best players, there are times you just have to look at those guys who may have been drafted high, or paid as free agents and ask yourself if they are earning their spot. If not, let some guy on the scout team who is hungry take some starting snaps.

 

 

 

[coloradobillsfan]

32 minutes ago, vincec said:

What's the difference between home and away with no fans? They're pretty much all neutral site games.

 

I actually think the train horn motivates the opposing offense more than anyone

[CincyBillsFan]

Four observations:

 

1)  Defenses have figured out that to beat Buffalo's offense you need to take away the aggressive throws downfield to the WR's.  The last two weeks they've gotten away with taking away our offensive strength because the Bills RB's and TE's are not dangerous enough to make you pay the price for keeping your safeties way back in coverage. 

 

2)  I don't think it's so much that Allen has regressed as the O-line has regressed.  They can't run block and Allen took a beating tonight.  I think I saw one clean pocket the whole night  And the negative yardage on run plays is inexcusable.  A turning point in this game was when we came out of the two minute warning in the first half and had a 2nd & 3 at the Chiefs 45 yard line we lost 6 yards on a run!  This put us in 3rd & 9 and we have way to many 3rd and longs.

 

3)  The next two weeks will tell us whether the ship will be righted or we're passengers on the Titanic.  Win these games and they are very winnable and we go to 6 - 2 and give NE at least 4 loses at the half way point.  It would also put us in a commanding lead in the East.

 

4)  We've lost back to back games to two teams that are a combined 10 - 1.  Now is not the time to panic.  If we lose the next 2 games then we can run down the street screaming the sky is falling.

 

 

 

 

[Heathcliff]

Have we returned to the time when our punter was our best player? 😱

[Boxcar]

It was nice that Allen was able to drive down the field for a TD in like 2 minutes, but where was that all game?!

 

I hate this game for many reasons. Joe Buck and Troy Aikman going on and on about Mahomes and the Chiefs like they are the second coming. Terry Bradshaw calling Allen inaccurate, and there's nothing to be done about it.

 

It would have sucked if we lost but if it looked competitive, I'd have taken it. This game gave life to the Allen haters, and basically made a joke out of the only thing the Bills defense has been doing ok all year in stopping the run. 7 yards a carry? Yikes. Mahomes didn't even really light it up, and pretty much every throw he did make was easy because the Bills apparently don't know how to cover receivers.

 

I hate life and football right now.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Protocal69]

37 minutes ago, 416BillsFan said:

Someone like Jordan Phillips sure could help us out.

Remember he couldn’t stop the run SMH

[Rebel101]

13 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

 

Nothing personal here, but I never got this perspective from anyone, national media, average Joe, etc:

 

Why is is that if they played bad or below expectation, something is off? Or a locker room issue? 

 

Maybe they just got their ass beat, or our schemed or out played? Sometime it is as simple as that. This is not a Bill O-Brien or Adam Gase led team. They aren't at eachothers throats.They were just handed the L, and to me, thats all it was. 

 

On to the next one!

I honestly think it has to do with the Pegulas more then anything. Read a good while ago about their money troubles. Then they cut the sabres and a bunch of people said it was hemorrhaging money. In the article awhile ago it said the Pegulas were using the profit from the Bills to pay for the sabres and their Fracking business wasn’t cutting it. They had just bought a custom yacht and wouldn’t change the life they were accustom to and had a whole meeting with the Bills staff how the life she’s accustom to was more important then anything and it had the entire upper management in the Bills with a low morale so who knows WTF is going on

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, vincec said:

They were playing him at 3t tonight. He gets crushed.

 

Zimmer and Butler were getting tossed around all game too.  Just a total lack of push.  

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

They need Spain back. Winters is atrocious. 

 

And they need Feliciano back to.

 

There's nothing that will magically make our RB's more dangerous other then get those two big guards back.  And even then neither RB appears to be a dominating player.  Where we might be able to improve on O is if Knox can finally step it up.  Knox is the only TE on this roster with the potential to dominate a game if teams decide to play a shell defensive concept against the Bills.  He needs to get healthy and they need to game plan around him.

 

 

 

 

[Olliemets]

Besides the talent issues at RBI’s, TE and D front 7, I’m getting that sinking feeling that McD is the kind of coach who can change a culture and improve a bad team to a point, but once there he is just overmatched. Like he’s reached his level and that’s all youre gonna get. The Beleceks and Andy Reid’s of the world just toy with him. I hope he can summon something in these guys and make the adjustments needed with the talent here to compete these next 10 games. We’ve got 3 NFC West teams, New England twice, Pittsburgh on the schedule. Gonna have trouble beating the Dolphins at home playing like this. I have my doubts he can do it.

[wvbillsfan]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Wondering why we saw A.J. play so many snaps. Makes sense. That can also correlate to the game plan we saw. 

[Justin C]

5 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

I honestly think it has to do with the Pegulas more then anything. Read a good while ago about their money troubles. Then they cut the sabres and a bunch of people said it was hemorrhaging money. In the article awhile ago it said the Pegulas were using the profit from the Bills to pay for the sabres and their Fracking business wasn’t cutting it. They had just bought a custom yacht and wouldn’t change the life they were accustom to and had a whole meeting with the Bills staff how the life she’s accustom to was more important then anything and it had the entire upper management in the Bills with a low morale so who knows WTF is going on

 

That was all during the summer and since then the Sabres signed Taylor Hall in free agency. 

 

Also explain the 4-0 start when this wasn't bothering them and now all of the sudden they lose two and this is why the morale is down when that story came out back in what, July or August? Stop digging the hole deeper for yourself.

[K-9]

And then reality set in. Let’s face it, we are a few players away from being able to run with the big dogs. Expectations have been reset. Given what we’ve seen from this defense to date, I no longer think we have what it takes to win the division and we will be hard pressed to win a wild card spot as well. Unfortunately, the problems on defense aren’t fixable schematically because scheme doesn’t matter when you can’t avoid getting your ass handed to you on a play to play basis.
 

If good Josh doesn’t show up, we have no chance on offense, either. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

This team needs to bring in 2 LBs this week. Edmunds is terrible and now Dodson is hurt.

[Bangarang]

Josh played like crap and was inaccurate most of the night. 
 

Our RBs are slow and struggle to find running lanes.

 

Our defense would’ve let me run for over 100 if I was in the game.

 

If anything, the last few weeks have forced us to pump the breaks on handing Allen the MVP award and planning time off for the SB parade. 

[Zerovoltz]

Wow....you guys are really taking this loss bad.

 

The Bills aren't a juggernaut of a team...but you guys are good!  you lost to a KC team, that brought damn near the entire roster back from a super bowl winner.  You might have not have noticed, but you lost to a good football team, and you were in it to the end.

 

The weather certainly played a part in this game as well.  

 

there are at least 25 NFL teams that would trade their QB for Josh Allen right now.....you have your QB....he isn't perfect (who is?...did you see Aaron Rodgers this week?)  

 

This game helps tell you that you aren't quite there just yet...that's ok..you've been heading in the right direction for 3 years now.  

 

 

Edited October 20, 2020 by Zerovoltz
grammar

[Bronxbomber21]

Time to sign Snacks of the Seahawks ps

[ColoradoBills]

Just now, Zerovoltz said:

Wow....you guys are really taking this loss bad.

 

The Bills aren't a juggernaut of a team...but you guys are good!  you lost to a KC team, that brought damn near the entire roster back from a super bowl winner.  You have not have noticed, but you lost to a good football team, and you were in it to the end.

 

The weather certainly played a part in this game as well.  

 

there are at least 25 NFL teams that would trade their QB for Josh Allen right now.....you have your QB....he isn't perfect (who is?...did you see Aaron Rodgers this week?)  

 

This game helps tell you that you aren't quite there just yet...that's ok..you've been heading in the right direction for 3 years now.  

 

 

 

Not everyone.  

It is a gut check time for the team.  They have t bounce back with a Jets/Patriots wins.

[Billschinatown]

2 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

Wow....you guys are really taking this loss bad.

 

The Bills aren't a juggernaut of a team...but you guys are good!  you lost to a KC team, that brought damn near the entire roster back from a super bowl winner.  You might have not have noticed, but you lost to a good football team, and you were in it to the end.

 

The weather certainly played a part in this game as well.  

 

there are at least 25 NFL teams that would trade their QB for Josh Allen right now.....you have your QB....he isn't perfect (who is?...did you see Aaron Rodgers this week?)  

 

This game helps tell you that you aren't quite there just yet...that's ok..you've been heading in the right direction for 3 years now.  

 

 

Good Game. Everyone is on tilt because we’ve seen this before. Losing to the jets will be confirmation.

[Warcodered]

7 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

Wow....you guys are really taking this loss bad.

 

The Bills aren't a juggernaut of a team...but you guys are good!  you lost to a KC team, that brought damn near the entire roster back from a super bowl winner.  You might have not have noticed, but you lost to a good football team, and you were in it to the end.

 

The weather certainly played a part in this game as well.  

 

there are at least 25 NFL teams that would trade their QB for Josh Allen right now.....you have your QB....he isn't perfect (who is?...did you see Aaron Rodgers this week?)  

 

This game helps tell you that you aren't quite there just yet...that's ok..you've been heading in the right direction for 3 years now.  

 

 

shush now we live in darkness.

Edited October 20, 2020 by Warcodered

[Roundybout]

8 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

Wow....you guys are really taking this loss bad.

 

The Bills aren't a juggernaut of a team...but you guys are good!  you lost to a KC team, that brought damn near the entire roster back from a super bowl winner.  You might have not have noticed, but you lost to a good football team, and you were in it to the end.

 

The weather certainly played a part in this game as well.  

 

there are at least 25 NFL teams that would trade their QB for Josh Allen right now.....you have your QB....he isn't perfect (who is?...did you see Aaron Rodgers this week?)  

 

This game helps tell you that you aren't quite there just yet...that's ok..you've been heading in the right direction for 3 years now.  

 

 

 

Most Bills fans are snakebitten and pessimistic all the time. It's in our blood. 

[GoBills808]

please do not feed the troll

[TheElectricCompany]

Thank goodness we get the J-E-T-S next week, we need a "get right" game bad! 

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm not saying the defense played well. But no one is beating the Chiefs with defense. I thought our defensive game plan was exactly right. You do NOT blitz Mahomes. I am shocked to see some people on here saying we didn't blitz enough. You rush 4 and give up run yardage. Keep them away from big plays and out of the endzone and your offense just has to put up points, it's that simple. Derek Carr throwing to Zay Jones and Nelson Aghalor and a rookie WR was able to do it. Allen and this offense has to be able to do it. I've already accepted the defense is going to be average at best this year. The offense has the talent to pick them up. Choke job tonight.

 

I agree on not blitzing, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn’t be able to stop the run.  The D has been abysmal all year.  And I agree, the offense was terrible. Allen has failed twice in back to back big games.  Franchise WB’s don't do that, IMO. 

19 minutes ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

Time to sign Snacks of the Seahawks ps

 

he is on a Ps???   inexcusable not to sign him.  

9 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

Thank goodness we get the J-E-T-S next week, we need a "get right" game bad! 

 

I thought that also, but I don’t see how beating a glorified college team helps you get right.  false confidence perhaps.  

12 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Most Bills fans are snakebitten and pessimistic all the time. It's in our blood. 

 

we haven’t had a great team in a long time, it’s warranted.  

[SirAndrew]

20 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

Wow....you guys are really taking this loss bad.

 

The Bills aren't a juggernaut of a team...but you guys are good!  you lost to a KC team, that brought damn near the entire roster back from a super bowl winner.  You might have not have noticed, but you lost to a good football team, and you were in it to the end.

 

The weather certainly played a part in this game as well.  

 

there are at least 25 NFL teams that would trade their QB for Josh Allen right now.....you have your QB....he isn't perfect (who is?...did you see Aaron Rodgers this week?)  

 

This game helps tell you that you aren't quite there just yet...that's ok..you've been heading in the right direction for 3 years now.  

 

 

Sound advice to Bills fans. I’m just slightly disappointed that Daboll came out with one of his trademark irrational game plans, the D is still terrible, and Allen looked bad. If our D looked good or Mahomes beat Allen in a shootout, I’d feel much better. There were a few troubling signs that point to us being more of a pretender than a contender. After week four I saw this team as possible contenders.